lol 100m? even napoli wants more than that for older, less talented and less experience koulibaly
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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A 65 year old manager that hasn't managed club football in 14 years and has a 55% career win record and only 1 cup win to his name. He wouldn't even stand a chance if an asteroid hit a well attendance manager conference.
We're not looking good for top four. I'd go into details but this quote summarises it well enough.
my recommendation is get a DoF by january, let him assess the squad and manager, and he should decide what is best going forward. if he feels mourinho is not the manager for the job, then fire him.
Give the man some credit. Nobody touches Mourinho in terms of creating loyal followers. I honestly doubt even Sir Alex would have been able to command this much cult like loyalty if he produced the football of the past 3 years.
You didn't even read my post comprehensively.
Spurs on course for 86 points, that's just rubbish. They've not put in better performances than us this season. They've been robbing teams all season and are bound to start dropping more points with these kind of performances.
People forget context. Look at the league. It's not as evenly matched as before. Bottom 5 just aren't taking points of the top 5. There are 19 teams, we've played 12 of them but still hasn't faced any of the bottom 5. Newcastle looked like the first team in the league when you looked at the league table very recently but the fact is they've played every team in the top 10 besides Arsenal. So the fixture list matters a lot when you've only got a sample size of 12 matches piece.
Honest question by a neutral without agenda. Can those who still think he is a top defensive manager explain to me why United has more goals suffered than City, Liverpool and Chelsea combined? Not worth mentioning only the players. Wolves has a back 3 of Coady, Bennett, Boly. 3 guys who barely played before in the Premier League. I even see Man United on the big games resorting to man marking. How is this top coaching?
Why on earth would Varane leave Real Madrid? Maybe his first choice RW was Messi.
There's a lack of confidence between the players and the coaching staff. It's clear now that there is no long term future for Jose at United, and that seems to be filtering out on to the pitch, with the manager continually lamenting the lack of resources at his disposal, and the players not playing with freedom or confidence. The leaking of goals is just a symptom of this, I feel.
Be that as it may, do you really think that Jose is the man to turn things around? It's clear our problems aren't just down to difficult fixtures as we've lost to the likes of Brighton and West Ham already this season.
I'm not sure about him still being a 'top manager' but the team shape against Juve and against City today wasn't that bad, even though there was hardly any attacking purpose. It was just silly individual mistakes. I'd fancy one of Jose's old teams to beat this City side in much the same way Inter beat Barca a few years back. The shape last year against City at home was good too but again it was individual errors that cost us.
Not saying he's right but according to him the team was so boring and defensive last year so as to protect a very weak defence and the 2nd place finish was an achievement etc etc. I think at the start of the season he was throwing his toys out of the pram somewhat with the whole Herrera and Mctom at centre back which was just silly and arguably disrupted the team. His point isn't helped that Bailly and Lindeloff were his signings.
And with that answer it entirely dismisses the notion the last win at Turin was a tatical masterclass. It wasn't. When this team still gets results with top teams its entirely based on the motivational factor or sometimes having luck in certain moments of the game. Its almost embarassing to see Wolves or Everton with more offensive variations than United.
The logic in here is the best. We got beat by a team that spend 100 million for their central defensive pairing for the next 8 years yet some think we should spend 100 on one guy.
You would make a perfect Daily Mail writer with all this rubbish written. Woodward deserves a lot of criticism but to blame him for signing Jose the players he wanted is just pathetic. First of all Perisic and Willian would both be absolutely awful signings so thank god that never happened. Secondly which centre backs are you talking about when you say Mourinho didn't get his preferred choices because I'm pretty damn sure both Lindelöf and Bailly were the ones. When it comes to signings Jose has been a complete fiasco only Zlatan and Pogba were good signings.
The first thing he should have done when becoming manager should have been getting rid of all the bang average players we have like Young, Valencia, Jones, Smalling and co and replace them with quality to strengthen our backline. How the feck he did not do this taking into consideration he is a defensive manager is beyond me but fair enough you could say he wanted to give them all one season to prove themselves. Well here we are 2 seasons later and the same crap players are all here and now we have another centre back of his choice that was signed for 30m£ rotting on our bench with Smalling being picked ahead of him.
What about the 75m£ Lukaku deal? Wouldn't it be better using that money to strenghten our defence or sign a RW that we have desperately needed for some time now or perhaps wasting it on the belgian Nile Ranger was ideal? How about the 50m£ centre mid he wanted this summer that is being benched week in and week out by Marouane "The Ent" Fellaini and a terribly out of form Matic that looks like he belongs at a senior citizen centre? Not to mention a 30 year old Alexis sitting on a monster contract who is here because of another useless Mourinho signing.
