I think they are quite good actually and were unlucky last night. That game wasn't decisive for them and they were a little bit more static. They ran much more at OT.
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I think they are quite good actually and were unlucky last night. That game wasn't decisive for them and they were a little bit more static. They ran much more at OT.
Oh I see. Tbh it's one game I couldn't care about the performance. Winning there and in that fashion was incredible.
I think they played worse in the second half of the first leg. They couldn't string 3 passes together, misplacing passes all over etc, but it seemed we had already made plans to bend over for them that game and didn't bother. Maybe our recent wins have just given us more belief this time around and we decided not to bend over this time around
Great win and although a little lucky to take 3 points I believe we deserved something from that game. We played well and at times some lovely attacking football, quick exchange of passing trying to break Juventus down. People saying we played bad football are blind, bias, or watched a different game.
You're right there we so many signs we could have taken the game to them second half at OT, but it was like we didn't see ourselves as their equals and couldn't muster the confidence. Different this time round! Stuck to our game plan bar the shaky period after their first goal and got what we deserved - a result!
Must be sad to be there guys that are so invested in their opinion they can't enjoy beatings one of the world's best sides. Must be tough constantly back tracking and finding excuses for winning games and players mourinho 'mistreated' reacting well
Something changed in the attack after the Newcastle game.
It's still inconsistent, but I think it showed everybody our attack is not as incoherent as it seemed under Mourinho. Maybe Lukaku being out is one of those reasons. I don't know.
There is potential still for a decent season if we keep our attack unchained.
It's still inconsistent, but I think it showed everybody our attack is not as incoherent as it seemed under Mourinho. Maybe Lukaku being out is one of those reasons. I don't know.
There is potential still for a decent season if we keep our attack unchained.
I changed my vote to option 3.
“I think I’ll stop watching the live games until he’s gone”
“He’s just never going to change”
I’ll take full ownership of those quotes and felt like they were justified at the time. I was just getting no enjoyment from watching our team play and it felt like mental torture at times.
Jose has 100% adapted his style and loosened up on some things which seems to have improved the atmosphere around the club. Players seem to be playing for him and more importantly respecting his position and Jose has compensated for this by at the very least, setting up in a way that provides some entertaining football. The whole going behind before really getting started thing is concerning but the recent results speak for themselves.
Don’t know exactly what the changes are but it seems it’s Jose who’s made them and I’m firmly back in the get behind the manager camp. I’ve enjoyed being a united fan this past 3 weeks, and that’s all I care about.
“I think I’ll stop watching the live games until he’s gone”
“He’s just never going to change”
I’ll take full ownership of those quotes and felt like they were justified at the time. I was just getting no enjoyment from watching our team play and it felt like mental torture at times.
Jose has 100% adapted his style and loosened up on some things which seems to have improved the atmosphere around the club. Players seem to be playing for him and more importantly respecting his position and Jose has compensated for this by at the very least, setting up in a way that provides some entertaining football. The whole going behind before really getting started thing is concerning but the recent results speak for themselves.
Don’t know exactly what the changes are but it seems it’s Jose who’s made them and I’m firmly back in the get behind the manager camp. I’ve enjoyed being a united fan this past 3 weeks, and that’s all I care about.
It's a pretty meaningless title to hold - City were bookies' favourites until they lost to Lyon. This morning it's City again and Barcelona's odds are now shorter too.
It's a big win away to tough opposition but treating it as a major upset is a touch OTT.
We are still sitting 7th in the league and Moyes Lvg got sacked in far better positions.
His still got to go at the end of the season. But it would be very inconsiderate of me to not want him to turn this around as the end result is obviously better for United. However this guy will never change; he’s not the man to Develop a club or start off a run of sustained success in a manor that doesn’t involve boring us to death.
Not exactly a rocket science, we just stopped playing Lukaku which instantly made us look more fluid and coherent. I see little difference in terms of tactics as we're still same reactionary team as of now but Lukaku was so detrimental to our play that simply having him out of the team makes us significantly better as Sanchez is more than capable replacement.
There are 27 games left. Moyes was in that position in April. How can you justify that being a 'far better position'?
Didn't realise Moyes and LVG were sacked in November?
How is it OTT? It quite clearly was a major upset. Juve's record at home especially in the CL group stage is sensational. No one is (seriously) saying we're now favourites to win the CL and everything is rosey in the garden again, but it was a great unexpected result.
Even though it shouldn't at this point, it still baffles me how people who claim to love football and United can be so depressive after such a result.
