The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[sunama]

My oh my how the standards at this club have dropped.

I get what you are saying, but we are not the all-conquering MUFC. Those days are long gone.
We haven't won the league for 6 years and we are top 4 side. I know it hurts, but we have to get used to that.
I came to terms with this in the Summer, when I was absolutely certain we would spend big and go all out for the league title, when in fact we spent little, which showed the board were now content with top 4.
Jose was ready for the final push, but the the board pulled the plug.

Our focus has to be to get as high a league position as possible and when the rivals slip up, we can win the league. For me, Jose is the best person to take advantage of these slip-ups and if necessary get a series of 1-0 wins to get the title.

 

[Mainoldo]

Apparently Mourinho wasn’t at training today and everyone else was. He could of snuck in I guess.

Anyone else seen this? Sorry, can’t confirm.

Training must have been good today then. Probably practiced how to attack.

 

[sunama]

People who think Mourinho is the problem need a wake up call to the issues. There's no where to go from Mourinho, he's top quality and better options aren't available.

I agree with this and it is astounding that other people think that replacing him will magically transform us into an all-conquering outfit.
If Jose is struggling, other managers would collapse fast.
LVG and Moyes were both experienced managers and this club chewed them up and spat them out like they were rookies.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Herrera is the 3rd CB at the club when we had another CB in the damn sub's bench. We had another one at home who people argue to be our best. I dont know where Rojo is and Blind is arguablly the best defender possible to play in a back 3 - yet apparently people are believing that we played Herrera as a 3rd CB because we have nobody else available . Apparently he did that to show how bad the squad is whilst the board is watching isnt it @Bastian

Jesus christ - Jose could sleep with our partners and it would not matter. He spends ages b*tching to the media about our own players; when it happens to him - he asks for respect My lord.

 

[VP89]

I haven't, no. Still shite football, still shite results, still miles away from Europe's elite.

No offence but you might be quite slow if you didn't look at 81 points last season compared to 66 under LVG and see that as some form of improvement.

 

[AndyJ1985]

I think I've read this line about a 100 times over the last few days here. It's the go to phrase isn't it. You know what, standards have fallen. Many times. They fell when we sold Ronaldo and didn't buy quality. They fell when SAF retired and we went on to create a circus. But over the last couple of years they've been raised. But you probably haven't noticed.

@VP89 is right, you're ruining the feng shui.

The standards of this club haven't raised a damn bit. Know why? Because whenever we manage to string a few passes together or create a couple chances in a match, the reaction on here is one of amazement. That spurs first half is case in point. We lost 3-0 but I've seen people point to the first half as if it's the start of something great for us. I mean for feck sake.

 

[Borden]

No offence but you might be quite slow if you didn't look at 81 points last season compared to 66 under LVG and see that as some form of improvement.

LvG won the FA cup though. That's worth at least 20 points.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

No offence but you might be quite slow if you didn't look at 81 points last season compared to 66 under LVG and see that as some form of improvement.

And traditionally Jose has a title winning season in his second season. Guess what we had a title winning 81 points last year and his third season syndrome has already started to happen. Shows that Jose has taken the club as far as it can go - there wont be another season above 81 points; not with his ageing players and preferences for untechnical players liek fellaini and lukaku upfront but also players who try to get the best out of them like Willian and co. He has tried his best & ultimately failed. Proving that the time is different but Jose is not different.

Third season syndrome- lets not pretend its Ed's fault hat Jose is struggling whilst I no doubt that Ed should be doing a better job. However a title winning squad was made last year & we failed - because the style and players of football that our opposition use are greater than what Jose uses.

Jose out.

 

[Bastian]

Herrera is the 3rd CB at the club when we had another CB in the damn sub's bench. We had another one at home who people argue to be our best. I dont know where Rojo is and Blind is arguablly the best defender possible to play in a back 3 - yet apparently people are believing that we played Herrera as a 3rd CB because we have nobody else available . Apparently he did that to show how bad the squad is whilst the board is watching isnt it @Bastian

Jesus christ - Jose could sleep with our partners and it would not matter. He spends ages b*tching to the media about our own players; when it happens to him - he asks for respect My lord.

