Sarri has been bang average so far.
Conte first season they were brilliant.
They miss Diego Costa a lot.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Conte first season they were brilliant.
They miss Diego Costa a lot.
Just fix our club, please.
big changes to the coaching staff this season. we saw this even affect SAF when Queiroz left ( twice ). Woodward has set his target ( top 4 ) let's give him a chance to turn it around.
Changed my vote to keep Jose at the club.
Changed my vote to keep Jose at the club.
There is this myth Pep took over a team full of superheroes.
We are 8th, have a -1 goal difference and haven't played a solid 90 minutes of football for a year and yet there are still folks lodged in his arse. It's quite amazing.
If he's bang average why has he broken the record of most games undefeated for a new manager in the PL? He's barely had any time to buy any players but the team are already playing in his style. Sure they might lack a bit concentration in some phases but that's why the manager is there. to improve those lapses. We still play the same boring dead football with no signs of improving. So what is the point then? Can you explain to me why has Mourinho failed to implement his style after 2.5 years and 400m? He's taking us backwards actually. Minus 1 GD with the quality we have in our squad is inexcusable no matter which way you look at it.
Very very questionable definition of “bang average”.
Imagine how much more "bang average" they'd be if Morata could actually score goals... or if they'd brought Sarri in earlier and given him some actual new players. My head swims at the averageness on view... I'd take it if offered... Average may actually mean we had a better GD
Bang average? You're kidding surely.
The real difference in Pep and Jose's spending is quality of spending. it feels like almost everyone Pep buys is a success while almost everyone Jose buys is called to be sold or not good enough within only a year. Pogba is his most successful buy and even Jose fans have been advocating his sale to be replaced by that text message fella from Lazio
If Chelsea this season are "bang average" I dread to think what we are.
This comparison with Moyes is irrelevant, he took a Championship winning side & sucked the life out of it in 3 months.
-1 GD cracks me up though, in some morbid form of self-deprecating humor. How are we so bad.
Nonsense.
Pretty much this. It's clear as day he's going at the end of the season I just fecking hope we can do enough to finish in the top four. Really don't fancy another season out of the CL.
Todays squad is better than the one Moyes had available to him
I would love to see an alternative timeline and find out where we would be now if Moyes had been given more time.
Disagree with that mate. He's doing a good job so far.
Was about to post that!
Yet more evidence that - even if our squad isn’t as good as the likes of Chelsea and City - Mourinho is getting performances out of this squad that are significantly worse than some of the squads in the mid to lower PL table.
It’s only isolated moments of individual brilliance that stops us being closer to relegation than we are to winning the league.
The Father Ted scene about cows and perspective springs to mind hereOff-topic but the size of Lukaku in that photo.
Sorry, but this is a massive over-rating of United's players. Both Dier and Wanyama are better DMs (and note that we have two of them) than Matic. I'd take Winks over either Fred or Herrera. Dembele is way better than Fellaini. Periera (who?). And if you're going to include Pogba then I'm going to include Eriksen. Even Sissoko has improved a lot for us compared to when he arrived, to the point where there are no longer groans when he's picked to start games.
It's pretty much was Chelsea fans were saying about Mourinho's later years before he got sacked. Overly reliant on individual brilliance instead of a well coached unit.
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We look like a team that have no purpose or plan when we attack. Players do not know where to make runs or look for the pass. Midfielders do not know when to support the attack. It’s just all a mess. I’m convinced we do not work on any team attacking moves in training.
I generally don’t buy into the way people try to claim that managers can’t take any credit for individual brilliance. It’s them that picks (and/or signs) the players who produce the moments of brilliance, after all.
Although this defence works less well for Mou, who - by all accounts - actively wanted rid of the player who’s most often saved his arse in recent weeks.
How anyone would even contemplate the idea of Moyes being still here, I completely erased that chapter from my memory.I will just say one word 'Fellaini'. This guy illustrates everything that is wrong about how we play. I don't care how good he was in defence yesterday, as our third central defender. What did he add in creativity & attack. Absolutely nothing. If I was manager, the first task would be giving him a one way ticket out of the club, & stop giving managers an excuse to pick him, & lump the ball up to him.
