Fred and Dalot weren't 29.
I'm all for Woodward not wanting to buy aging players, but if it's true Jose was targetting those kinds of players Woodward should have replaced him.
What a hero Woodward is wasting 12 months for us.
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I'm all for Woodward not wanting to buy aging players, but if it's true Jose was targetting those kinds of players Woodward should have replaced him.
What a hero Woodward is wasting 12 months for us.
Why are people ignoring the fact that after 400 million pounds City had built a team good enough to break all records. Klopp has built a Pool side that is doing their best to hang on to a title challenge. We on the other hand are doing our best to secure an Europa league spot competing with the might of Bournemouth and Watford.
When was the last time when we had a negative GD after 12 games? Must have been in the 70s?
Yeah someone linked the stats for that. It was in the 70s.
He must have felt that the squad in place was enough to at least secure top 4, the minimum requirement. I'm not sure what happened behind the scenes as jose had just been given an extension and then the board seem to have changed their mind, maybe the rift with Pogba had something to do with it as well. Jose would have made us into another Inter, splashing out on experienced players to give you one or two good seasons, we'd be challenging better for sure but I doubt it'd be enough. So now we are in a precarious situation where he doesn't want to go down that route but jose isn't walking so hopefully Zidane is still interested at the end of the season.
Because it doesn't fit their agenda.
Jose has brainwashed a large portion of our fans into thinking he's doing the utmost maximum with the team and we shouldn't expect better.
No he doesnt have the players he wants. Have a look at City's squad. Their second team can start in our 11. This is because their recruitment has been good for a number of years not just for the last two.
This is not a problem that started from Mourinho's time here. Our recruitment has been bad for a number of years. Yes all of Jose's singing havent worked. But thats true even for Guardiola. It didnt stop city from shipping the underperforming players out and replacing them with new/better players.
If Woodward had backed Mourinho in the summer we would probably still be playing like a small team against city. but we wouldnt get outplayed and beaten 3-1 and we sure as hell wouldnt be 8th.
Mourinho isnt the right coach, i can admit that. But he's no dud, he's won everything at club football level.
But he's certainly not a coach who will succeed if he doesnt get the players he wants (theres a long history dating back to the good eggs make good omlets episode) So Why even hire him and if you're not looking to invest every summer. If one is going to hire him then one has to back him all the way.
Theres enough precedent to prove that Jose wins trophies when he's backed in the transfer market and no one can question that. His record proves it.
Our team isn't the best, but the fact people are honestly arguing we're about where we should be with this squad have absolutely lost it.
You can say the same about LVG and Benitez. It's a poor argument. Things change. Success in the past does not guarantee success in the future.
Those stats a couple pages back! Moyes-esque stuff.
Right so after 2 years and 8 transfers it's OK for us to be poor because he's not yet got the players he wants. But if we'd bought another 2 players in the summer it would have all clicked into place. 2 more signings would make all the difference, far more of a difference than signing a measly 8 players
No club in history has ever been able to pull of every transfer they've ever wanted. Dont see any player at the club that Mou didn't want. He just didnt get everyone he wanted. We also kept some players he wanteout i.e Martial.
There is a wealth of talent and ability flowing through our club, from the schoolboys to the first team, they just need the right guidance to make it all come together.
No doubt but we're talking about the most successful manager in the last 10yrs. He has the highest trophy count, same as guardiola, in the last 10 yrs. So no he's in a different league to lvg and benitez.
Absolutely brutal stats.
Then he's not a good coach anymore. He's a chequebook manager.
His only solution is to throw money at it. Remember he said call me a head coach not a manager? Well this year he proved what a rubbish coach he is. lf it's just "buy the best players " why do we need a manager even? Isn't part of his job to improve players? We might as well have had Ed in charge these years and there would be no difference probably.
Yeah but excuses, blame everyone and everything bar the manager etc.
He's past it. Whether he's better than LVG and Benitez right now is a moot point.
They said yesterday on MOTD since 1977.
I don't get why people cling to that. You just have to look at Lippi, Cappello, Wenger, trapattoni and many others, managers aren't eternal, they don't have an infinite peak.
Well we don't know the inner workings of the club. Jose's recent remarks about the scouting department hints at some conflict/discord. Ribalta leaving mid-transfer window also stinks of something being awfully wrong at the recruitment level.
As far as Martial is concerned, I can only go by Jose's word. In a recent interview he said he never wanted Martial gone from the club. The rest is just tabloid nonsense.
I agree with most of this. With the position of the board and them wanting him to get the best out of the younger players he’s simply the wrong man for the job. However, and I said it in another thread, the team shape in this game and last year at OT was actually pretty good against City but individual mistakes, players off form and having no one in the midfield feeding the strikers were the issues. Going off topic slightly but I’d fancy Jose’s Chelsea (04-05) or inter teams to beat this Pep side. He still has a lot to offer as a manager (probably just not for us).
Poba and Ibra made a huge difference to us. So yes, two players, if they are the right players, can make a huge difference.
I still think that with a fit Pogba and Sanchez, and two good singings (at positions 6 and 7) and we can beat this city side. Not at their own game, thats not Joses style. But beat them exactly how he beat Pep with Inter.
Absolutely right, however he did manage to have the largest chequebook at pretty much all the clubs he has been at in the last 10 years and you can see why he has won so many trophies. Back then it worked, sign the best players and win. Unfortunately today, he is competing against other clubs and managers with the same chequebook and therefore Mourinho is having to rely solely on his tactics. Which as we can all see, is not going so well.
