The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
  • Total voters
    2,977
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RooneyLegend said:
Sad but true. No idea how a club in this predicament plans to get back to the top with mourinho in charge.
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FTFY

I firmly believe that we are just a new manager and a couple of smart signings away from properly challenging again. We have a lot of decent players that just need a bit of inspiration and motivation to perform at their top again. They arent terrible players, they just wont win you gsmes in their own.
 
mu4c_20le said:
FTFY

I firmly believe that we are just a new manager and a couple of smart signings away from properly challenging again. We have a lot of decent players that just need a bit of inspiration and motivation to perform at their top again. They arent terrible players, they just wont win you gsmes in their own.
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Cheers mate.

I hear you but Woodward has shown that he takes forever to make big decisions so im not exactly holding my breath.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Are United producing 90 minute displays? No. They haven't produced one in Mourinho's entire tenure.
Are they creating enough clear-cut chances, specifically in the penalty area? No.
Are they defensively sound? No.
Are they better than last year? No.
Are players being coached up or made to look better by a system of play? No.
Are they 1,2 players away from being an unstoppable machine? No.
Are they closer to winning the PL or CL? No.


Is Mourinho a builder? No.
Is Mourinho a unifier? No.
Is Woodward a football man? No.
Is the club setup helping to recruit the best players? No.
Will Mourinho work with a DOF? No.
Is Mourinho the future? No.

Is all this clearly visible? Yes.
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Excellent post.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Are United producing 90 minute displays? No. They haven't produced one in Mourinho's entire tenure.
Are they creating enough clear-cut chances, specifically in the penalty area? No.
Are they defensively sound? No.
Are they better than last year? No.
Are players being coached up or made to look better by a system of play? No.
Are they 1,2 players away from being an unstoppable machine? No.
Are they closer to winning the PL or CL? No.


Is Mourinho a builder? No.
Is Mourinho a unifier? No.
Is Woodward a football man? No.
Is the club setup helping to recruit the best players? No.
Will Mourinho work with a DOF? No.
Is Mourinho the future? No.

Is all this clearly visible? Yes.
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Well, at least you're not just screaming "I HATE JOSE" like most of the other sad hate-merchants here. Good job mixing it up.

Quality content on this forum these days, unfortunately.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Are United producing 90 minute displays? No. They haven't produced one in Mourinho's entire tenure.
Are they creating enough clear-cut chances, specifically in the penalty area? No.
Are they defensively sound? No.
Are they better than last year? No.
Are players being coached up or made to look better by a system of play? No.
Are they 1,2 players away from being an unstoppable machine? No.
Are they closer to winning the PL or CL? No.


Is Mourinho a builder? No.
Is Mourinho a unifier? No.
Is Woodward a football man? No.
Is the club setup helping to recruit the best players? No.
Will Mourinho work with a DOF? No.
Is Mourinho the future? No.

Is all this clearly visible? Yes.
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Stupid post, I can make such a list for both Klopp and Poch, it's easy to spot flaws and just be specific writing them in a post, truth is Jose has improved the squad massively whether you like it or not, team was a joke under Moyes, a joke under Lvg, but it has an identity now, sure many of you don't like it, boring and such, but only a blind man can't see how United ain't a nobody anymore like it was after Ferguson's departure, team was out of top 4 and he would win the title of not for City's amazing season, he still has won trophies and things are looking good now again, but here you are making this post, I truly believe you'd love for United to fail miserably this season just so Jose leaves, and that's sad.
 
A run of decent results has really got some of you in a stir don't it :lol:

This is when you can tell those sensible ones who turned on Jose to the dogmatic fools who will be incensed by any success. No room for positivity with some
 
Greek9 said:
Stupid post, I can make such a list for both Klopp and Poch, it's easy to spot flaws and just be specific writing them in a post, truth is Jose has improved the squad massively whether you like it or not, team was a joke under Moyes, a joke under Lvg, but it has an identity now, sure many of you don't like it, boring and such, but only a blind man can't see how United ain't a nobody anymore like it was after Ferguson's departure, team was out of top 4 and he would win the title of not for City's amazing season, he still has won trophies and things are looking good now again, but here you are making this post, I truly believe you'd love for United to fail miserably this season just so Jose leaves, and that's sad.
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Does it? Because I'm not sure what to expect from us anymore, I would say last season we had some sort of identity to our play, we got some good results at times for sure, but we were mostly tiresome to watch, yet you knew what to expect, this is Jose's identity not United's though.