Graham Souness asked Gary Neville a simple question. Is Mourinho getting the best out of the players.' We all know the answer to that, but Neville wouldn't answer blabbering about perhaps the players were not good enough & Moyes/LVG had similar issues. What he didn't say was all were negative managers, who played football which seemed to be alien to how many of our attacking players play to their best. I expect some of them are overrated, some past it, & some underachieving, but until we get an attacking coach who plays the United way we won't know.
It was depressing yesterday to see a team play the Man Utd way with free flowing football, despite not being at their best, whilst we did our Stoke/Bolton impressions, & playing like a non league side defending against the bigger club. This has to stop. Mourinho is clueless & will never change, so Woodward must make the decision for him.
Graham Souness asked Gary Neville a simple question. Is Mourinho getting the best out of the players.' We all know the answer to that, but Neville wouldn't answer blabbering about perhaps the players were not good enough & Moyes/LVG had similar issues. What he didn't say was all were negative managers, who played football which seemed to be alien to how many of our attacking players play to their best. I expect some of them are overrated, some past it, & some underachieving, but until we get an attacking coach who plays the United way we won't know.
It was depressing yesterday to see a team play the Man Utd way with free flowing football, despite not being at their best, whilst we did our Stoke/Bolton impressions, & playing like a non league side defending against the bigger club. This has to stop. Mourinho is clueless & will never change, so Woodward must make the decision for him.
There isn’t a single aspect of his job where Mourinho is exceeding or even meeting expectations. I can’t think of one thing that you can say he is doing well or is progressing.
He will be here until end of the season and I think three years is plenty of time to evaluate whether it is worth continuing with him or not. We won’t finish in the top four and witjout any signs of progress his position will be untenable and that will be the end of that.
He will be here until end of the season and I think three years is plenty of time to evaluate whether it is worth continuing with him or not. We won’t finish in the top four and witjout any signs of progress his position will be untenable and that will be the end of that.
That stat doesn't surprise me at all, seeing as we start the majority of games on the defensive and are half asleep for half of basically every game we play.
It's not a myth. All this shows is that City under performed that season considering the players they had (hence the manager being replaced). The City squad were still banging in goals for fun.
In the 2014/15 season they scored 83 goals in the Pem, the highest of any team (yet still came second - for comparison Utd scored 62).
In the 2015/16 season they scored 71 goals in the Prem, the highest of any team (yet came fourth - for comparison Utd scored 49).
In the 2016/17 (Pep's first in charge) they scored 80 goals in the Prem and came third (for comparison Utd scored 54).
It is clear we were struggling to score before Jose took over. City weren't struggling offensively at all, they clearly had a far superior squad that underachieved under Pellegrini considering they amount of goals they scored, and keep scoring.
Deja vu moment this transcript from the countless conversations here on the caf on the same subject.Neville
He really is a bonafide clown..
What did he say that was so clown like? I'm just curious because he does say Jose hasn't got the team playing and that's not the United side he wants to see play.
His horrible decision to start a midfield three of matic, Herrera and fellani instead of giving Fred a chance reeks of his defensive and must not loose mentality. He's a very wrong fit for this club and that's very obvious.
Saying that , I don't think he should be sacked before the season. Rather he should be allowed some degree of freedom in the market to address the obvious shortcomings
In the meanwhile we should look at the long term managerial fit from the next seasons campaign.
Saying that , I don't think he should be sacked before the season. Rather he should be allowed some degree of freedom in the market to address the obvious shortcomings
In the meanwhile we should look at the long term managerial fit from the next seasons campaign.
The worry is that he buys the wrong players then a new manager is stuck with players he doesn't want.
I remember a press conference during which a certain manager spoke about "football heritage" mentioning a lot of stats to prove his point, also when questioned on Rashford but now the same manager says "stats are for those who don't understand football".
What a buffoon
For once I have to agree with most of what Souness said. Martial was a bright light when LVG was here. Rashford and Lingaard played better too when LVG was here. So did Smalling during a period. LVG's problem was Rooney who has completely lost it. I would say if LVG had Pogba and this team we would have done much better.
I like Jose but he talked a lot of rubbish after the match.
Yeah, city had two easy 6-0 matches, have we ever had one 6-0 in his time here?
Yeah, city had two easy 6-0 matches, have we ever had one 6-0 in his time here?
Look at that ffs!
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