You do realise this is a message board right? The people 'bashing the team' aren't shouting their thoughts down the players/manager's letterbox. What is written on here has no consequence of what happens on the pitch, so let everyone express themselves how they wish without claiming to be a better fan than them.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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You do realise this is a message board right? The people 'bashing the team' aren't shouting their thoughts down the players/manager's letterbox. What is written on here has no consequence of what happens on the pitch, so let everyone express themselves how they wish without claiming to be a better fan than them.
Do you think this internet world we have here is separate from reality? How do you think it would affect the team if we filled the stands with moaners?
I think that these are two different context, at the stadium you cheer and watch the game, you are not there to comment or try to analyze/discuss. A football forum is a place where you share your thoughts, they might be positive, negative or biased it's not really important, the only thing that matters is their honesty. Someone can be wrong and still honest, that's respectable and should lead to conversations.
I don't know if I buy that. I'm talking about the match threads where people start being negative after 5 minutes and criticise every bad move the players make. That's not about analysis, it's about watching and cheering your team on. I doubt that they wouldn't do the same thing if they were at the game.
Regarding the forum and discussions. The problem right now is that there are two camps that have views which are so far apart, that it's difficult to have a conversation without emotions taking over. The bias on both sides doesn't help either.
How do you think it would affect the forum if we filled the threads with just George Best songs? This forum is not Old Trafford and vise versa. That is reality and it appears you're really struggling to comprehend it.
There are fans in the Stretford end who clapped the team off yesterday that also hold the same views as 'the moaners' on here or on fulltimedevils, you can support and criticise at the same time - Old Trafford is a place to support; here is a place to openly discuss the team in depth.
And you don't have access to what the 70k people in Old Trafford think, that's the main difference on the board you see what people think because they write it, it doesn't mean that they don't support the team. At the exception of the aiming for losses in order to see the manager sacked. At the stadium people will do what you did yourself, they will cheer and sometimes react negatively and call a player a clown, it doesn't mean that they/you don't support the players and the team.
You made it sounds like our players are deadwood like what LVG brought in. I think there is big chance we can see different results because our current players are actually good quality players. Everyone know that both Pogba & Matic should be better players than Dier & Dembele, two players who are behind Henderson & Fellaini, and manager like Pochettino somehow able to make those two better than what we got. We paid lot of money on our attackers. Centre back might be the problem but you don't get the most clean sheet last season with useless. Jose just need to find a way to change it, could be his tactic or his man management to motivate his players. Or find his best XI and don't make too many rotation.
It's official. Mou will be sacked if he doesn't get THREE points against Burnley.
Official in your imagination?
On Football Manager? The board is very angry with Jose? He's been a bad boy?
Daily Mail.
What are you? A tabloid?
Ah feck, it’s true!
Ah, the Daily Mail. Official spokespaper of the Man Utd board. Guess it's true then.
Oh god we're not on TV again on Sunday are we? It's like a car crash that you can't look away from.
Seems we have those "cut me and pitchfork will pop up" type running around.
Jose Mourinho should stay put atleast till the end of season.
Get a technical director in place for the transfer mess.
At the end of the season have a relook at the Managerial position.
No other manager can do better with this group of players than last seasons 2nd place.
Get a technical director in place for the transfer mess.
At the end of the season have a relook at the Managerial position.
No other manager can do better with this group of players than last seasons 2nd place.
I agree. Mourinho has done some good things but a) I haven't seen the imprint of greatness in his impact on this team. We don't look like a top team in the making for me. And if it's not about already being a top, it has to at least be about that. 2nd/3rd/4th - I couldn't give much of a feck. b) Our football isn't fit for a football club of this stature. c) he doesn't get enough out of/elevate our players enough for me.
If Jose was mainly concerned with holding on to his managerial position he would approach every game like the Spurs game with that high press and intensity. There would be losses and draws that a more pragmatic approach could avoid, but it would lay bare our flaws, as it did against Spurs. And when we'd win we'd win in more style appeasing loads of people who are currently very unhappy.
I think the pragmatic approach disguises the significant flaws in the team which calls into question the ambition of the board. Maybe he should stop disguising our flaws and give the people "what they want".
I think the pragmatic approach disguises the significant flaws in the team which calls into question the ambition of the board. Maybe he should stop disguising our flaws and give the people "what they want".