Selecting Herrera to be part of a back 3 was always going to be a risk. We had just seen two of our centre backs play like Sunday League footballers against Brighton and he also wanted to have a player at the back who could play the ball out, as he always offered himself to de Gea on the right. The first half was tactically spot on, we tired in the 2nd half and we made horrific defensive mistakes plus we didn't take our chances. But tactically, I thought that was as good as I could have expected. Jose said Rojo would be an option when he came back which suggests he's had some injury.

 

[VP89]

And traditionally Jose has a title winning season in his second season. Guess what we had a title winning 81 points last year and his third season syndrome has already started to happen. Shows that Jose has taken the club as far as it can go - there wont be another season above 81 points; not with his ageing players and preferences for untechnical players liek fellaini and lukaku upfront but also players who try to get the best out of them like Willian and co. He has tried his best & ultimately failed. Proving that the time is different but Jose is not different.

Third season syndrome- lets not pretend its Ed's fault hat Jose is struggling whilst I no doubt that Ed should be doing a better job. However a title winning squad was made last year & we failed - because the style and players of football that our opposition use are greater than what Jose uses.

Jose out.

You get what you give. You want Jose to come. In, give him an inferior squad, spend less money than City and expect him to win the league ahead of Pep who happily spunks 400m+ on his defence alone?

Yeah go feck off to Unicorn land if that's what you expect from any manager let alone Mourinho. Sorry to be rude but it's just bizzare you're upset he didn't deliver a title last season

 

[RedorDead21]

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Yeah go feck off to Unicorn land if that's what you expect from any manager let alone Mourinho. Sorry to be rude but it's just bizzare you're upset he didn't deliver a title last season [/QUOTE]

Thats not true is it? 400m on the defence surely not....?

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Selecting Herrera to be part of a back 3 was always going to be a risk. We had just seen two of our centre backs play like Sunday League footballers against Brighton and he also wanted to have a player at the back who could play the ball out, as he always offered himself to de Gea on the right. The first half was tactically spot on, we tired in the 2nd half and we made horrific defensive mistakes plus we didn't take our chances. But tactically, I thought that was as good as I could have expected. Jose said Rojo would be an option when he came back which suggests he's had some injury.

It doesn't matter - playing Lindelöf in a back 3 is better than playing Herrera in a back 3. The same thing is questionable for Martial when certain fans ask why he is never given the chance to start the match next to Lukaku upfront - whilst Fellaini or Lingard is played there.

Absolutely ridiculous management - Bailly would not have kept the spurs player online like Herrera did for the goal. The way Jose is organising teams is a manipulative tactic that is demoting our club - something he is doing on purpose.

Remember when he came in & moved Rashford & Martial to the wing & told everyone that he doesn't see them as strikers in his eyes. Yet he damn see's Herrera as a third CB.

Absolutely playing games with this club.

 

[VP89]

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Yeah go feck off to Unicorn land if that's what you expect from any manager let alone Mourinho. Sorry to be rude but it's just bizzare you're upset he didn't deliver a title last season

Thats not true is it? 400m on the defence surely not....?[/QUOTE]

Typo 200m+

50m a pop on Laporte Stones Mendy Walker.

32m Ederson.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

You get what you give. You want Jose to come. In, give him an inferior squad, spend less money than City and expect him to win the league ahead of Pep who happily spunks 400m+ on his defence alone?

Yeah go feck off to Unicorn land if that's what you expect from any manager let alone Mourinho. Sorry to be rude but it's just bizzare you're upset he didn't deliver a title last season

I'm not upset - the game has changed where a player like Lukaku, Sanchez at 30 years old, Willian at 31 could be our forwards & be successful for more than half a season. Same with damn matic.

José's players spending the exact same amount as Pep would be demolished by Pep in the league because one uses players like De bryune, Silva, sane, sterling in their best willing positions playing high quality technical football whilst our manager purposely goes to use Lukaku as his 80 mil striking option

You really think if Jose could buy De bryune again that he could utilise him the way Pep is doing? You think he could get a forward like fiminho to play as a false 9 alongside 2 inverted forwards like Salah & Mane

Absolutely unicorn land. He loves this Lukaku willian rubbish & I'm sorry mate - money or backing or not; that type of football doesn't even scare the bottom end of the table the way players like De bryune (remember he is a CAM not a RM Jose) & others at Liverpool & City do.