This season we seem to be trying this more attacking approach, or at least since the Newcastle first half anyway, right now we are getting ourselves results through both good play and good luck, but at no time though have I thought we have any real 'identity' to our play, more like a last throw of the dice from Jose as he knew everything else wasn't working, fair play if he keeps it going, but you have to have your doubts.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Are United producing 90 minute displays? No. They haven't produced one in Mourinho's entire tenure.
Are they creating enough clear-cut chances, specifically in the penalty area? No.
Are they defensively sound? No.
Are they better than last year? No.
Are players being coached up or made to look better by a system of play? No.
Are they 1,2 players away from being an unstoppable machine? No.
Are they closer to winning the PL or CL? No.


Is Mourinho a builder? No.
Is Mourinho a unifier? No.
Is Woodward a football man? No.
Is the club setup helping to recruit the best players? No.
Will Mourinho work with a DOF? No.
Is Mourinho the future? No.

Is all this clearly visible? Yes.
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Wow, that post is as brutal as it is precise.

To me, timing is a huge factor in changing manager, so even though I agree a lot with of your assessment, I am still with José. Timing can influence the players and also the successor, and as of now, the team is slowly progressing and I cannot think of any manager I'd rather put in José's shoes. If José is to be fired midseason it has to come from the players, in my opinion, and right now it does not seem like happening (even though it could come to it).

On the DoF point, I think you are mistaken. José has a lot less control over the club than SAF, referring to himself more or less as a head coach (his job is to make the players perform better, does not handle contracts), so I think he could work with a DoF. He is working with a kind of DoF now, but the thing is we do not recognize Woody as one.

So, I'm going to wait this storm out. Maybe José finalizes his machine. Maybe he does not.
 
Gary ......Rio.......Vidic........Evra
Young ..Lindelof..smalling ..Shaw

This is our main problem in last 5 years ..we haven't really replaced them and with out best defence our attacking players can't express as much as they like to.. Also we made mistakes like lukaku ..Matic ..limiting our over all play. If we address this then Jose could win League with us
 
sp_107 said:
Gary ......Rio.......Vidic........Evra
Young ..Lindelof..Smalling ..Shaw

This is our main problem in last 5 years ..we haven't really replaced them and with out best defence our attacking players can't express as much as they like to.. Also we made mistakes like Lukaku ..Matic ..limiting our over all play. If we address this then Jose could win League with us
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So you are saying Jose made mistakes with almost every player he bought?
If lindeloff, Bailey have not been quality defenders and Matic and Lukaku have been bad buys(limiting our over all play) . Mikitaryan failed and was exchanged for Sanchez who is also failing. You are virtually saying almost all Mourinhos signings have been bad. And he still plays poor football. So we should give him more money to repeat the same thing? Or you can somehow guarantee he won’t buy poorly again?

From what you said, the only problem is clearly one person. The manager who chooses the players we buy.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Are United producing 90 minute displays? No. They haven't produced one in Mourinho's entire tenure.
Are they creating enough clear-cut chances, specifically in the penalty area? No.
Are they defensively sound? No.
Are they better than last year? No.
Are players being coached up or made to look better by a system of play? No.
Are they 1,2 players away from being an unstoppable machine? No.
Are they closer to winning the PL or CL? No.


Is Mourinho a builder? No.
Is Mourinho a unifier? No.
Is Woodward a football man? No.
Is the club setup helping to recruit the best players? No.
Will Mourinho work with a DOF? No.
Is Mourinho the future? No.

Is all this clearly visible? Yes.
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Is this a sensible post? No.
 
