That's non sense. You hoped, not you predicted.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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That's non sense. You hoped, not you predicted.
Exactly, the club has set the bar at qualification for CL, that wont be decided until end of the season, so why do fans keep going on about sacking Mourinho now?
The problems at United go well beyond the current manager, the Board needs to be overhauled, the scouts, the coaching staff, the lot, a 'root and branch' approach, but nothing will happen (if it does at all) until end of the season.
To those of you still backing Jose, if we were to wind back to the start of the season, except Jose and Klopp had swapped jobs, who would you be backing to finish higher in the league come the end of the season? Let's assume they both had a full pre-season to work with the squads too. Now the same question with Pep and Poch. I personally think Klopp and Pep are both overachieving with their respective squads (despite the talent at Pep's disposal)whereas Jose is underachieving.
Walker-Stones-Otamendi-Delph won the league easily
Didn't only finish top 4 broke all records in the league
TAA-Gomez-VVD-Robertson are solidly top 4 (If anyone had suggested that Mou uses a defence of TAA, Gomez and Robertson)
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Walker and Robertson are the best RB and LB's in the league ffs.
VVD is the best centre half. Stones is an England regular, Smalling doesn't even get in the squad. Otamendi was a sought after defender.
You're talking shite basically.
Stop engaging that troll
Whew, this means you've finally run of those retarded excuses
Disgusting word to use.
A backline composed of Fuchs - Huth - Morgan - Simpson also ran away with the league...
That point to defend the supposed 'defensive genius' of a manager's failings with vastly more funds is absolute dross and doesn't hold any weight
I think he's just a troll from one of our rival teams don't bother.
Of course he is and it’s a joke that the mods aren’t doing anything about it.
Klopp got a similarly average keeper, defence and midfield to a CL final. Why? Because of his coaching methods.
We have a defence on par with all the top teams yet only the relegation teams allow more shots on their goal.
Enough of the excuses.
Mourinho got that defence to win in Turin, come 2nd last year, beat City last year etc etc.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/nicolas-otamendi-2016-17.424212/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/john-stones-done-deal.417852/page-19
Reactions were mixed at best and people thought they are overrated.
Guy's it's rather obvious @CA1 is a WUM, why do you even bother…
One thing that Stones benefits from is the system suits his style - I'm not sure for instance, that he would have been great playing for united on sunday against us
The other is that as the media have commented on many times recently, we are a well drilled machine. You don't need to be a football expert to see the players have practiced the same thing over, over and over again. As with many things in life, when you look at those who are at the top of their game trying to figure out why, sometimes you overlook the basics which aren't rocket science - motivation, hard work, practice, organisation.......that's often what is behind the 'lesser' teams that can sometimes give city a problem to overcome
Why do people keep acting like Mourinho has no part in squad building and team selection?
So why are we 8th in league with negative GD and same defence?
Is “etc etc” short for “...concede more goals than 14 other PL teams so far this season”?
You cannot ever dissuade die hard Mou supporters. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
I think most people thought Jose would clear out most of the regulars that featured under LVG and Moyes but the only good thing he seemed to do in this regard was offload Rooney. Darmian, Young, Valencia, Fellaini, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Mata among a few otherse are still, I won’t say stinking up the place for all of them, but clearly needed upgrading. Why Mouringo hasn’t shown his ruthless streak here is indeed baffling.
Of course he does carry a lot of responsibility for that - and for letting the likes of Liverpool overtake us, as they have. But there are a lot of posts here who seem to think a new manager would immediately be able to get more from the players. Maybe, but I am not convinced. The current squad is about 4th/5th/6th in the league, regardless of coaching. The result and nature of the performance against City was not at all surprising to me. We have bought badly - Mourinho's fault, Woodward's fault, whatever. I just can't see some magic solution in sacking the manager.
For what it's worth, I have never liked Mourinho and never wanted him here. But I am not so sure getting rid of him would help us at the moment.
Agree with this. Mou has got to go but this club’s owners have to decide what club they want United to be. The level of investment, management restructuring (if any) during this off season will give a clear indication of that. Everyone one admits this club is in drastic need of some hard soul searching. The fact that we are reportedly going to offer Ashley Young another year + another one year option speaks volumes about our recruitment and the talent pool in our reserve teams.
I don’t think the two current schools of thought: “we are United and we should expect no less than 1st”, and “let’s be realistic here we are rebuilding” are mutually exclusive. We just need to admit we are miles behind the European elite and we need to spend and have a coherency that has been sorely lacking since SAF retired. what should be clear to the owners is that Ed needs some help and that Mou is definitely not a long term solution.
Myself personally, I am resigned to the fact that this will be a horrific season. 12 games in we are 7 PST behind 4th. It will be a hard fight to get back into the CL. I want Mou to go now but am pragmatic enough to understand that he stays for the remainder of the season because there are no viable candidates out there.
Ridiculous. Of course he would. Miracle-worker, that guy. Would have played proper football too. Loved a cross.
Probably would have given Angel a chance too.
Moot point. He'll never come to United.
Aye, Jose really has allowed us to lower our standards
You should also point out that:
- Walker was deemed way too overrated and we dodged that bullet.
- Stones was hailed as the next Phil Jones due to his brainfarts
- Otamendi was mocked for his brainfarts
- Delph no comment really.
Quite incredible he spends 50 million on Fred and doesn't use him. Why didn't he spend that on the CB he so desperately craves?