 

[VP89]

It doesn't matter - playing Lindelöf in a back 3 is better than playing Herrera in a back 3. The same thing is questionable for Martial when certain fans ask why he is never given the chance to start the match next to Lukaku upfront - whilst Fellaini or Lingard is played there.

Absolutely ridiculous management - Bailly would not have kept the spurs player online like Herrera did for the goal. The way Jose is organising teams is a manipulative tactic that is demoting our club - something he is doing on purpose.

Remember when he came in & moved Rashford & Martial to the wing & told everyone that he doesn't see them as strikers in his eyes. Yet he damn see's Herrera as a third CB.

Absolutely playing games with this club.

Balls. Lindelof can't defend for shit and he's proved it by being solely responsible for countless goals. In fact he fecked up in his cameo against Spurs by falling over in the air and allowing Kane a clear head on goal FFS. I'd take Herrera at the back over Lindelof any day of the week.

As for Rashford and Martial, they are no way shape or form ready to lead the line for a top club. That much is obvious.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

This is going to sound bizarre, because I was dead against Mourinho joining us, and hated last season, and have been dreading this season, but his reaction after the Spurs game surprised me.
Watching him encourage Luke Shaw, and praise the team for the first half display, clapping the fans, and fending off the media at the press conference impressed me.
If he can galvanise the team and get them on his side, there's no greater psychologist in the game. As a hater of Mourinho style football, I'm hoping that Monday night was the spark of a new Mourinho who can inspire the team while their backs are against the wall.
Feels odd, because I've not wanted him at our clucb, but something inside says, lets give him another season cause he might just surprise us.

 

[VP89]

I'm not upset - the game has changed where a player like Lukaku, Sanchez at 30 years old, Willian at 31 could be our forwards & be successful for more than half a season. Same with damn matic.

José's players spending the exact same amount as Pep would be demolished by Pep in the league because one uses players like De bryune, Silva, sane, sterling in their best willing positions playing high quality technical football whilst our manager purposely goes to use Lukaku as his 80 mil striking option

You really think if Jose could buy De bryune again that he could utilise him the way Pep is doing? You think he could get a forward like fiminho to play as a false 9 alongside 2 inverted forwards like Salah & Mane

Absolutely unicorn land. He loves this Lukaku willian rubbish & I'm sorry mate - money or backing or not; that type of football doesn't even scare the bottom end of the table the way players like De bryune (remember he is a CAM not a RM Jose) & others at Liverpool & City do.

The premise of your post is assumption based. "if Jose could spend as much as pep he still wouldn't deliver" is basically the jyst of it.

Except you have literally nothing to base it on and have ignored the fact that Mourinho dislodged a far better Pep side in the past once before.

 

[Gasolin]

I also don't think Jose is the problem. He may be part of it, but we're not solving anything when the players are not involved enough and willing to die for the crest.
Commitment, energy, drive and sense of sacrifice are necessary at the very high level because everyone is technically gifted (or at least, a minimum).

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Balls. Lindelof can't defend for shit and he's proved it by being solely responsible for countless goals. In fact he fecked up in his cameo against Spurs by falling over in the air and allowing Kane a clear head on goal FFS. I'd take Herrera at the back over Lindelof any day of the week.

As for Rashford and Martial, they are no way shape or form ready to lead the line for a top club. That much is obvious.

Yes because that's what Martial & Rashford should be doing when partnering Lukaku upfront. Makes sense why Fellaini is played up there so we can chest all the God damn balls that is played across the city than playing football at the ground. Apparently we want arnautovic as a back up to Lukaku is that going to win us the title mate? Is Delle alli leading the line for Kane for spurs mate? No - give martial or Rashford the role just off Lukaku & stop making Lukaku play like Drogba's cousin - we would have easily 10 more goals a season

You'd give Jose & Pep the same amount of money - there would be one team playing like horshite anyway. You can believe that to be Pep- ultimately the money is not the issue & the league is harder than it has ever been.