Totally agree
My thoughts exactly.
One thing I did notice is that many people who want him sacked now, hated him in the first place.
My suspicion is that even if we won the treble, many people on this forum would want him sacked.
I for one, would like to see what he can do this season, given the miserable position we are currently in and also to see if he can get our defenders to defend and not make school boy errors.
He will be worried about going all-out attack because as we saw against Spurs, none of our defenders are skillful enough to defend without major protection from midfield.
Oh and I am firmly Jose In.
If/when I turn though, it will be brutal.
I'd say that Martial was taking his chances despite Mourinho's treatment in the first half of last season. Then both him and Mourinho bombed.
If he gave people what they want, we'd finish mid-table and he'd get fired.
The next manager would come in, play attacking football, then realise our defenders suck, then he too, would go defensive.
We are hanging onto low quality defenders and while we continue to do this, we won't be able to play attacking football and finish top 4.
I can't believe how bad our defenders are, at defending. It really shocked me, when they were asked to defend against Spurs and got torn apart.
Exactly, who the feck wants to be around people who constantly moan? No one
Providing some negative analysis with some substance is fine and actually of interest but when its just venting moans and insults, who do these people actually think wants to read this shit? It's just anti-social behaviour, no one wants to know your exact opinion on every matter if it's just the same as everyone elses.
I'm probably just gonna request a temporary ban which would be the first time I've done so. I'd happily engage if we were allowed leniency to criticise posters as well as posts but safe place and all that.
I think you have a point and it might just open the eyes of many.
He meant 2 years - though 2 years is still a long time to not be at the level of Spurs.
I still back Jose, 100%, but I do find it strange that we got beat so comprehensively, by Spurs the other night.
Jose needs to demonstrate why he rates himself as the best in the business. Fast.
So we should stand by someone whose not making the best out of the players he has until some dude with 4 billion lying around comes and buys the club..
We don't know the full story of this, mate. From listening and reading what the media is saying it seems that the board are looking to bring in players that will have a sell on value, where Mourinho was looking for a quick fix with players over 30 preferred by him.
Don't know if this is the real problem or not, but if it is you can see the Board's side of things might be best.
No. Just moved to Sunday because Burnley playing in Europa League.
Show me a manager who can win the title with the current squad.
Big Jose fan but an attacking coach would be better for this team at keeping the ball away from our defensive line. A possession attacking coach even more so. You seen how we had to go high press against spurs as Jose's attempt to ease the defensive pressure. Not exactly his normal game, defo not our approach under him...and it showed...now does he continue doing that and change his entire philosophy or does he revert back to 2 holding mids infront of a back 4.....personnel is killing jose right now. I think he's running out of ideas because quite frankly I can't think of a worse manager in charge of a team who have no good defenders. At least Klopp and Liverpool last season had amazing attacking flair to hide the issues more often than not.....Jose now has to build a team from the front to replicate that after planning to do the opposite!
He might as well go down fighting and stick Sanchez up alongside Lukaku.
..................Lukaku
.........Sanchez.......Lingard
..........Pogs.......Matic......Fred......
Shaw.......Smalling......Bailly......Valencia
.......................DDG
Jose with Toby and a world class right winger
Well.... yes!
Mourinho in. 100%
He’s going to get the full-season until it’s impossible to get top 4 or it gets completely ridiculous like his final season at Chelsea. Look at how long we stuck with that utter clown LVG. He won’t walk like he did the first time at Chelsea.
He’s not getting anywhere near the best out of the team. Practically every player is underperforming/unhappy/not confident and it’s been like that for ages. Saying no other manager could do better is complete and utter garbage. A competent manager could challenge for the league having spent £300m.
Eamon Holmes said he wanted Sean Dyche on Talksport after the Brighton game.
To clarify, I'm not talking about every fan who isn't happy with our football and is against Mourinho. I'm talking about those who are over the top negative all the time, even when we are playing well. Look at the poster I was arguing with today. Through the whole first half against Spurs, he only had negative comments, while we were completely dominating them. I'm pretty sure that there are those who are actively wishing that we lose "for a greater good". I should say, I'm positive that this is the case because one just said it to me recently.
This is just a minority of fans that act like this, like spoiled brats, and I'm sure that they don't represent our fanbase. Although the number has been growing for a while.
The bolded part, the key word is sometimes. There has to be a measure to it.
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