Slik said:
So you are saying Jose made mistakes with almost every player he bought?
If lindeloff, Bailey have not been quality defenders and Matic and Lukaku have been bad buys(limiting our over all play) . Mikitaryan failed and was exchanged for Sanchez who is also failing. You are virtually saying almost all Mourinhos signings have been bad. And he still plays poor football. So we should give him more money to repeat the same thing? Or you can somehow guarantee he won’t buy poorly again?

From what you said, the only problem is clearly one person. The manager who chooses the players we buy.
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All I am saying is we haven't bought well in last few years,with 2 or 3 game changing top class players this team could do a lot better

Yes Jose made mistakes and mangers before him too, but with same team not sure other managers can Really do better ..It can get worse ..who knows ?
 
Really hope I'm proven wrong today but I think it's indicative of Jose's tenure that he's been here for 3 years and only two of his signings are playing today, Matic and Lindelof, one who's been underwhelming this season and the other we only play because everyone is else is worse. Pogba being injured doesn't help, but we have nothing on the bench whereas our rivals have strong depth.

Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard are still regularly starting for us.. Compare it to Klopp and Guardiola who've been in charge for a similar amount of time as Jose where around half the usual starting lineups have been brought in by those two managers.
 
marktan said:
Really hope I'm proven wrong today but I think it's indicative of Jose's tenure that he's been here for 3 years and only two of his signings are playing today, Matic and Lindelof, one who's been underwhelming this season and the other we only play because everyone is else is worse. Pogba being injured doesn't help, but we have nothing on the bench whereas our rivals have strong depth.

Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard are still regularly starting for us.. Compare it to Klopp and Guardiola who've been in charge for a similar amount of time as Jose where around half the usual starting lineups have been brought in by those two managers.
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And if he didn’t play Rashford or Lingard you’d all be crying “wot about da yoof”?
 
marktan said:
Really hope I'm proven wrong today but I think it's indicative of Jose's tenure that he's been here for 3 years and only two of his signings are playing today, Matic and Lindelof, one who's been underwhelming this season and the other we only play because everyone is else is worse. Pogba being injured doesn't help, but we have nothing on the bench whereas our rivals have strong depth.

Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard are still regularly starting for us.. Compare it to Klopp and Guardiola who've been in charge for a similar amount of time as Jose where around half the usual starting lineups have been brought in by those two managers.
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That's more indicative of City's bottomless pit. Sanchez picked up a knock, still on the bench, Lukaku coming back from injury, Pogba injured. Zlatan retired. It's indicative of nothing really other than the massive gulf in class that is down to long-term management vs. no vision, and bad spending vs. corrupt spending.
 
marktan said:
Really hope I'm proven wrong today but I think it's indicative of Jose's tenure that he's been here for 3 years and only two of his signings are playing today, Matic and Lindelof, one who's been underwhelming this season and the other we only play because everyone is else is worse. Pogba being injured doesn't help, but we have nothing on the bench whereas our rivals have strong depth.

Fellaini, Rashford and Lingard are still regularly starting for us.. Compare it to Klopp and Guardiola who've been in charge for a similar amount of time as Jose where around half the usual starting lineups have been brought in by those two managers.
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What do it indicate then, that we spend poorly and not enough ? Only one of his signings today that are absent due to selection is Bailly.
 
Denis' cuff said:
And if he didn’t play Rashford or Lingard you’d all be crying “wot about da yoof”?
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Way to paint a broad brush. Obviously people who don't see Rashford and Lingard as high enough quality would not be the same ones crying that they are not starting. Today's team could walk out the tunnel in West Ham kits and no one would blink an eye. Quality is just underwhelming. We're getting high effort from low quality guys, top reds cheer it, and the Glazers and Woodward say to themselves, "huh look at that they seem happy let's keep the course."
 
Dropping Alexis and playing Fellaini-Matic combo against City’s relentless press all while Fred and Perreira left out. He’s tactically as clueless as manager can be, ship him out ASAP.
 
Rajma said:
Dropping Alexis and playing Fellaini-Matic combo against City’s relentless press all while Fred and Perreira left out. He’s tactically as clueless as manager can be, ship him out ASAP.
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Sanchez went down injured against Juventus and came off a bit later, I'd guess that's the reason he won't be playing the full 90 today.
 