Jose isn't going just up against SAF & Wenger anymore - he has had Pep, Klopp, Ppchettin0, Conte, Wenger, now Sarri & emery to deal with & we clearly play the worst football having spent more money that 90% of them. Success is one thing but that's not been enough either for a manager that didn't complain about the squad at the start of the second season did it.

 

[RedorDead21]

The premise of your post is assumption based. "if Jose could spend as much as pep he still wouldn't deliver" is basically the jyst of it.

Except you have literally nothing to base it on and have ignored the fact that Mourinho dislodged a far better Pep side in the past once before.

The premise seems to be an annoyance at Jose choosing physical specimens rather than the technically more capable players who pass nice and open up defences with one swipe of the boot. He's correct on all those counts. Or Jose's coaching to make players play pretty football. He's right there as well. As a Jose fan I can pretty much hold my hand up and say there is barely one part of the team functioning as I'd expect right now and to suggest otherwise would be an insult to the capabilities of the teams he has managed to titles. Yes we are lacking in key areas and its impacting us all over the pitch but he needs to stop being a hybrid of himself, go full jose and stick to it. He's jumping around like a box of frogs after you throw a kitten in.

 

[Shinjch]

Balls. Lindelof can't defend for shit and he's proved it by being solely responsible for countless goals. In fact he fecked up in his cameo against Spurs by falling over in the air and allowing Kane a clear head on goal FFS. I'd take Herrera at the back over Lindelof any day of the week.

As for Rashford and Martial, they are no way shape or form ready to lead the line for a top club. That much is obvious.

And yet it was Mourinho who decided that 70 million should be spent on Lindelof and Bailly before benching them both for a midfielder. Giving him another 70 million for a centre half probably isn't the answer to our woes as his supporters would have you believe.

 

[VP89]

And yet it was Mourinho who decided that 70 million should be spent on Lindelof and Bailly before benching them both for a midfielder. Giving him another 70 million for a centre half probably isn't the answer to our woes as his supporters would have you believe.

Bailey isn't a waste of a transfer fee - he still has the key concepts to become a useful defender for us.

You can argue we wasted £30m on Lindelof though. Big feck. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have bought Alderwierald when every man and his dog knows he's a top defender.

 

[RedorDead21]

And yet it was Mourinho who decided that 70 million should be spent on Lindelof and Bailly before benching them both for a midfielder. Giving him another 70 million for a centre half probably isn't the answer to our woes as his supporters would have you believe.

Does Lindelof strike you as a Jose first choice.....or an Ed looking for value choice? Just profiling his physique and style of play thats all.....

And if VVD is 75m.......what kind of player do you expect to rock up for 35m......a gamble or a nailed on success story?

 

[carvajal]

I see a Mourinho out thread on here and I want to create a little home for the minority on the Caf with an opposite thread.

I don't think our situation will be rectified by sacking Jose and bringing in whoever else. I think that's seeing what's wrong with the club as being just about Jose first and foremost. It's ignoring the obvious progress we've made and wanting to start on a fourth project in just over 5 years. He's already shown he can win things. City are away from the pack clearly, they've got a brilliant manager and a squad groomed for him plus finances to improve at will. But compared to everyone else, Jose has shown - whatever you think about the style (which in my view has always been flexible mainly down to adapting to each game, sometimes appalling player's form) - he can win more games and finish higher up the table. And that with a squad that is lacking some serious balance which none of the other top teams lack.

Look at the game tonight. He makes loads of changes with some players who haven't played yet this season and he's gone with a team he trusts best. And it was evident in how we approached that first half. Loads of energy and top commitment. In the end, that scoreline flatters Spurs, though we started to crumble at the back once we got sucker punched with their second.
Those players looked to me like they were playing for the manager. And the player he's been most hard on has responded with his best United performance to date. Shaw looked better tonight than I'd first hoped he'd become.

