It's not the point, we need to bring someone in to change how we are playing. Pep struggled in his first year, he addressed weaknesses and developed what he had. More than anything he stuck to a vision of how he wanted them to play. We have no style developed and can't keep the same 11 for 3 games. United need a change, everyone knows we are going nowhere. The vision and direction of the club needs to be evaluated. Why do nothing, get someone in now and play better football. Build for next year now instead of waiting for the inevitable.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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First sentence of second paragraph is pure fiction. Invented in your own head. I stopped reading there. Not getting sucked into your fantasy world again.
I can't believe what I'm reading. Matic is not Jose choice?? Everyone was saying what a masterstroke we'd done to take him from Chelsea last season (wasn't special imo herrera had better stats in 16/17) but only when he turned out to be dud he's not Jose choice?
true, but that's not really the point. 12 games in, we're 8th with a negative goal difference ... this kind of mediocrity should never ever be accepted at a big club with these financial possibilities. It's not really about competing with Pep right now, it's about doing a lot better than we have been.
Jeez, some posters on here defending Jose for real and inventing absurd stuff 
He also never wanted to sign for United, but Ed put a gun to his head.
He also never wanted to sign for United, but Ed put a gun to his head.Also...
NEWSFLASH. WE’RE IN EIGHTH COCKING PLACE. CAN ANYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY TRYING TO ARGUE THAT MOURINHO IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN WITH THIS SQUAD PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU THINK BOURNEMOUTH AND FECKING WATFORD HAVE BETTER SQUADS THAN US?!?
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NEWSFLASH. WE’RE IN EIGHTH COCKING PLACE. CAN ANYONE WHO IS SERIOUSLY TRYING TO ARGUE THAT MOURINHO IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN WITH THIS SQUAD PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU THINK BOURNEMOUTH AND FECKING WATFORD HAVE BETTER SQUADS THAN US?!?
*and breath*
It is not fiction cos it is well reported that his first choice CB target was Varane. He also wanted Bonucci. Neither were bought.
This is an absolute car crash of post but on top of that, it has nothing to do with the point I was refuting.
Carlos Q in the crowd today beside fergie. Odds on him being caretaker manager before end of season?
So perhaps Mourinho should of looked further afield than Lukaku or Morata? There's plenty of forward options we could of gone with, two of them are currently plying their trade at Arsenal who arguably would of been better.
Well i'm sorry, you may not buy it, but as another poster said, back in that day there was only really Guardiola pushing this, since then a multitude of younger managers, who have obviously taken some inspiration from Guardiola and the Barcelona method have transformed the way football is currently played at the top level, the likes of Tuchel etc have expressed and even visited Guardiola to get some of his methods. Guardiola has no need to change his methods because it's a method everyone is aspiring to still get to, like it or not. Mourinho has done well in his career, he is probably one of the best managers to play the game actually, but if you cannot see we will not get anything out of this I don't know what else will convince you. You seem convince we need to replace the whole squad in order for Mourinho to make it work, which is never the answer for any manager, ever.
Mourinho's method isn't timeless, and nobody will look back on it fondly or generally aspire to do it because everyone associates Mourinho with negative shithousery. I mean LVG won the Dutch league with Ajax in 1994, but he also won it with AZ Alkmaar in 2009, you still want him here? I don't really get your point other than Mourinho will get it right we just need to replace the entire squad, alot of which he has bought himself
Show me these reports.
Agreed. If we’re still Miles off by Christmas then get rid of him, use the next 6 months to build with less pressure and expectation.
I’d happily take a few dodgy results if we showed an attacking intent and a will to use the ball properly.
Neither were bought because their clubs refused to sell. Did you not see or hear the statement that United said that they have the money to pay for Varane if Real was willing to sell and the player was willing to come?
Do you think that all the players in the World want to come and play for Jose and United? We have been shite for some time and no player who is playing for a top club is going to come to United now. What chance has Varane of winning anything by coming to United? At least at Real he has the chance of winning the La Liga and the CL.
Madrid wouldn’t sell and bonucci wanted to stay in Italy. Where does that leave him? should have done more research.
Just like with Perisic, chased him all summer and had no back up plan.
Not to mention we have a negative goal difference
Yeah that shite pisses me off more than where we are at the table.
Matic was on the list but wasnt first choice. Someone made the decision not to buy the first choice cos it was too expensive and settled for Matic. That person was not Mourinho.
FYi, not everyone agreed with signing Matic cos i posted back then that se should have gotten someone younger that can form a longer term partnership with Pogba. I posted similar concerns about Sanchez and didnt want Lukaku.
Try selling them most of our defenders, even they'd turn them down.
Not defending the manager, he's failed as far as I'm concerned, but our squad has so much dog shit we can't get rid of.
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Explain this then please?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-wanted-sign-nemanja-matic-manchester-united/
Hire as DOF and Jardim as manager. Maybe this ship could be steered in the right direction. How's his relationship with Jose? we need someone to explain to those in the higher echelons of our club that this is a mess and rebuilding has to start pronto.
These were players that Jose wanted to buy and he got them. Do you think it is Woodward who chose the players he wanted to buy for United and he chooses the tactics and the way we play? Do you know how the transfer system works? United may have wanted all the best players in the World but if their clubs do not sell them and if the players themselves are not willing to come then there is no way that United can sign them. Why on Earth would any top player who is playing for a top club like Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern would want to come to play for Jose and United?
Don't make claims you won't support.
Many chastise Woodward for infact chasing unattainable players such as Varane and Bonucci. Whilst Mourinho wanted differently.
