The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Samid]

Anyone still supporting him isn't a United fan. The clown is a total disgrace and his cult following is somehow a bigger embarrassment than he is.

 

[Hawks2008]

Anyone still supporting him isn't a United fan. The clown is a total disgrace and his cult following is somehow a bigger embarrassment than he is.

Agreed. The ironic thing is that his a lot of his vocal supporters on here labeled many posters as 'Martial FC', while at the same time being massive Mourinho fanboys.

 

[Zlatattack]

He brought Bailly, Dalot, Matic and Lindelof + he renewed Rojo's contract. He spent 400m and there is so little talent to show for it

Please see the bit bit of my previous message where I clearly state I think the manager has failed.

Unfortunately for us, this is not an either/or situation.

 

[Adisa]

 

[botond]

We had 1 shot on goal , from a penalty .

 

[Minimalist]

Yeah so basically what I said. One good chance in the first half, one long distance shot that hit the bar and one half chance that was saved.

Apologies I was a bit OTT yesterday (like everyone else) but I guess my main point was we could have been easily a few goals down before Ronaldo scored.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

When @Pogue Mahone is starting to get impatient you know it's time.

The goalposts keep getting moved by a cult that seem to be enamoured with a manager that acts like a prick, plays ugly football, doesn't get the results and has done nothing for us as a club.
When Martial was benched and almost sold it was because he isn't good enough, when injuries force Mourinho's hand and he plays well it's because of his mastermind player management.
When we This level of loyalty to someone as described above is Baffling (caps intended). This level of unconditional love for him is on par with the admiration we have for Fergie. They are too invested, too far in to pull out. It's not about the man anymore, their pride is on the line.

Nothing but the cold hard truth from you as always.

The love some of our fans have for Mourinho makes me sick.

It's just inexplicable to me.

 

[Fracture90]

Man is this a real quote from him?

 

[Ephrem]

What the hell is this post suppose to mean? Just a while back people where saying woodward should have paid whaever it took to get Mourinho the defender he wanted, including f*cking Santi Mina. It was well public knowledge that Inter will only do buisiness if Martial was included in the deal, same as Tottenham and Chelsea. Perhaps Ed is learning in not paying premium price for players who after a season will need replacing just like Matic needs now.
None of Jose's signing apart from Pogba looks to be a part of a long time future at the club at the moment, that is more damning.
So my suggestion is you guys should get out of Jose's ass for a minute and analyse things as the are.

Nope they won't. According to them our team performance will dramatically improve if we sign a top class defender.

If I was Woodward I won't give Jose a dime anymore. I know we won't win the title or even compete for it anytime soon and I am pretty sure signing one defender wont make us challengers too. I want to see improvements in the pitch. I want to see the midfield functioning well and not getting ever run week after week. I want to see the attackers play with some kind of understanding. I want us to team play as team not as a bunch of individuals who are trying to play. And signing a CB is going to make all this happen ? Nah I can't see that. So Jose, get your ass up and try to coach the team and show me improvements. This team have got better players than in Bournemouth/Wolves but have when it comes to actual playing they play football at a level that's way better than ours and that's on Jose. Not a Jose fan or hater but that's the truth.

And to all those who keeps on saying that Pep and Klopp spend shit load of money, well they earned it. During Pep's and Klopp's first there were clear improvements in the way their team were playing. Both were creating shit loads of chances and attacking like a team and showed that they can take their team forward. Both improved the players that had and then demanded signings.

 

[Minimalist]

Nothing but the cold hard truth from you as always.

The love some of our fans have for Mourinho makes me sick.

It's just inexplicable to me.

Preach. Fecking state of it.

Imagine ever warming to one of the most miserable and poisonous cretins in world football?

 

[westmeath]

Anyone still supporting him isn't a United fan. The clown is a total disgrace and his cult following is somehow a bigger embarrassment than he is.

I’m no fan of Mourinho but the support he has at OT is incredible. By your logic the majority of the Stretford End are not United fans.

 

[Adisa]

Man is this a real quote from him?

It's real.
He only acknowledges the reality that suits him. He's a lot like Trump in that sense. The reality is that in our case, the stats reveal a lot of the things we see on the pitch.

 

[Raees]

Agreed. The ironic thing is that his a lot of his vocal supporters on here labeled many posters as 'Martial FC', while at the same time being massive Mourinho fanboys.