We have Jones slipping up marking Kane, Smalling making a hash of things against Moura and Lindelof committing the worst mistake, spared total embarrassment by Dave (who reportedly has been made some derisory contract offer). Jose wanted to buy a first class centre back, think he was onto something?

We had loads of crosses in the game in great positions but they all lacked quality. That's way too often been the case, for such a long time. Jose wanted a winger, think he was onto something?

We are as totally reliant on Lukaku as Spurs are on Kane, but the difference is only one is clinical and ours isn't. 3 sitters missed in 3 games this season. Apparently Jose wanted a backup striker. If he did, he was onto something.

Every manager makes misjudgments in the market, but at the top clubs it varies quite a lot if you can afford one or two misjudgements or not. And Spurs, Liverpool and City have been building in the same direction now for years when we've had 3 different managers. I imagine a new manager will have a short-term positive effect on the morale (if Ed gets help with the decision) and then find the same problems we have with the squad now in terms of lack of quality, lack of balance and different levels of professionalism. Offering no guarantee that they'd do better, or even as well, as Jose has. And not getting the funds to really compete for major trophies.

I'm backing Jose.

of some of the issues he has to deal with:
- Pogba flirting with the idea of leaving
-Alexis playing below expectations
-Rashford slowing down his progression(or at least was my impression)
- two defenders signed last year that maybe are not so good as expected
-Martial not showing all his potential
Do you think he's in going to improve and solve some of those issues in the short term?which?
Don't you think that a new coach (whoever he is) could improve those issues? I think you base your analysis too much on the last game.
Besides how much money did he spend in two years? I do not know if all the signings were his first options but I would bet that he was involved.
On what you said about Lukaku. I think he plays with a lot of people behind the ball and has provoked himself that need.
On the levels of professionalism, you mean technical level of the staff of the club or the attitude of the players?

 

[el3mel]

And yet it was Mourinho who decided that 70 million should be spent on Lindelof and Bailly before benching them both for a midfielder. Giving him another 70 million for a centre half probably isn't the answer to our woes as his supporters would have you believe.

He got it wrong with Lindelof so what ? should we wait for a new manager to clear the deadwood of the previous one like we did with LVG instead of simply doing it now ? Lindelof will be sold by next manager and in no time we'll be forced to pay a lot for another CB. We're delaying the inevitable.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Pep wasted money on Nolito then got a direct replacement the next summer in Silva who cost them £40M+. He wasted £18M or whatever it was on Claudio Bravo then got to buy another goalkeeper the next summer for a world record fee at the time. He was allowed to go out and spend £250M+ on two centre backs and three full backs with no fuss or worry that he was wasting money. Breaking news, the very best managers get some transfers wrong. It happens. In my opinion we should've been doing everything in the summer to make sure that the squad was good enough to take the next step and win the title not worrying about if the manager has made perfect buys so far and if the board felt that Mourinho wasn't to be trusted then they should've just sacked him.

 

[sunama]

And yet it was Mourinho who decided that 70 million should be spent on Lindelof and Bailly before benching them both for a midfielder. Giving him another 70 million for a centre half probably isn't the answer to our woes as his supporters would have you believe.

So what should we do? I want to hear your solution, given the horror show which took place against Brighton 8 days earlier.

 

[sunama]

Pep wasted money on Nolito then got a direct replacement the next summer in Silva who cost them £40M+. He wasted £18M or whatever it was on Claudio Bravo then got to buy another goalkeeper the next summer for a world record fee at the time. He was allowed to go out and spend £250M+ on two centre backs and three full backs with no fuss or worry that he was wasting money. Breaking news, the very best managers get some transfers wrong. It happens. In my opinion we should've been doing everything in the summer to make sure that the squad was good enough to take the next step and win the title not worrying about if the manager has made perfect buys so far and if the board felt that Mourinho wasn't to be trusted then they should've just sacked him.