Because it's become a favourite for you lot, I'm just going to point out that bar a few isolated examples, goal difference is utterly utterly irrelevant.
Can you shut up about it? Honestly it just adds to the theory none of you have watched football for very long at all.
That's not to say it's shit, but it's not through a lack of scoring goals, it's through an inability to prevent the other team scoring and well, you've all decided that we can't get any more defenders in because of that well known rule where you can't buy any more after you've bought two already.
Appreciate it.
Can you shut up about it? Honestly it just adds to the theory none of you have watched football for very long at all.
That's not to say it's shit, but it's not through a lack of scoring goals, it's through an inability to prevent the other team scoring and well, you've all decided that we can't get any more defenders in because of that well known rule where you can't buy any more after you've bought two already.
Appreciate it.
Yeah ok whatever.
How about points and being 8th in the league table?
Well after 12 games having a negative GD actually explains a lot. Like a supposed great defensive coach managing a team who suffered more goals than Wolves who came from the Championship with a back 3 made of Coady, Boly or Bennett.
If his defensive organization is good and they suffer this amount of goals, I can't even imagine what he does relatively to their offensive organization, what he requires them to do, how are the training sessions during the week. Can this be discussed here, or is it only lack of money who explains everything?
If his defensive organization is good and they suffer this amount of goals, I can't even imagine what he does relatively to their offensive organization, what he requires them to do, how are the training sessions during the week. Can this be discussed here, or is it only lack of money who explains everything?
Why though? Just get rid of him, put a caretaker in place and salvage the season.
We're 8th, negative goal difference and playing terrible football. Surely that's enough cause for sacking him? Or do the board think Mourinho could sell a few more Hublot watches before that?
You can't keep clean sheets without Maguire, it's a well known fact. Just impossible.
Btw, we're on course to score fewer goals than in the Moyes season. But that's also because we didn't get a CB.
You win matches by scoring more goals than the other team so I do not see how it is irrelevant. I know some here hate all types of advanced stats but, goal difference is about as basic as stats get.
Unfortunately most members didnt see buying Matic that way when he was initially bought.
Even at the end of last season many still didnt see it coming (https://www.redcafe.net/threads/matic-debut-season-review.438495/). Some went as far as claiming he was the best signing by mourinho yet and he was indeed instrumental last season. So criticism of buying Matic is being done now by most with the benefit of hind sight.
But to me it was obvious (Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed) and anyone in a position to approve transfers should have known they would likely be getting 2yrs max from him and should have factored it in to the price negotiated and made plans for a timely replacement. Even if Matic was Mourinho's prime target, that fault still lies with Ed for approving the transfer as he has the final say.
No manager should have their transfers be automatically secured (after all what if it would bankrupt the club). What needs to be accepted is the needs identified by the manager but his list of candidates is just a small set of possible candidates to address the identified need. That list is not exhaustive (and usually can never be), as it is limited to the manager's subjective judgement of only the players the he is aware of. It is the responsibility of whoever has the final say on transfers to ensure the club explores beyond the list and in fact should be part of due diligence. It is only required that the input of the manager be considered in the final choice.
Ah, the old 'you're all dumb and you don't know what you're talking about' argument.
Jose Mourinho has completed 10 signings during his tenure and not one of them could be considered a success - not a single one - and you want to give him another £100+ million to spend on top of the £400 million he has already thrown away? Surely you are joking.
I think you could levy the same accusation at guardiola. Before guardiola spent millions at city, he didnt win anything either. Big clubs need special managers who in turn need special players.
I dont think theres any doubt that Mourinho needs to spend money to succeed. But the club knew that when they hired him. Any club that hires Jose knows this. I wont defend Mourinho's football philosophy, its boring. But if he's given all the players he wants, he usually gets results and wins trophies.
It's not. It's mostly from Real and Portugal where he's the favorite for most games. Mourinho has 65% win record.
55% win record means 63 points in the league in a season.
Don't think anyone on his right mind would think Carlos is a option. He was there only watching the game I guess. And he is still managing Iran, don't see him staying there much longer.
Very few City players would start for us under Mourinho. Look at the team that played against us yesterday, only two of Sterling, Mahrez, Silva and B Silva would start for us because Mourinho would never play either Silva (or DeBruyne for that matter) in the centre of midfield. He would play those guys as wingers and there are only two spots for that. He would have started with Fernandinho and Gundagon in midfield and would have partnered them with Matic...
I didn't say that our fixtures were difficult, I said that we've yet to play the worst teams in the league. That's matches that the teams above us have 100% record against and therefor an edge.
We lost against Brighton in the 2nd match of the season. Our team was a shambles at the beginning of the season, most players didn't have a pre-season with the team and compare that to Liverpool who managed to have a pre-season with their best 11. There was a huge difference between those two clubs specifically in that regard.
West Ham match pure garbage but they also managed to beat Everton and draw Chelsea. It's a weird team that randomly has good games and they have good enough players to punish good teams when they don't show up like we did. The West Ham match was also a tipping point for the team. Since then there's been improvement and that also coincides with us finding a more consistent first team. Pogba playing, the same CB pairing, Martial.
I think Mourinho can definitely get top 4 this season, no doubt. Arsenal and Spurs aren't special and Chelsea are dependant on Hazard showing up for matches. We however won't improve much without spending, that much is clear.
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