Surely even the most hard-line anti Mourinho fans can enjoy our recent turn of form and results. I've seen Liverpool and City fans, even Juventus fans give more praise than some of our own.
Surely even the most hard-line anti Mourinho fans can enjoy our recent turn of form and results. I've seen Liverpool and City fans, even Juventus fans give more praise than some of our own.
Think hes turned it around enough to deserve the rest of the season.
We should part ways after, i don't believe hes the man to deliver us the league or CL.
I hope he manages to scrape a top 4 place, but I can't see it being anything other than Liverpool, City, Chelsea and Arsenal.
A 3rd season without a title challenge is enough reason for change. It needs to begin with having a DoF lined up and involved in appointing a manager to work with.
We should part ways after, i don't believe hes the man to deliver us the league or CL.
I hope he manages to scrape a top 4 place, but I can't see it being anything other than Liverpool, City, Chelsea and Arsenal.
A 3rd season without a title challenge is enough reason for change. It needs to begin with having a DoF lined up and involved in appointing a manager to work with.
What a shocking comment. Juventus hit the post, bar and missed 2 sitters. They didn't have their finishing boots on tonight and we punished them for it. That's what can happen when two good teams play each other.
This idea that playing like this against City will see us lose is NONSENSE because it already happened last season. City played us off the park for 45 minutes and we came back in the 2nd half to win 3-2.
There have been some positive signs lately (massively exaggerated by his ardent fans on here, mind) and results have definitely improved. However, our style of play is still nowhere near what it should be and I feel we give the opposition far too much time and space on the ball coupled with our slow build-up play, it's something that has to change.
My feeling was that our football last season was generally poor but Mourinho would rectify it over the summer with some signings but that never materialised. Our start to the season was just terrible and the football was just atrocious. Mourinho didn't make things easy for himself either would some of the utter tripe he was coming out with and how he was coming across in general. After the West Ham game, I admit that I felt there were huge internal conflicts within the camp.
Now though, things look better, not much better but better. I'm certainly not willing to change my vote as I don't feel there is yet sufficient progress but a positive result on Sunday would be a huge push towards that. I've always liked Mourinho and up until this season he had my full support but feck me, he turned me right off him with his early season antics. A positive, forward thinking Mourinho could be good for the club but there's a long way to go for that.
My feeling was that our football last season was generally poor but Mourinho would rectify it over the summer with some signings but that never materialised. Our start to the season was just terrible and the football was just atrocious. Mourinho didn't make things easy for himself either would some of the utter tripe he was coming out with and how he was coming across in general. After the West Ham game, I admit that I felt there were huge internal conflicts within the camp.
Now though, things look better, not much better but better. I'm certainly not willing to change my vote as I don't feel there is yet sufficient progress but a positive result on Sunday would be a huge push towards that. I've always liked Mourinho and up until this season he had my full support but feck me, he turned me right off him with his early season antics. A positive, forward thinking Mourinho could be good for the club but there's a long way to go for that.
Don't hold your breath on that one.
They are still waiting, fingers and thumbs primed and ready to attack him and everything he and his players do next time we draw or get beaten.
Let's wait and see what happens after the City game. You can be sure that some of them are dying for United (their club) to loose.
I'm aware of that. My point is that we have good enough players to be able to win a game like that without acting like we've just won the entire competition.
Yet we have gained 13 points out of the last 15. Even SAF had poor starts to campaigns. Lets see how the team progresses for the rest of the season.
We never seen any improvement under Moyes and even under LVG really. At least there are clear signs of progress under Mourinho.
If you didn't feel a bit giddy and joyful after the win last night, I feel bad because its half the fun of following a sport.
I think a lot of people just want us to fail so that Mourinho gets the sack. I think their blind hatred/distain for Mourinho and them being 'right'/able to tell people 'I told you so' is more important to them than United.
People are very arrogant and stubborn in wanting to be right that they are getting angry/upset that it isn't going the way they predicted as of late.
Yeah, that's fair enough - but then again, you often do rely on the rub of the green in matches like that. Like I said, actually going out there and sweeping the floor with them was never on - so I'll take the positives I can: and one of those was - in my opinion - that we looked alright. We could've been unlucky on the night and conceded another after Juve's first, in which case it would've been game over. But it didn't happen - and we actually offered something for large parts of the match. We never outplayed them, obviously, but we didn't look like schoolboys either (which is what we did at Old Trafford). There was some fight in the players, I think - and some quality too.
Of, course, the verdict would be "not bad at all" rather than "brilliant" (the result was brilliant, though) - but that was the case against Liverpool too. Which is - in a word - legit. Or legit enough.