Agreed on all points.
But remember, the board don't consider the league title as something important. Top 4 is important and any manager who fails to achieve CL qualification, is instantly fired.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Pep wasted money on Nolito then got a direct replacement the next summer in Silva who cost them £40M+. He wasted £18M or whatever it was on Claudio Bravo then got to buy another goalkeeper the next summer for a world record fee at the time. He was allowed to go out and spend £250M+ on two centre backs and three full backs with no fuss or worry that he was wasting money. Breaking news, the very best managers get some transfers wrong. It happens. In my opinion we should've been doing everything in the summer to make sure that the squad was good enough to take the next step and win the title not worrying about if the manager has made perfect buys so far and if the board felt that Mourinho wasn't to be trusted then they should've just sacked him.

It is also severly overlooked that Pep had a much better starting point than Jose. City had Aguero, we had Rooney, City had Silva, we had Mata, City had De Bruyne, we had Schneiderlin.

Not an excuse for Jose but it is hard to understate how important those players plus Fernandinho are to City.

 

[WR10]

My support for Mourinho is higher than it ever has been right now. He has instilled an ‘us vs them’ mentality in the squad and has actually made us United. You can clearly see the players want to fight for him. He has made the players want to fight for the club at a time when the whole media would love nothing for us than to crumble. You can see a raging passion he has for this club right now and it matches the passion I have for the club too. We all have seen many cases where players have given up on their managers and clubs.. this is isn’t one of them.

 

[el3mel]

If anything this was the best season to chop on Lindelof and pay a lot for a new CB. We don't know with the clusterfeck of Pogba situation, Lukaku inconsistency and +10 players running their contract down next season how much we will be forced to pay the upcoming season. The next manager may very well be up to a disaster awaiting for him to solve with this incompetent board.

 

[wolvored]

I'm not a mourinho fan. The stupid thing he said about winning 3 premierships in the past. This is the man who used to take the piss out of wenger saying he was a past it manager living on old glories. However saying that you can't sack him after 3 games and expect Carrick or zidane or whoever to come in and turn the dross into prime Barça. Maybe if we are way off in December you could look at it again at the earliest, but may as well give him the season and change so the new manager can get their players in

 

[KingCana]

Hi. Wolves supporter here. Thought I'd weigh in with a view from the outside.

City are the current benchmark and if you analyse what's happened since Fergie left, it's no surprise that you are not competing with them.

It looks to me that all your current problems stem back to the 3 seasons post-Fergie and pre-Mourinho.

You spent around £390m in those 3 seasons under Moyes and Van Gaal on Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Di Maria, Blind, Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Martial (amongst others).

When Mourinho came in, he wasn't left with one player from those signings who would get into City's starting XI.

Over the same period, City spent less (around £295m), but recruited players like Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Sterling and Otamendi.

So despite spending more, Mourinho was inheriting a first XI and squad already inferior to City's.

Under Mourinho, in the 16/17 season, 17/18 season and so far this season, you have spent around £400m. More than you spent in the 3 seasons under Moyes and Van Gaal, but the way transfer fees have gone since 16/17 this is to be expected. If you compare the spending and factor in the inflation factors over that period, he's actually spent less than they did.

The signings under Mourinho have improved the overall quality of the first XI and squad. Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku and Matic would all push to get in City's team when playing at their best. Bailley might too if he wasn't injured all the time.

But over the same period, City have spent £490m, buying in players like Gundogan, Sane, Stones, Jesus, Bernardo Silva, Ederson, Walker, Laporte and Mendy.

You were already behind City when Mourinho joined and since then, City have spent more money and spent it better. With Guardiola's proven ability to improve players, they are now much further ahead of you than they were when Mourinho took over.

For all his antics and rants, Mourinho is a realist and actually quite an intelligent bloke. He will know all of this already and would have identified that to close the gap on City, you needed 5 top players, with centre back being the biggest priority. So at the start of pre-season, he gives his list to Woodward in the hope of getting them through the door, but he ends up with Dalot and Fred. Meanwhile City spend £60m on a proven Premier League performer and former winner, widening the gap further.

Bottom line is the recruitment since Fergie left has been dog-**** and if you want to catch City, you need to either spend more than anyone has ever spent in PL history, or try a different, value-based approach like Leicester did and Spurs are doing.

At the moment you are doing neither. If I were Mourinho, I'd be ****ed off too.