What is also ironic is that ‘Martial FC’ only had the best interests of the club at heart which cannot be said about the Mouron brigade.

 

[Adisa]

I’m no fan of Mourinho but the support he has at OT is incredible. By your logic the majority of the Stretford End are not United fans.

I personally know fans who think it's best he leaves but still chant the song. It's just partisan nature. Even I defend Mourinho when I hear ABUs having a go at him.

 

[Robbie Boy]

As I said, was buzzing when we got him and I would have argued with anyone and told them that he was the perfect choice for us. So for all this talk of 'agendas', the majority are like myself and wanted him but can see that it's really not working out.

 

[Fracture90]

It's real.
He only acknowledges the reality that suits him. He's a lot like Trump in that sense. The reality is that in our case, the stats reveal a lot of the things we see on the pitch.

It's comical consisting he's always quick to break out his stat ledger when it suits his agenda, like in Rashford's minutes case.

 

[Ish]

Also...

NEWSFLASH. WE’RE IN EIGHTH COCKING PLACE. CAN ANYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY TRYING TO ARGUE THAT Mourinho IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN WITH THIS SQUAD PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU THINK Bournemouth AND FECKING Watford HAVE BETTER SQUADS THAN US?!?

*and breath*

Spot on.

When we're compared to Pep/City - we have to hear about money, money money.

Apparently when you then mention teams built on a fraction of our budget/wage bill and playing better football/higher up the table - it's all Woodwards fault. Mourinho can do no wrong to some.

 

[Fracture90]

Spot on.

When we're compared to Pep/City - we have to hear about money, money money.

Apparently when you then mention teams built on a fraction of our budget/wage bill and playing better football/higher up the table - it's all Woodwards fault. Mourinho can do no wrong to some.

Here enters Derby County.

 

[Ish]

Here enters Derby County.

There's probably an explanation for that too: Woodward.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Unlike us, @Pogue Mahone wanted Mourinho badly as well, so you can't accuse him of having an agenda.
The refusal by some to absolve Mourinho of any blame is baffling.
He ruined the season before a ball was kicked and had already decided it was going to be a disaster. That set the tone. Now he's trying to recover an impossible situation.
I don't particularly rate rhis squad, look at my posts from last season. But this manager is getting nowhere near the maximum from it...not even close.
That's the minimum requirement from a manager earning £15m a year.

I never “wanted Mourinho badly” tbf. He seemed the best available manager at the time, so I was willing to put aside the fact I thought he was a dick, in the hope that he could turns things round. Drastic measures were needed and I thought he was worth a shot.

 

[kouroux]

@Kevin, @Pogue Mahone I don't think I have ever agreed more to posts on the caf than yours in this thread. We have blind cult members on this site, ready to die for Jose.

 

[Fracture90]

There's probably an explanation for that too: Woodward.

Sold!

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I’m no fan of Mourinho but the support he has at OT is incredible. By your logic the majority of the Stretford End are not United fans.

"Every single one of us, will stand by David Moyes"

 

[Craig Ward]

I've been in the Jose out camp since the day he was hired, very poor appointment from day 1.

I've given him a chance, hoping he could shape the squad as it was in a poor state when he joined.

He's arguably got a worse squad, playing a worse style of football now than when he started.

This is his 3rd season - and we are still playing Smalling and Young. Jose's transfers dealings (in & out) have been shocking.

Massive overhaul of the squad still needed and its been like that since Moyes took over. Has Jose improved us? Not at all

 

[SteveW]

Currently - pending a couple of other clubs publishing more updated financial reports - Spurs now have the 8th largest income in world football. Our new stadium will boost that income further. Yes, we have a large debt to pay down, but "never" is a long time and we are not the financial minnow that some seem to imagine.

Pochettino is well aware of the potential at Spurs and has previously spoken of establishing a dynasty with us. You won't find it so easy to persuade him away, as Real Madrid discovered in the summer, and I strongly doubt you'll succeed in doing so.

That's a long wait.

Sadly I don't think we'll try for him.

 

[pocco]

Well, they deserve it. You had your time under the sun the past couple of weeks, now its theirs (or ours). Back to your hole.

Couple of weeks? First season winning a couple of trophies, last season we finished second and got some good wins against the big teams where we were written off completely. You're the one that's been waiting for your time in the sun pal. Previously all you could turn to was style of play and an upcoming "dreaded 3rd season". I know what the problems are.

