I thought he was the right one after LVG and his first two seasons were good but now it has imploded. He needs to go. His football has always been dire but so long he was winning it was accepted. Now we have trouble against any team we play. Even Newcastle at home. They were the bottom of the PL and we barely managed to beat them at home. And we even conceded two goals.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Luring him away from Spurs at this point will be a difficult task indeed - especially with Real sniffing around him - but not impossible. I think Ed would gladly buy out Poch's contract given that he is one of the top young managers in the game at this time.
Are you being serious? It was nothing to do with Trippier ffs, Toby failed to control the ball and then he failed to notice Lozano sneaking up on him, then he failed to make a pass to Lloris...it's rather comical you're trying to blame it on Trippier. Comical tho not surprising, agenda and all that.
Well in order to do something with the ball you gotta have the ball, and in order to do something more times, you gotta have the ball more and so on and on…then of course you gotta show some intent to attract as well. Having a proper plan that doesn't rely on players getting lucky with picking up hoofballs picked by our big target man is not much of a plan...nor is death by 1000 crosses...both of which are our regular and pretty much only options under Mourinho.
That's false.
The process is the manager gives a list to Ed Woodward and Woodward goes for who's on the list. He gets the one that is easiest to negotiate for. Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho have all described the process. They've all said every summer that it is in the hands of Ed Woodward.
It probably has something to do with our manager inexplicably dropping him and later shipping him off to the RW, despite Martial being arguably our best player up to that moment, racking up 3/6 POTM awards in the process iirc.
Also Mourinho sticking with Sanchez up until recently, even tho he was shockingly awful.
I fully expect you to try and deny that "awful" part since you actually made a claim Sanchez has improved us in one of your previous posts.
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Of course Woodward is the one who decides if the players are available, if they agree to what is being offered and the terms of the contract. No Manager not even SAF decided on the terms of the contract. It was the Gill who did it before. But the manager is the one who chooses the players he want. No club is going to give the Manager a blank cheque. Not after the club bought 8 players for Jose and most of them have failed and he is not even playing two of them at all.
So it is the manager who chooses the players then?
They're on the list but there's no chance half of the ones we have bought have been Mourinho's first choice.
Woodward has more say than people realise.
When you resort to arguments this bad, it’s time to give up mate.
Which players are not Mourinho choices?
I would say only Ibra was Mourinho's first chance.
Wait so mourinho chooses his first second and third choice players and Woodward tries to buy them? Sometimes buying first choice, sometimes buying second choice and sometimes buying third choice?
Wow imagine so mourinho chooses the players and Woodward tries to buy them.
But just to make one thing clear mourinho writes the list right? Woodward doesn't send him a magic pen that writes names by itself.
Just making sure you are confirming Jose chooses the names on the list?
Erm, no he doesn't.
Jose identifies and prioritizes the targets and Ed pursues them. What extra power do you think he has?
So wait, now it's gotta be his first choice players if we're not to lose vs. Brighton, WHU, Darby etc?
Or the fact that they were his choice (first, 2nd, 3rd) matters?
Everything I'm saying now, I said the summer of 2013. Over 5 years later and I've had no reason to change my opinion.
We'll see who's right when the next manager is appointed. Or the one after that.
Woodward and The Glazers are the biggest problem at our football club by a long, long way. I said it when Moyes was here and I'm saying it now. Remember this in 5 more years.
We'll see who's right when the next manager is appointed. Or the one after that.
Woodward and The Glazers are the biggest problem at our football club by a long, long way. I said it when Moyes was here and I'm saying it now. Remember this in 5 more years.
Yep you read it right, now Woodward is getting blame for doing what his manager asks from him.
Ed Woodward is the clubs CEO, his chief responsibilities consist of the firing and hiring of staff, negotiating contracts, securing sponsorship agreements and the general day-to-day running of the club.
He has absolutely no power with regards to the identification of potential transfer targets. Whoever told you that was lying
Securing them, yes, identifying them, no.
He said his briefing if they could have signed Raphael Varane for 100m he would have done. He has a massive say in transfers. As Gary Neville said, Ed Woodward is playing football manager with our football club.
Matic too probably.
Anyways, I think the larger point is if Jose is giving player 1, 2 and 3, it is expected that even the player at no 3 is of the quality needed to implement his vision or plan. If he is giving only one excellent player on the list and 2 average players, and ask Woodward to get him one of those, then it is not completely Woodward's fault, if he gets average player
That despite me ready to accept that the only player negotiation skill, Woodward has, is to throw money and hope they accept.
