Yes, we are a fecking disgrace to the sport of football.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Yes, we are a fecking disgrace to the sport of football.
When was the last time we had a 5-0/1 in a competitive game? It's also why I put a massive chunk of the blame on the players. No matter what way you are coached an attacking player being paid millions should be semi competent on the pitch. None of our players are.
I still support Mourinho but its time to part in the summer. A new attack minded coach must be found with the emphasis on getting rid of Smalling/Jones/Valencia/Young/Lingard. These players have utterly failed us. Matic also needs to be moved on, pray De Gea stays and start from there.
Smalling played similar to what he does now, mostly solid with some exceptions. We struggled awfully under LvG defending with a lot of space behind us and still do. Lingard was similar as well, for periods under Mourinho he's been good just as he was good for periods under LvG. Other periods, not so much.
Rashford was phenomenal when he broke into the team, with something like a 60%+ conversion rate. I don't think anyone believed he'd keep that up.
Martial was better, at least the first half on that season. Had many quiet games under LvG as well.
But you'd expect Rashford and Martial to improve over time though. 3 years on, so they should be better than they were not similar/worse.
Midtjylland I think, in LvG's last season.
Gotta love caf, finding new avenues to beat up the same topic over and over again. What's next, how many times our player farted on field when compared to others? Sigh...
Yes, but I would rather it wasn't the more the merrier.Isn't that what he has done already anyway?
I remember seeing a stat saying since the last time Utd scored 5 in a game, City have scored more than 5 28 times ( 30 if you include those two 6s)
Good chance it's not true though but if it is.. that's bonkers.
Good chance it's not true though but if it is.. that's bonkers.
Should we close every thread then and sit around twiddling our thumbs?
Jose Mourinho is a big talking point right now and will continue to be unless something drastic changes I.e. we actually get consistency in both our performances and results OR we sack him.
Until either of those happen, we’ll discuss whether he’s the right man for the job.
Rashford has regressed under Jose, no doubt about it.
He looked completely and utterly lost against City, which has been the case for the majority of the games he has played under Jose. He seems incapable of influencing the game, be that positively or negatively. Just plain ineffective.
Rashford is far better than what he is showing us right now and under the guidance of a more progressive, forward-thinking manager, he will prove it.
It was 21 if I recall correctly.
I agree. Rashford is clearly a gifted player. He’s being hampered by a defensive minded coach.
I honestly do think that Woodward and the owners have already decided to get rid of Jose behind the scenes but they’re going to wait until the season finishes.
I’ve got a hunch that they will surprise us with a young manager like Pochettino whilst Jose goes to Real or Inter.
Say what you want about Utd but we’re still a behemoth of a football club. If we want Pochettino, we will get him.
It’s down to the owners.
That doesn't make it much better.
In the short term, you can put blame on the players for poor attacking displays. You see it with every team, sometimes the manager sets everything up right, prepares the players in the right way and then they just go out and fluff their lines. The manager can hardly help that. In the long term however, far more responsibility goes on the manager. He's the one organsing their training every day in such a way that it hones their talent. Learning to do one-twos, having a good first touch, learning their team mates runs and playing one or two touch football all the time - these dont come from nowehere, they come as a direct result of how the manager coaches them.
Looking at our team, some of them have been working under Mourinho for two and a half years now. If their passing is regressing and they still don't know how to find each other on the pitch, you have to look at the training they're doing.
let my people go
The discussion has already concluded. Look at the poll results, pretty much 7/10 people want him out. Obsessing over those stupid stats only creates more hate and nothing useful comes of it.
Or he burst onto the scene brilliantly like gazillion other young players and is finding his actual level now.
I believe this was decided before the season had even kicked off. But yeah, he will last the out the season regardless of our fortunes/misfortunes on the pitch.
I'd give it to King Eric, although I'd happily settle for Poch.
If he got before this season end. For me a sooner as better. United shall look at a coach that go for and working for a dominating football, but still have a really good counter attack in team. A la Real Madrid in the past 3 years, Liverpool and Dortmund.
Then the solution is to give Nicky Butt, the coach of United youth team. A interim coach rest of the season. If he is doing really well and United start to dominate football match in premier league really often and consistent. Then United can give him a 3 years contract.
If Nicky Butt is not doing well as interim manager in the rest of the season. The solution is to ask Dortmund to bring Lucien Favre to Old Trafford. With him, he will might bring some of his best players too. Why Favre?I have read he is good to coach and develop young players. Second is the Dortmund quick precise football of Dortmund we are seeing now.