 

[Fredo]

Okay so we get beat by City yesterday and all of a sudden it's doom and gloom back again. City's depth in squad is the best in the premier league hands down. We don't have the quality of players to turn things around.
We heavily rely on Pogba, if he plays well, we play well, if he doesn't we are fecked so not having him yesterday clearly diminished our chances to put up against City.
We put Martial/Rashford/Lingard up front, 3 dynamic players who could not do anything due to the lack of quality in midfield. Not a single player in midfield bothered to create something for them. Lingard was useless most of the time.

Our defenders cleared the ball randomly, playing the high ball all the time to 3 young players who cannot obviously compete in aerial challenges with City defenders, so we kept on losing possession and giving it back.
How is this Mourinho's fault when the players themselves don't want to make themselves available to get that pass? The first half was shambolic and going to the second half, we all saw what Lukaku's introduction did. 75 million pounds for a striker who can't be bothered to control the ball properly and to have a physical presence in the opponent's box.

We played against Juventus on wednesday, the players were knackered, we played 94 minutes and scored in the final 10 minutes, we had to stay defensively compact the entire match in order not to concede against one of the best teams in europe and we still managed to turn the game around.

We have interesting games coming up, Crystal Palace/Arsenal/Fulham at OT, so if we manage to play like we did against Chelsea and the other teams we beat we should win all of them. Southampton away should be a good game to win as well. For CL we have Young Boys at home, beat them and we are through to the CL knockouts so the Valencia game would be irrelevant.

Let's stick behind Mourinho because like it or not, we have been playing well until yesterday. Without Pogba we can't do much and we have to accept that until we go to the transfer market again.

 

[PaulRich]

If there isn't already a shortlist of replacements getting drawn up - there fecking should be

 

[Canagel]

The 1 shot on goal must've hurt him. Poor soul

 

[Minimalist]

I think ultimately what makes me against Mourinho is that under his management I've seen more closely, just how reactive he is as a manager. He literally never sets us up to dominate the play, even at home. There's no attacking system, there's no evidence that he's drilling us to be both brave and intelligent both with and without the ball.

At other clubs before (Chelsea, Inter, Madrid) I just caught results from afar or watched the odd match in the CL. I knew he was a pragmatic, unattractive coach but I never realised just how mis-matched he is for a club like Manchester United. I honestly think now in hindsight he's one of the worst appointments we could have made. His approach is completely at odds to what the club stands for.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It's still everyone else's fault, lads. How dare anyone question Mourinho? He's only the manager after all.

 

[golden_blunder]

A 65 year old manager that hasn't managed club football in 14 years and has a 55% career win record and only 1 cup win to his name. He wouldn't even stand a chance if an asteroid hit a well attendance manager conference.

I did say caretaker manager
Slightly tongue in cheek obviously

DoF?

Tbf he’s taken Iran to the last 2 world cups

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Okay so we get beat by City yesterday and all of a sudden it's doom and gloom back again. City's depth in squad is the best in the Premier League hands down. We don't have the quality of players to turn things around.
We heavily rely on Pogba, if he plays well, we play well, if he doesn't we are fecked so not having him yesterday clearly diminished our chances to put up against City.
We put Martial/Rashford/Lingard up front, 3 dynamic players who could not do anything due to the lack of quality in midfield. Not a single player in midfield bothered to create something for them. Lingard was useless most of the time.

Our defenders cleared the ball randomly, playing the high ball all the time to 3 young players who cannot obviously compete in aerial challenges with City defenders, so we kept on losing possession and giving it back.
How is this Mourinho's fault when the players themselves don't want to make themselves available to get that pass? The first half was shambolic and going to the second half, we all saw what Lukaku's introduction did. 75 million pounds for a striker who can't be bothered to control the ball properly and to have a physical presence in the opponent's box.

We played against Juventus on wednesday, the players were knackered, we played 94 minutes and scored in the final 10 minutes, we had to stay defensively compact the entire match in order not to concede against one of the best teams in europe and we still managed to turn the game around.

We have interesting games coming up, Crystal Palace/Arsenal/Fulham at OT, so if we manage to play like we did against Chelsea and the other teams we beat we should win all of them. Southampton away should be a good game to win as well. For CL we have Young Boys at home, beat them and we are through to the CL knockouts so the Valencia game would be irrelevant.