Rajma said:
Dropping Alexis and playing Fellaini-Matic combo against City’s relentless press all while Fred and Perreira left out. He’s tactically as clueless as manager can be, ship him out ASAP.
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I’m not Jose’s biggest fan (I don’t want him myself) but Alexis is injured. At least do some research before making such posts.

There is only so much you can do when Pogba and Alexis are missing. Fred wouldn’t have made much of a difference today.
 
Vadim said:
I’m not Jose’s biggest fan (I don’t want him myself) but Alexis is injured. At least do some research before making such posts.

There is only so much you can do when Pogba and Alexis are missing. Fred wouldn’t have made much of a difference today.
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I think you will find Mourinho said he left Sanchez out and Pogba was injured maybe you should do some research.
 
It’s the Juventus game all over again. Despite being down, we’re barely releasing any players in attack at all. Let’s hope Mourinho has made his sacrifices to Lady Luck this morning, because the only way we’ll get anything from this game is if she bails us out for a third game running.

Great tactics.
 
sp_107 said:
All I am saying is we haven't bought well in last few years,with 2 or 3 game changing top class players this team could do a lot better

Yes Jose made mistakes and mangers before him too, but with same team not sure other managers can Really do better ..It can get worse ..who knows ?
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Tbf, add 2-3 world class players to any team, and they’d most probably do better.
 
Doesn't even matter if we eek out a jammy win today in the second half.

Sick of this shit-on-a-stick football after all the investment made. Doesn't matter what he's done in the past - he's not a good manager anymore.
 
Biggest problem for me is how technically poor we are. We're a side that essentially looks for a bit of brilliance from our individuals to get us a goal. But because we've no idea on how to build pressure through possession our playmakers and forwards rarely get good ball to work with. And when they do get that ball they've no pattern or structure in which to use that ball effectively.
 
Don't lose your head guys we've been progressing so well in terms of playing style recently.. remember that dominant performance vs Juve? lets not forget that over a bad first half here and anyway we will probably come back into this game now that we have nothing to lose by going for it.
 
Think we might creep above 30 % possession. Crushing it.

This 'style' relies way too much on luck, which is why none of the other top teams in Europe play this way. You need opposition strikers to miss loads, and for you to convert a small number of chances.

Happened w Bournemouth and Juve, but lightening unlikely to strike eithe thrice.
 
Expecting him to beat a team with £2.3 billion pounds investment is not realistic. I don't like Mourinho's approach to games but getting beat by a petro state is not something we can judge him on.
 
Minimalist said:
Doesn't even matter if we eek out a jammy win today in the second half.

Sick of this shit-on-a-stick football after all the investment made. Doesn't matter what he's done in the past - he's not a good manager anymore.
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That's where I'm at as well. There's a ceiling to his current brand of football and it's considerably lower than the level that City are currently at.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Expecting him to beat a team with £2.3 billion pounds investment is not realistic. I don't like Mourinho's approach to games but getting beat by a petro state is not something we can judge him on.
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Cool, so we should be fine against teams that cost less than our squad. Which is every team we've faced this season.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Expecting him to beat a team with £2.3 billion pounds investment is not realistic. I don't like Mourinho's approach to games but getting beat by a petro state is not something we can judge him on.
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We were 8th with 20 points & a +1GD before the game started. Can we judge him on that?

And yeah, we got embarrassed by Debry in the league cup at home.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Expecting him to beat a team with £2.3 billion pounds investment is not realistic. I don't like Mourinho's approach to games but getting beat by a petro state is not something we can judge him on.
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If only he had a team with close to 2 billion investment (if your definition of investment is every penny spent since UAE bought City in 2008).
 
Minimalist said:
Lyon beat them feck sake.
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So sad how Mourinho has lowered the bar and people haven't noticed like this guy. Does he think Barca or Madrid would go against city and or PSG and be like 'oh they are an oil club, let's give up' no.

Edit: not you minimalist, I meant the guy you quoted
 
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