Because clearly fred wasn't a necessity to him.
Because clearly fred wasn't a necessity to him.
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with most of what you say. Our squad is worse than a lot of people think. I actually believe Mourinho when he says getting them to 2nd last season was quite an achievement.
I still want rid of him, though. Partly because he’s spent an absolute shit load building this mediocre squad (so who’s to say he won’t just throw good money after bad?) but mainly because - like you - I’ve never liked the bloke.
I’m getting used to supporting a team that is miles off the title-winning pace but supporting a manager who is such an obvious thundercnut and who has such a cynical/conservative/negative idea about how to win football matches is something I can only put up with for so long. And I reckon two and half years is about long enough.
I’d be more than happy to remain off the pace for a while longer if I could cling on to some hope of better things to come. I just can’t see any reasons to be hopeful with Mourinho still in charge. No matter how hard I try.
It feels like we've been here so many times with this in bold. I think we need the change in manager, but our squad not being good enough has been a recurring theme stretching back to our last title win. It seems that for every manager we sack, the next one inherits this monumental job of yet another rebuild, and it seems to be swinging that way again. Wish we could for give the next manager at least a fighting chance for all of the other problems in our club too. At least give him a team he can work with. This is precisely why I don't want us to rush things, I'm all for letting Jose do his clear out as long as it's the actual dross and bring in another quality player or two for a smooth transition. Another manager comes in and the likes of Fellaini get another fecking chance.
There's obvious elements of our squad that need upgrading, the fact our defence and right wing positions have been allowed to stagnate for years and years is beyond baffling, and I'm not sure how's happened. Especially the right wing, which really hasn't had any meaningful investments since when? Fergie was around?
You're a massive troll
People want Jose out because they want to enjoy football again.
Some still back him because of his CV in hope he'll win us a major title regardless of the football at display.
Guess who are the glory hunters?
Jose isn't the right fit for this club. Take a long hard look at his tenure here. We're going nowhere.
Some still back him because of his CV in hope he'll win us a major title regardless of the football at display.
Guess who are the glory hunters?
Jose isn't the right fit for this club. Take a long hard look at his tenure here. We're going nowhere.
For sure. Although you can’t ignore the fact that whenever a new manager improves a club you always get a few players that nobody rates turning out to be much better than people thought. Xhaka under Emery at Arsenal being one recent example. The one and only player at United under Mourinho this might apply to is Lingard. You’d have to hope that there are managers out there who can do a better job than Mourinho at improving us by developing players already at the club, seeing as that’s always been one of his flaws a manager.
Controversial opinion:
We have a genuine Top Red in our midst.
Or an oppo fan on the wind-up.
I dunno how much I buy all the talk of how bringing in another manager is bad for rebuilding etc. It's not necessarily helpful as such, but other clubs do it all the time and cope fine. The Spurs side in 15-16 had vastly improved on the one Pochettino inherited. Klopp's Liverpool side last season and even the year before were better than the one he took over. Conte took Chelsea from 10th to 1st. Ultimately it's the job of a modern football manager to deliver fairly instant results to a certain extent.
Problem is, it’s Mourinho whos playing Fellaini and was desperate for him not to leave last summer. So he’s the last person I’d let plan our clear out.
Mourinho failed here. Forget developing players already at the club not even his own signings have shown improvement or produced what was expected.
This is 10 years in the making, it started with the defeat at Barcelona May 2009, we sell Ronaldo and don’t invest the money, then we go three summers under investment, then we have the trilogy of terror of relic managers that belong in a library never to be opened again, because they belong in the past. If city win the CL in may 2019, that will nail peps 10 year journey, and our 10 year journey
He can have has much money has he wants, the players he wants are either tall, or in the ages 28 to 31, meaning no real long term vision meaning the coaching methods are pointless because he does not seem to do it when we cannot dominate or hold onto the ball. He’s still going to turn to matic, fellaini, young, lukaku, smalling, Jones if needs be, he’s not what they say in politics drained the swamp but he never even attempted at it beyond Rooney.
This team finished bottom of the league with most ground covered, minus goal difference and if we go in the course we on in the defensive part, calculate how many goals we could let in when 38 games is up. These three managers along with an inept board have set this club back 10 years on a huge amount of reasons. When a manager has had 3 years and he still turns to matic, young, fellaini, lukaku, Jones, Valencia, even being a squad player, while trying to bully the better players with no identity other than Rocky 1 and 2 kind of tactics, get your face beaten to death and hope the other side gets tired, and what we see does not surprise me when our tactics are anything but dominate football teams
He can have has much money has he wants, the players he wants are either tall, or in the ages 28 to 31, meaning no real long term vision meaning the coaching methods are pointless because he does not seem to do it when we cannot dominate or hold onto the ball. He’s still going to turn to matic, fellaini, young, lukaku, smalling, Jones if needs be, he’s not what they say in politics drained the swamp but he never even attempted at it beyond Rooney.
This team finished bottom of the league with most ground covered, minus goal difference and if we go in the course we on in the defensive part, calculate how many goals we could let in when 38 games is up. These three managers along with an inept board have set this club back 10 years on a huge amount of reasons. When a manager has had 3 years and he still turns to matic, young, fellaini, lukaku, Jones, Valencia, even being a squad player, while trying to bully the better players with no identity other than Rocky 1 and 2 kind of tactics, get your face beaten to death and hope the other side gets tired, and what we see does not surprise me when our tactics are anything but dominate football teams
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