I even personally detest Woodward and the Glazers but to blame him for giving Mourinho only what he wanted is as daft as the press briefing Woodward himself did this summer. Fact is bar Pogba not a single Mourinho signing in this team is standing out as a great player. 2 of them is warming the bench for 80m£ combined, 3 if you want to count in Alexis now too. One of them is one of the worst strikers I've seen play for this club and Lindelöf I'm not really sure what to say about yet as he has had ups and downs but I wouldn't call him a fiasco yet, there is room for improvement but there is also a chance he will turn out a bad signing if he fails to put up consistent good performances. Now imagine if he wasted another 200m on Perisic, Willian and Alderweireld 3 more 30 year olds, I'm glad we dodged that bullet.
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Did he show the three fingers today?
It was a frigging fluke. 2 goals in the dying minutes (one was a stupid own goal) against a team which dominated us. It could have easily ended 3-0
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He brought bailly, dalot, matic and lindelof + he renewed rojo's contract. He spent 400m and there is so little talent to show for it
Very true.
I liked Jose. Would've preferred him to Moyes when Fergie retired. But it's clear now that it is just now working out.
Pull the plug Ed. And get a manager who will actually attack next time.
Agree with this. Many of our recent wins over big teams have had a strong element of luck too, although yes I know you make your own luck etc. etc. Even that big dominating 2-0 win over Chelsea 2 seasons ago? Made possible by a Herrera handball that went undetected and led directly to Rashford's goal, and a 2nd goal that was massively deflected. Granted this was probably a genuine tactical masterclass in that Chelsea was completely nullified, but we still needed luck to score.
A washed-up coward he is. He's finished in England after this job. A shame we cant be ruthless like Madrid, this is going to be a long season.
Juve are more of a reactive team than City despite having similar quality. That's why we beat them by taking our chances. I'd argue Pep's coaching can take City a notch above Juve, though the latter would probably prevail by pure grit and experience.
I don't entirely blame Jose for the 3-1, as this City squad are much better. But selection and tactics were off nonetheless. In addition, this defeat wouldn't have mattered had we not dropped points due to his shit tactics early on in the season, so pur current league position and GD is on him.
Beat Brighton and West Ham and we were only 4 points off City despite this defeat.
I hear what you're saying but what if we go and lose our next game. More than the losses, it's the approach that's doing me in. We were dominated against Bournemouth, Juve so it's not like he only had a bad game against Man City.
He should have signed a new LB with woodward maintaining that shaw was the future?
He wants a RW and recommended Willian and Perisic. If those are poor signings, where are the alternatives the club signed that shows this?
Is is it also Mourinho that negotiated we pay 50m for Fred or agreed to pay 75m+ for Lukaku?.
Mourinho has wanted many players replaced but Ed's wage structure and demands has undermined it or else why do we still darmian on the books?
Mourinho has no control on how much Ed negotiates in buying or selling, and only gives him a list of potential targets. It is Ed, not Mourinho, that decides which of those players we buy and how much we end up paying both for transfers and in wages. what we have spent on transfers and the quality we got for it is on Ed.
Mourinho can be criticised for how the team is setup, style of play, results or for not getting more out of the squad but talk of him or any manager wasting a particular amount when they do not have the final say is unfair criticism. If he does have the authority, then yes he can be criticised but for now that power lies with Ed and thus any criticism of our transfers should be on him.
What the hell is this post suppose to mean? Just a while back people where saying woodward should have paid whaever it took to get Mourinho the defender he wanted, including f*cking Santi Mina. It was well public knowledge that Inter will only do buisiness if Martial was included in the deal, same as Tottenham and Chelsea. Perhaps Ed is learning in not paying premium price for players who after a season will need replacing just like Matic needs now.
None of Jose's signing apart from Pogba looks to be a part of a long time future at the club at the moment, that is more damning.
So my suggestion is you guys should get out of Jose's ass for a minute and analyse things as the are.
Oii i see more and more people have been indulging in that koolaid.
I think we need a first team coach more than a manager in this present era. Then give that coach the players he needs for his team. Jose is from a past era where you could achieve success by being a good manager without having to be a good coach.
and that is Mourinho's fault? Is it also Mourinho that made it that Ed could only negotiate £80m for Morata but same player was sold to Chelsea for £58m while Ed felt it was fine to pay £75m+ for a striker with a horrendous first touch?.
is it also Mourinho that couldnt sell Darmian? Our failure to sell player has led us to having to renew their contract so just that they dont leave on a free.
My problem with posters like you is how you feel Ed was right to not not buy some players but then blame Mourinho for the quality or longevity of ones bought. You cant eat your cake and have it. Ed had final say on who was bought or not bought and thus he is responsible for all transfers - in and out, bought and not bought. He has spent 400m sice mourinho got here, and Ed is responsible for what we bought with that money cos he had the final say.
Nothing changed for me since perhaps the Sevilla game last season. Mourinho will not deliver the best football, his legacy is delivering trophies, major trophies. If hes doing neither then why the feck are we keeping him? Defense, the thing he is supposed to be known for, is our worst area this season, definite blame goes for Ed for not bringing in players but we should not be conceding more than Leicester, Wolves, Bournemouth etc. Imo our recent "good form" is largely down to Martial and Pogba being in good form, nothing to do with changes to the way he coaches (he will never change). We should be ripping the band aid and sack him but honestly I dont think theres a point, Spurs and Arsenal are both better than us, 4th spot will go to either one of them.