Let's just call a spade a spade, we have a lot of shit fans (oh no top red blah blah blah). I think i prefer the glory hunter generation to this wierd lot.
I said a couple of week ago he needed to put in a run of decent form/performances for me to want him to continue past Christmas. We're getting there but obviously some way to go, the city game aside i want us to put a run of wins together.
I'll judge him at the end of the season on actual output rather than forecasting based on my opinion like some are doing.
I'm thinking more about the media in general but it's probably also true of those citing the 'Champions League favourites' tag.
The media are all declaring it a smash and grab as far as I can see, blaming Juventus for being wasteful.
But I guess you see what you want to see, I think the majority see that we beat one of the best sides in the competition away from home and were absolutely miles better than the shit show we dished out in the home tie.
I guess that's where the difference in opinion lies. I thought we were a bit better than the home tie but still got completely dominated at times in the game.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy the win and the moment but I still have some trouble separating that from the performance, knowing it occurred almost by complete accident and would've been a routine win for Juve on most other days.
The win as it is was pure joyful, but that doesn't change any of my opinion. Yes, it was a tough European away tie and we smashed and grab like we used to do in the past.
But if it was just one game where we play with a reactive style, I could take it. We rarely take the game to the opponents until we are behind. Such style needs to produce results/trophies to be bearable. That's whats important at the end of the day. If we are not getting results,playing this way, the fans are always going to be on his back,including me.
But if it was just one game where we play with a reactive style, I could take it. We rarely take the game to the opponents until we are behind. Such style needs to produce results/trophies to be bearable. That's whats important at the end of the day. If we are not getting results,playing this way, the fans are always going to be on his back,including me.
But, that's the problem, when you reach such lows, Anything better, even the smallest change in effort, can be seen miles ahead.
If we beat City at the weekend I hope he gets a contract extension.
Old Trafford v Turin:
Possession: 39% v 45%
United pass success rate: 81% v 88%
Juve pass success rate: 89% v 85% **
** biggest difference by a mile due to us actually doing some intelligent pressing and playing like a proper football team. We also dispossessed them 14 times compared to 8, which hammers that point home even further.
We were not a "bit" better, it was night and day. Yes, we rode our luck but in the first game we simple rolled over and took it up the buttocks, the second game was a European away performance we'd have been delighted with even in the great Fergie days.
All together now
Blue moon you saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own
Blue moon, you knew just what I was there for…
Let's face it, we've had some pretty impressive results recently (albeit leaving it a bit later in games than we'd prefer).
On this basis, I've unashamedly changed by vote to give the guy some time to turn it round entirely. I actually think we can beat city on Sunday, we have it in our locker and I'm sure we'll use it.
So come on Jose, you've got me back on your side again and 3 points at the etihad will cement my support in place for the rest of the season for sure.
On this basis, I've unashamedly changed by vote to give the guy some time to turn it round entirely. I actually think we can beat city on Sunday, we have it in our locker and I'm sure we'll use it.
So come on Jose, you've got me back on your side again and 3 points at the etihad will cement my support in place for the rest of the season for sure.
I agree 100%, been saying this today and you just get labelled as 'negative and downbeat', heaven forbid we have the foresight to look at the bigger/long term picture.
If Juve hadn't of taken the lead, we would have drew 0-0, and Jose would have loved it.
As you said, if this reactionary style was the odd time then fair enough but its the majority of the time, why not play on the front foot as plan a? Isn't that what made us great.
Yes, you're all only miserable because you can see the bigger picture... That's exactly what it is... 
The bigger picture has been unraveling in front of you for weeks now, of you possessed the capability to see it, then you would. This United side is one that's in tune with its manager, fighting for him, for themselves. Many of you hoped we would lose these games because apparently, the bigger picture a month ago was that we needed to lose to get Jose sacked. That was your bigger picture.
If there's one thing I've noticed from the Jose outers, it's that they will shift those goalposts as far as they need to to. It's always just "one game" even when it's now 4 or 5 and consistent form and results.
You'll be hoping City paste us do you can post your "told you so" posts no doubt.
The bigger picture has been unraveling in front of you for weeks now, of you possessed the capability to see it, then you would. This United side is one that's in tune with its manager, fighting for him, for themselves. Many of you hoped we would lose these games because apparently, the bigger picture a month ago was that we needed to lose to get Jose sacked. That was your bigger picture.
If there's one thing I've noticed from the Jose outers, it's that they will shift those goalposts as far as they need to to. It's always just "one game" even when it's now 4 or 5 and consistent form and results.
You'll be hoping City paste us do you can post your "told you so" posts no doubt.
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