Then head to season 2019/20. United coach will be between Nicky Butt or Lucien Favre
And players i suggest to strength United team and squad is:
Witsel deep laying cm player of Dortmund
De Jong cm of Ajax
Jadon Sancho as right winger for Dortmund
Kalidou Koulibaly as CB for Napoli
De Ligt CB of Ajax
Luka Jovic CF of Frankfurt - a upcoming young striker who is right now really sharp infront of goal. And good and quick enough with the ball too
Then i will set an example of a really strong, quick and ball players XI.
De Gea - Dalot - De Ligt/Koulibaly - Smalling/Koulibaly - Shaw + Sancho/Chong - Witsel - De Jong/Pobga - Martial + Jovic - Rashford
Alternative for 4-4-2, with those players are 4-3-3
De Jong - Witsel - Pogba + Sancho - Jovic/Rashoford - Martial
Sum up of new players:
2 new really good CB, 2 really good new cm players, 1 new right and left winger. And one new really sharp CF/striker/a new nr 9 infront of goal. A left foot center forward. He current level and form right now, is that he is really sharp infront of goal. If you give him space and time infront of goal then you are done. Sharp and clinical finisher.
There you have my whole suggestion of solutions how to strength the coach and players positions on the pitch. A really young, really good and ball players central spine to build the team on.
CB De Ligt - CM De Jong, Witsel and Pogba and CFs in Rashford and Jovic. Add with fast and ball players wingers like Martial and Sancho. Then you will have a dominate ball players football team. They will others team hunt the ball most of the time, not opposite. And they are really really good and fast on counter attack too.
De Jong to compete against City De Bruyne.
Witsel to compete against City Fernandinho
Pogba to compete against City Silva
Sancho to compete against City Mahrez
Jovic/Rashford to compete against City Aguero
Martial to compte against City Sterling/Sane
And as this current form and level. Those 6 players are equal or not far behind from City 6 players i mentioned. Unless Aguero. But Aguero doesnt get any younger. So about few years then Aguero will be on his way down the career. Then im sure you will hear more of the upcoming CF of E.Frankfurt in the future, all from 2-4 years from now. Mark the name. Luka Jovic from Frankfurt and Serbia.
So again, sum up. This is my details of solutions can go for. If Mourinho get sack before the season end. And this will be my first and last recommendation/suggestions. About the managers, players to buy and how to set up a team and starting XI. Free first time, next get pay for it. Many are doing as a job, so with me. That are my goal to. Job that relate to football. Football is my passion, football is my street.....and football is my home.
Then the solution is to give Nicky Butt, the coach of United youth team. A interim coach rest of the season. If he is doing really well and United start to dominate football match in premier league really often and consistent. Then United can give him a 3 years contract.
If Nicky Butt is not doing well as interim manager in the rest of the season. The solution is to ask Dortmund to bring Lucien Favre to Old Trafford. With him, he will might bring some of his best players too. Why Favre?I have read he is good to coach and develop young players. Second is the Dortmund quick precise football of Dortmund we are seeing now.
Then head to season 2019/20. United coach will be between Nicky Butt or Lucien Favre
And players i suggest to strength United team and squad is:
Witsel deep laying cm player of Dortmund
De Jong cm of Ajax
Jadon Sancho as right winger for Dortmund
Kalidou Koulibaly as CB for Napoli
De Ligt CB of Ajax
Luka Jovic CF of Frankfurt - a upcoming young striker who is right now really sharp infront of goal. And good and quick enough with the ball too
Then i will set an example of a really strong, quick and ball players XI.
De Gea - Dalot - De Ligt/Koulibaly - Smalling/Koulibaly - Shaw + Sancho/Chong - Witsel - De Jong/Pobga - Martial + Jovic - Rashford
Alternative for 4-4-2, with those players are 4-3-3
De Jong - Witsel - Pogba + Sancho - Jovic/Rashoford - Martial
Sum up of new players:
2 new really good CB, 2 really good new cm players, 1 new right and left winger. And one new really sharp CF/striker/a new nr 9 infront of goal. A left foot center forward. He current level and form right now, is that he is really sharp infront of goal. If you give him space and time infront of goal then you are done. Sharp and clinical finisher.
There you have my whole suggestion of solutions how to strength the coach and players positions on the pitch. A really young, really good and ball players central spine to build the team on.
CB De Ligt - CM De Jong, Witsel and Pogba and CFs in Rashford and Jovic. Add with fast and ball players wingers like Martial and Sancho. Then you will have a dominate ball players football team. They will others team hunt the ball most of the time, not opposite. And they are really really good and fast on counter attack too.