He set the narrative for the season before a ball was even kicked. Completly wrote of our season or any excitement we had for the year. What a waste of a season & everyone’s time. This is the same players in defence that got 2nd place last season they shouldn’t be playing this bad. Complaining about funds when your 40m defensive midfielder who he fails to ever criticise needs replacing after a season. 50m centre midfielder can’t get a start. 75m striker can’t score goals & the highest paid player in our history is struggling. I suppose that’s all Woodward’s fault these expensive players can’t perform. I don’t trust this guy with any more money at all. Zero progress made at all.
The way we overcelebrated that sham of a win over Juve it was only fair that we got brought down to earth against City. I mean that has to go down as one of the jammiest wins I have ever seen and whilst normally teams who have an off day are entitled to celebrate the odd win against all odds and see it as a sign the gods are in their favour - we are not in the position to be celebrating wins where the performances don’t tally up with the result as we play shit in every game at the moment.
The league position speaks wonders about how much the manager is underperforming with the current squad (one which finished second last year despite his best attempts to sabotage it post January with shocking team selections) and the eye test will tell you that we’re arguably one of the worst coached teams in the league in terms of a playing identity and general cohesion (in all thirds of the pitch).
Even our goalkeeper is beginning to regress - the next step for his evolution was to improve his ball-playing but now he’s struggling with the basics probably out of exasperation with the current situation.
Team selections have been getting better but it will only get us so far. It will probably still not be enough to get top 4 and it certainly is not going to be enough to win any trophies - not this year or any other.
United are a laughing stock and we are witnessing (and a large group are compliant - especially the away fan contingent) the slowest car crash of a season in United’s recent history. It’s actually worse than LVGs final year where we were organised but just very sterile and at least won FA Cup.
The league position speaks wonders about how much the manager is underperforming with the current squad (one which finished second last year despite his best attempts to sabotage it post January with shocking team selections) and the eye test will tell you that we’re arguably one of the worst coached teams in the league in terms of a playing identity and general cohesion (in all thirds of the pitch).
Even our goalkeeper is beginning to regress - the next step for his evolution was to improve his ball-playing but now he’s struggling with the basics probably out of exasperation with the current situation.
Team selections have been getting better but it will only get us so far. It will probably still not be enough to get top 4 and it certainly is not going to be enough to win any trophies - not this year or any other.
United are a laughing stock and we are witnessing (and a large group are compliant - especially the away fan contingent) the slowest car crash of a season in United’s recent history. It’s actually worse than LVGs final year where we were organised but just very sterile and at least won FA Cup.
Tampa Bay fans hate them, so think you are correct.
Things must be bad if it even has you yelling.
I agree that we are likely stuck with him to at least the end of the season. Then the choice might be wider. Which nitwit gave him that contract I wonder?
The problem with this team goes far deeper than you seem to realise. It doesn't work hard enough (because of Jose's tactics) and is out run in every single game. This is the main reason why the team is bad in defence, not the individuals. To concede 21 goals in 12 games is very very poor. And the signs were there already last season when we conceded much more shots than the other top teams and according to xG should have finished 6th. The good results in the last games involved a lot of luck. Luck can take us only so far.
When @Pogue Mahone is starting to get impatient you know it's time.
The goalposts keep getting moved by a cult that seem to be enamoured with a manager that acts like a prick, plays ugly football, doesn't get the results and has done nothing for us as a club.
When Martial was benched and almost sold it was because he isn't good enough, when injuries force Mourinho's hand and he plays well it's because of his mastermind player management.
When we This level of loyalty to someone as described above is Baffling (caps intended). This level of unconditional love for him is on par with the admiration we have for Fergie. They are too invested, too far in to pull out. It's not about the man anymore, their pride is on the line.
The goalposts keep getting moved by a cult that seem to be enamoured with a manager that acts like a prick, plays ugly football, doesn't get the results and has done nothing for us as a club.
When Martial was benched and almost sold it was because he isn't good enough, when injuries force Mourinho's hand and he plays well it's because of his mastermind player management.
When we This level of loyalty to someone as described above is Baffling (caps intended). This level of unconditional love for him is on par with the admiration we have for Fergie. They are too invested, too far in to pull out. It's not about the man anymore, their pride is on the line.
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Unlike us, @Pogue Mahone wanted Mourinho badly as well, so you can't accuse him of having an agenda.
The refusal by some to absolve Mourinho of any blame is baffling.
He ruined the season before a ball was kicked and had already decided it was going to be a disaster. That set the tone. Now he's trying to recover an impossible situation.
I don't particularly rate rhis squad, look at my posts from last season. But this manager is getting nowhere near the maximum from it...not even close.
That's the minimum requirement from a manager earning £15m a year.
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