As well as we know Joses list contained Alderweireld, Mcguire and Boateng.
See above.
Again, don't make (wrong) claims you won't attempt to support.
He is a manager not a scout and can only recommend players he is aware of, that is clubs have scouting networks to bring players d the manager's attention.
As for Varane, we simply didnt bid high enough. whether he is worth the price tag is adifferent debate but you cannot be cheap and then be shocked if the quality is lacking.
He is the one who chooses the scouts too. It is his responsibility. What do you mean we didn't bid enough? We were willing to pay 100,million for him.
Yes, I think he could be doing better than he is.
BUT the league in general has never been more awash with cash than it is now. Which means even the so called minnows can make bigger signings than was previously the case.
Even Bournemouth have 20m to spend on a player these days. 20m puts you in the frame for some significant potential in the market if you have half a clue what you are spending it on. Therefore, overall, it’s harder than it once was I think.
what do you expect him to say after signing the player - oh no i didnt want him?
we were already made aware of Matic availability before the summer, thus if he was first choice why pursue dier to the extent of being accused of tapping?
Watford and Bournemouth are above us.
One thing we need to stop doing is buying players from our competitors who are past their peak.
One thing we need to stop doing is buying players from our competitors who are past their peak.
I'm not saying he's right and time will tell if these guys are good enough or if they're just the next Welbeck, Walcot, and Wilshere etc, But it seems there is a disconnect between the philosophy of the club and the manager. The fact the he used Shaw as an example was telling in that instead of buying a new left back for the past three years or so (which he clearly wanted) we've been waiting for Shaw to reach a certain level whereas Pep can go out and get 4 fullbacks for whatever amount of money.
I really don't know who is to blame more, the board or the manager but I can see both have some valid points.
Come on, it's not that hard. Failed signing = Ed's choice. Successful signing = Jose's choice.
Unfortunately we don't have any statistical outliers from Column B so we must accept that a hapless Mourinho has had an awful lot of players signed over his head by a conniving Woodward.
it simply proves my point.
If the manager wants a CB better than what we currently have (which shouldnt be difficult given our roster), failing to sign one should not be on the manager. there is a fair market value for most quality players. if we are not willing or able to spend the kind of money needed, then we shouldn't blame the manager for that. our most expensive defensive signing till date is still Rio from 16yrs ago but it turned out to be money well spent.
we dont seem to be scouting well, negotiating well and still over pay on wages. 3 managers cant all be that bad - lets change something else for once.
The Mourinho wankers are fast overtaking the LVG cult in terms of stupidity and stubbornness
This.
mourinho is a manager not a scout. he cant recommend players he doesnt know about, which means his first hand knowledge is usually limited to the local league and big clubs. other players often have to be brought to his attention,which is why you have scouting networks.
A good DoF would not take a manager's list as a sacred commandment but would understand what needs the manager is trying to fill in the squad and then tries to find the best player to fill that need considering other factors like availability, finances, club strategy etc. the list from a manager is only his recommendations. A good example is when Mourinho wanted Carvalho and Deco from Chelsea, but inter couldnt meet the price tags but they signed lucio and sneijder who weren't on the list but mourinho agreed they met his needs.
Well one, it's the Superbowl. Two, it's nothing like the F A Cup.... they win their individual league first (division in NFL) then all the division winners (plus few others with next best records) go into a straight one-off knockout.
Basically, they have to do well, across a season to even get into the playoffs. Then win every game.
It's more like the CL.
In 2002/03 SAF was on 22 points after 12 rounds and finished the season as champions. He lost points against 6 teams in those first 12 matches, 5 of which finished in the bottom 6. He also won 15 of the last 19 games. Point is, the team went on a run, season is 38 matches. You usually don't get a clear picture of what's going on until New Years (besides City being the best).
So far the team has been inconsistent. We've played 22 different players in 12 matches, everyone has played in the league besides Rojo and Dalot. Midfield is inconsistent and Rashford and Lukaku are not finishing chances. Another key difference in this season are sloppy goals which I don't think are related to tactics. City weren't great today. Look at the highlights and you see every good chance finishing with a goal. They score immediately at the start of the 2nd half when Lingard makes a touch that should put us 3 on 4 but instead is bad and puts City on the counter.
I'm not in panic mode. I've seen a lot of fight in this team but I also see a lot of sloppy professional players, many of whom just aren't good enough. Matic, Lingard, Smalling, Rashford, Lukaku are all playing significantly worse than last season. Unusually we've had our injury problems in attack rather defense this season. We've played more than 1 game with only 1 attacker on the bench. Only Rashford has been fit all season and he got a 3 match ban. Martial, Pogba, Mata and Lukaku have all had good spells of fitness but they've also all been injured at some point. That means Mourinho has pretty much always had to make changes because of injuries rather than because he wanted to make some changes.
I think if we would have started the same 8-9 players for the most of the season then we'd be in better shape but instead we seen all kinds of midfield 3's and front 3's which isn't helpful. You especially want to skip rotation as much as possible at this stage of the season that just finished because it's the 3rd international break now and those breaks can really mess with how well squads gel so
Top 4 is still very much in play, we're in decent shape in Europe and Christmas season hasn't even started yet. Our next 4 matches look good on paper and I expect 10-12 points from those. A seperate thread was made for the past 6 games an according to that we played much better than people expected yet still they are disappointed. Doesn't make sense. I thought that disappointment is relative to expectations.
Who would you like to see come in?
I don't say that as a Jose supporter, far from it. I honestly thought that the end of last season was the time to move on for both parties. His shiny new contract extension put paid to that though.
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