De Jong to compete against City De Bruyne.
Witsel to compete against City Fernandinho
Pogba to compete against City Silva
Sancho to compete against City Mahrez
Jovic/Rashford to compete against City Aguero
Martial to compte against City Sterling/Sane
And as this current form and level. Those 6 players are equal or not far behind from City 6 players i mentioned. Unless Aguero. But Aguero doesnt get any younger. So about few years then Aguero will be on his way down the career. Then im sure you will hear more of the upcoming CF of E.Frankfurt in the future, all from 2-4 years from now. Mark the name. Luka Jovic from Frankfurt and Serbia.
So again, sum up. This is my details of solutions can go for. If Mourinho get sack before the season end. And this will be my first and last recommendation/suggestions. About the managers, players to buy and how to set up a team and starting XI. Free first time, next get pay for it
. Many are doing as a job, so with me. That are my goal to. Job that relate to football. Football is my passion, football is my street.....and football is my home.That's more of an assumption rather than an opinion based on fact. Admittedly, there is a degree of difficulty in gauging which direction the career of a young player will spiral, but considering not a single member of the first team squad has improved under Jose's leadership bar Luke Shaw (which is debatable), I think it is a far safer bet to suggest that Rashford's career has stalled because his manager has failed to nurture and make use of his obvious talent.
He has regressed is not a fact. You cannot ask him to maintain goal a game ratio he was carrying when he first broke out. He is going though tough times that ever teenager (bar Mbappe) usually go though at that age. He is getting a lot of game time and is trusted in big games and that's all you could hope for at 21. Plenty of times he's found himself in goal scoring positions but fail to convert. This is natural for anyone at that age and he'll become better.
Seriously? Has the season broken you or do you just love seeing us making daft decisions?
Some stats here for Jose:
I agree with you, young players are naturally inconsistent and it's difficult to gauge their ability long-term as a result. But that was not the point I was making.
Jose has failed to sufficiently motivate and get the best out of our squad as a whole and Rashford is clearly a big part of that squad, so surely it would be fairer to suggest that he, just like the rest of his teammates, has stalled in his progression due to being mismanaged. Rather than him simply 'finding his level' as you put it.
At the very least he deserves the chance to shine under a new progressive manager, one that has proven pedigree for nurturing young talents and turning them into world beaters. Mr Pochetino says hi.
I could probably give about 1000 examples of him totally contradicting himself like this.
He's not fit for purpose anymore, end of.
Both options are equally viable.
If Jose was to be sacked tomorrow, I'd love Eric to take over as interim manager for the remainder of the season.
Only Jose can brainwash certain folks into buying that a €400m squad is a plucky underdog trying to punch above it's own weight and that he's doing us all some sort of service serving up a diabolical and inferior brand of footy as it's the best we could possibly expect...
The level of goalpost moving 3 years in is bewildering and absolutely embarrassing
Quite hard to pick a worst of... but these (unfavorable) comparisons with Bournemouth, Newcastle, Huddersfield, Watford, Cardiff; good lord ^^
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City’s (illegally funded) brilliance under Guardiola is providing a very convenient smokescreen for Mourinho. The fact is that United are punching below their weight, irrespective of what is happening across town.
I am really curious about the spin Mourinho and his loyalists would put on the defensive stats. I know they can argue our defenders are "miles behind" or whatever trendy hyperbole our top 6 rivals but I'd be really interested to hear an explanation of how they are inferior to the defenders at the rest of the PL bar Fulham and Huddersfield.
No such explanation exists - at least not one of sound logic and reasoning. "give him time and another £400 million to spend" is about the best you will get.
It's horrible to win football matches by a huge margin, because it's not giving your opponents enough 'face'.
Catch yourself on.
Even better when you see David Silva tearing up CM when Juan Mata (same age and speed) looking like an OAP.
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That is sickening
Finally!!I've been waiting for the day you lot would deny Matic as a Jose signing
,didn't see the Dier twist coming though,must have taken some time to think up that inventionOverhead Press?
Too bad we don't have a £50m alternati...oh wait
While I agree with you that the team's shape could get more out of the player, i don't see it completely stopping a players growth. Rashford himself should do better 5 yards from goal. If he'd taken those easy chances , we would be having a totally different conversation.
BTW i'd love Potch to be our next manager and hope it happens next season.
Eh haven't read the article but that Times article from just reading the tweet seems like typical fodder to feed the fanbase who are already wound up.
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