Let's stick behind Mourinho because like it or not, we have been playing well until yesterday. Without Pogba we can't do much and we have to accept that until we go to the transfer market again.

You think we have been playing well? We won those games because we showed some spirit that is all. I do agree that fatigue may have played a part, but that cannot be the case for all the other games this season where we have been lethargic and have put ourselves in the position we are now. We have a team lacking in quality in depth and a manager who has lost touch with today's football and is more bothered about his own past glories.

 

[Minimalist]

You think we have been playing well? We won those games because we showed some spirit that is all. I do agree that fatigue may have played a part, but that cannot be the case for all the other games this season where we have been lethargic and have put ourselves in the position we are now. We have a team lacking in quality in depth and a manager who has lost touch with today's football and is more bothered about his own past glories.

He's not the only one unfortunately. Recent performances have been good apparently.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

He's not the only one unfortunately. Recent performances have been good apparently.

There are even some who thought we played well yesterday. We are turning into plucky also rans.

 

[Minimalist]

There are even some who thought we played well yesterday. We are turning into plucky also rans.

Aye I seen that - he's managing us btw.

 

[Cee90]

We need wholesale changes across the ‘business’, and yes, we are a business first and a football club second, in the eye of our owners anyway.

Just replacing Jose may not help things that much.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Okay so we get beat by City yesterday and all of a sudden it's doom and gloom back again. City's depth in squad is the best in the Premier League hands down. We don't have the quality of players to turn things around.
We heavily rely on Pogba, if he plays well, we play well, if he doesn't we are fecked so not having him yesterday clearly diminished our chances to put up against City.
We put Martial/Rashford/Lingard up front, 3 dynamic players who could not do anything due to the lack of quality in midfield. Not a single player in midfield bothered to create something for them. Lingard was useless most of the time.

Our defenders cleared the ball randomly, playing the high ball all the time to 3 young players who cannot obviously compete in aerial challenges with City defenders, so we kept on losing possession and giving it back.
How is this Mourinho's fault when the players themselves don't want to make themselves available to get that pass? The first half was shambolic and going to the second half, we all saw what Lukaku's introduction did. 75 million pounds for a striker who can't be bothered to control the ball properly and to have a physical presence in the opponent's box.

We played against Juventus on wednesday, the players were knackered, we played 94 minutes and scored in the final 10 minutes, we had to stay defensively compact the entire match in order not to concede against one of the best teams in europe and we still managed to turn the game around.

We have interesting games coming up, Crystal Palace/Arsenal/Fulham at OT, so if we manage to play like we did against Chelsea and the other teams we beat we should win all of them. Southampton away should be a good game to win as well. For CL we have Young Boys at home, beat them and we are through to the CL knockouts so the Valencia game would be irrelevant.

Let's stick behind Mourinho because like it or not, we have been playing well until yesterday. Without Pogba we can't do much and we have to accept that until we go to the transfer market again.

Ok so we get the jammiest ever win against Juve and suddenly he's the right man for the job and the Jose mega-fans are back in here telling everyone how wrong they were to doubt the oracle. See? This works both ways.

 

[Adisa]

There are even some who thought we played well yesterday. We are turning into plucky also rans.

I saw one poster in another thread saying we gave a decent account of ourselves.
Mourinho has successfully convinced son fans that we are a pub side.

 

[Fredo]

Ok so we get the jammiest ever win against Juve and suddenly he's the right man for the job and the Jose mega-fans are back in here telling everyone how wrong they were to doubt the oracle. See? This works both ways.

No I did not say that, I said stick behind him since we have an interesting run coming up at our home turf. Up till yesterday's game we haven't been really bad, we have been conceding like idiots due to defensive mistakes but we have shown character to come back and win most of them. Matic is off-form and it is evident, Lukaku as well. Those 2 are supposedly one of the most important players in the team (One supposedly shielding the back 4 and allowing Pogba more freedom to create) and the other one supposedly our main striker up front. Take those two out and take Pogba off due to injury and what would you get? We simply don't have enough depth to rotate/replace players. We have a non-existent right flank due to the lack of a RW and a proper RB. All our attacks are concentrated on the left flank. If Martial's covered properly, we are fecked, if Pogba is injured we are fecked. We need better quality to compete whether we have Mourinho as our manager or not.