That doesn't excuse his behaviour, but looking in from the outside I don't know what Woodward is trying to achieve? Why give Mourinho a new long-term contract if he wasn't going to back him?

Jose is angry because he wants to win and doesn't feel that the club (and Woodward) have the same ambitions. For the manager of the richest club in the world, that must be frustrating. There's no denying that Harry Maguire and Toby Alderwiereld at CB makes your team infinitely better.

Top 4 is the best you can hope for with this collection of players. No manager in the world could win the league with your current squad so I don't see what good sacking Jose will do? Without better players, what's the point?

In before they curse you out for being a "newbie" - a top, top post. Well said.

 

[meamth]

Fans reacted to this like this is the worst period of downfall we have ever faced.

To be honest, nothing is worse than Moyes period and LVG's boring United. Mourinho entertained me, not most of the times..but when he delivered, I'm entertained.

Get behind the team, it's too late for a change now.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Agreed on all points.
But remember, the board don't consider the league title as something important. Top 4 is important and any manager who fails to achieve CL qualification, is instantly fired.

Exactly. It was like they came to the conclusion that our squad is good enough to get top four and just accepted that City were going to win the title again. Their ambition didn't match Mourinho's in the summer.

 

[Smores]

He got it wrong with Lindelof so what ? should we wait for a new manager to clear the deadwood of the previous one like we did with LVG instead of simply doing it now ? Lindelof will be sold by next manager and in no time we'll be forced to pay a lot for another CB. We're delaying the inevitable.

I'm 100% sure that all those who said he has to use what we've got will say the same if Poch comes in the summer. I mean they can't be total idiots completely unable to spot their own contradictions, no not this bunch

 

[Tom Van Persie]

It is also severly overlooked that Pep had a much better starting point than Jose. City had Aguero, we had Rooney, City had Silva, we had Mata, City had De Bruyne, we had Schneiderlin.

Not an excuse for Jose but it is hard to understate how important those players plus Fernandinho are to City.

He definitely did. The foundation was already laid for Pep with the likes of Txiki being upstairs having the final say on transfers.

 

[Scooby131313]

I agree with this and it is astounding that other people think that replacing him will magically transform us into an all-conquering outfit.
If Jose is struggling, other managers would collapse fast.
LVG and Moyes were both experienced managers and this club chewed them up and spat them out like they were rookies.

If we think we can do better then Jose. We are heading for a big reality check.
Jose is a brilliant manager but any manager needs resources. Klopp insisted he would never spend big... enough said. Pep changed his mind on keepers and defenders as if he was shopping for pants at 50mil a time.

The media.. other clubs... other fans are trying to break us. They know what Jose can really do and hope he doesn't succeed because if he does..... We will be rock solid with flare and a master tactician for a manager.

 

[In Rainbows]

If we think we can do better then Jose. We are heading for a big reality check.
Jose is a brilliant manager but any manager needs resources. Klopp insisted he would never spend big... enough said. Pep changed his mind on keepers and defenders as if he was shopping for pants at 50mil a time.

The media.. other clubs... other fans are trying to break us. They know what Jose can really do and hope he doesn't succeed because if he does..... We will be rock solid with flare and a master tactician for a manager.

There is no point in being scared of the unknown. What we do know is we're not good enough with Jose.

For all this talk of Klopp needing to spend, he challenged for a big title by getting to the CL final before he spent money on Fabinho, Allison, and before Keita was brought in. The excuses are tiring.

 

[Sayros]

If we think we can do better then Jose. We are heading for a big reality check.
Jose is a brilliant manager but any manager needs resources. Klopp insisted he would never spend big... enough said. Pep changed his mind on keepers and defenders as if he was shopping for pants at 50mil a time.

The media.. other clubs... other fans are trying to break us. They know what Jose can really do and hope he doesn't succeed because if he does..... We will be rock solid with flare and a master tactician for a manager.

Sure, it's all the media and other clubs, it's never Jose's fault. If only you were heading for a reality check and realized this club is still asking the same questions it's been asking since before he took over three years ago. The other two managers you've mentioned have shown a progress that Mourinho hasn't been capable of showing since before he even took over this job.