Gospel by Neville also says we should have kept Moyes...so there's that.
With Jose's approval and the required funds to do so, I'm sure Ed would have recruited Varane, Messi and Neymar to boot, but that's just fairytale stuff.
United are not City, there is a limit to what the club can spend in the transfer market.
Woodward is to be blamed for many of the things at the club, but identifying targets is not one of them.
Damn!
Gary Neville knows more about this club than you will ever dream of knowing.
No disrespect to you, but if you were a paying supporter you would feel very differently.
Everyone close to the scene here in Manchester despises Woodward with a passion. His wife has stopped going because she can't abide the abuse. That's why Evra now babysits him.
That's fine but why does Jose have to stay in your opinion?
Poor Jose being the only manager that doesn't get every player he wants. Imagine Klopp he can't even get mourinhos 3rd choices due to lack of money I have no idea how he even wins matches.
He doesnt. If the board weren't and aren't going to back him he should have been gone before a ball has been kicked.
This thread is getting ridiculous.
All the players we signed are mourinho choices. Whether first, second or third. They're all his choices. If Ed chooses he would only choose from the list he was given by manager not somewhere else.
Think the point of my comment flew over your head. Respect for Mr. Neville but not everything he says is to be regarded as absolute truth.
He actually said it himself, Moyes should have been given more time.
Back pass was made by Sanchez (not Trippier). Lozano was already sanding between Sanchez and Davies, baiting the pass. Sanchez could have either made the cross field pass to Davies or easier pass to the GK. By the time Toby got the ball, Lozano was already on top of him. Yes some other CBs could have retained the ball, but Toby shouldnt have been put in such a situation that he was ill suited to handle. But my point was that it only reflects that he is poor on the ball when under pressure, which is not a measure of his defensive ability.
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Mourinho must be a pretty lucky guy if his plan has relied on players being 'lucky'.
I support United since I was around 12 years old and I never missed a game. It would take sole kind of event for me to miss games. I mean our lives are unpredictable and there are times you miss games but never because you didn't want to watch the team. 'm now 36 and I struggle to catch games, even the big ones. I'm more happy and content to watch highlights. This is how much the decline of this once great club has sucked out of me. The enthusiasm and excitement to see us take the fight to teams home or away has died.
It's now become some sort of a chore to watch us play even though I live and breathe United.
It's not Mourinhos fault. I dont blame Moyes and I certainly dont blame Van Gaal. These guys are put there by someone high up in the club. That someone needs to be replaced or have that duty taken away from him.
We need a visionary and If its going to take 2 more seasons to get personnel in place that can move the club forward then so be it but we have to start building something sustainable. Quick fixe managers will always move you back to square one.
It's now become some sort of a chore to watch us play even though I live and breathe United.
It's not Mourinhos fault. I dont blame Moyes and I certainly dont blame Van Gaal. These guys are put there by someone high up in the club. That someone needs to be replaced or have that duty taken away from him.
We need a visionary and If its going to take 2 more seasons to get personnel in place that can move the club forward then so be it but we have to start building something sustainable. Quick fixe managers will always move you back to square one.
Wonder who he looked up on the roller dex before making that fateful call to Bailly to say he wanted him at United when our scouts supposedly didn’t know that much about him and him being a Jose signing.
His reasoning at the time was similar to mine now. The board are at fault. He's been consistent in this, as have I.
I wanted Moyes gone because I didn't rate him from his past history. I would have never appointed someone with that track record so I will say I disagree with Neville that Moyes should have stayed.
I'll say this for the last time Van Gaal and Mourinho are very, very successful football managers. You will get your wish next season, there will be a new coach. Promise me one thing, if the next one fails, you will open your mind. We need supporters across the world to be aware. You make as much difference as those close by, don't under estimate your importance. Make considerations about the football club in 30-40 years time, not just next season etc.
Dude this is honestly getting ridiculous. Firstly you've mentioned Trippier and 2ndly it's rather obvious it was on Toby lol I mean why are you even arguing this…
You're a gift that keeps on giving. And again you've missed my point. Just because Neville says so, it not guaranteed to b so.
So are Capello, Del Bosque, Lippi etc should we be going for them next since they are very successful manager's? I mean what could possibly go wrong hiring manager's whose footballing style is kinda obsolete now.
It's an opinion that Neville has and I share it. You are aware your opinion isnt gospel either?
Van Gaal and Mourinho's styles only became obsolete when they had to manage us.
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