The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Andycoleno9 said:
Debate is between two(or more) people who use objective facts or opinions with arguments. You are a wum who is just litellary making shit up so debating with people like you is waste of time. You said that some people have you on ignore. Because you are so good in debating? Yeah right..
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I wouldnt put much effort in debating with him. He's either a wum or a closet oppo fan or both.
I mean FC Mourinho stuff. He wants to debate but writes childish posts and is proud with the fact people have him on ignore.
 
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So Ed would give all the money possible to Jose. That kind of doesn't go along with his briefings in which he judged about the quality of the team and the players Jose wants.
 
GM K said:
Lots of insinuations in your post.
Was it really Jose's instructions to them not to press and to show Juventus too much respect? From some of his post match comments, one could deduce he preferred they had approached the game differently from a tactical and attitudinal perspective. I can go on and on but that is besides my point. Jose deserves sticks and he gets them but people also, for whatever reasons, often don't assess our current situation holistically. I am convinced that a major reason we are where we are this season is our failure to do business in the Summer. The reality of the modern game is that top teams have to keep on spending well to win even though spending is not the only thing that wins you trophies.
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Of course it is man of course it is. We're in the 3rd season. If he told the team to press they would've pressed by now and effectively. It's not part of his game plan hence why we didn't press.
We didn't try and that's why some fans were frustrated but he came out with a whole host of excuses post match as to why we can't compete .one of the big reasons is his tactical approach. We won't achieve anything in the big European games with such a mindset regardless of how much money is spent. Our embarassing exit to Seville is a proof of this.
Jose never understood United and that's why this season will be his last in charge. He never understood United because we as fans don't mind losing games but it's the way we lose games. A SAF led team would never go out with a whimper. When the team outclassed us like Barcelona did in 2009/2011 we can hold our hands up and say the opponent was miles better but there's no team today that plays like Barcelona 2011 - not even the current Barcelona. We should be able to compete against any team but we're being held back.
 
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So Ed would give all the money possible to Jose. That kind of doesn't go along with his briefings in which he judged about the quality of the team and the players Jose wants.
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Go on then. So what’s your actually point from that statement?
 
abdo99 said:
Of course it is man of course it is. We're in the 3rd season. If he told the team to press they would've pressed by now and effectively. It's not part of his game plan hence why we didn't press.
We didn't try and that's why some fans were frustrated but he came out with a whole host of excuses post match as to why we can't compete .one of the big reasons is his tactical approach. We won't achieve anything in the big European games with such a mindset regardless of how much money is spent. Our embarassing exit to Seville is a proof of this.
Jose never understood United and that's why this season will be his last in charge. He never understood United because we as fans don't mind losing games but it's the way we lose games. A SAF led team would never go out with a whimper. When the team outclassed us like Barcelona did in 2009/2011 we can hold our hands up and say the opponent was miles better but there's no team today that plays like Barcelona 2011 - not even the current Barcelona. We should be able to compete against any team but we're being held back.
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Football is not as straightforward as that mate. There are many times managers want players to play in a certain way but they just don't or can't. I am not saying you are wrong but I am saying you might be wrong. The reality is that we don't really know. In that same game, they pressed hard in the last 25 minutes of the second half. Was that due to Jose suddenly saying 'press' or the players just deciding to do their own thing? Again we don't really know. But it is okay to blame the manager. That's fine and normal in football. I have no problem with that. My original point however, was that when Jose deserves the knock, knock him and when he deserves some credit, he shouldn't be denied. That for me, is balanced analysis.
 
GM K said:
Football is not as straightforward as that mate. There are many times managers want players to play in a certain way but they just don't or can't. I am not saying you are wrong but I am saying you might be wrong. The reality is that we don't really know. In that same game, they pressed hard in the last 25 minutes of the second half. Was that due to Jose suddenly saying 'press' or the players just deciding to do their own thing? Again we don't really know. But it is okay to blame the manager. That's fine and normal in football. I have no problem with that. My original point however, was that when Jose deserves the knock, knock him and when he deserves some credit, he shouldn't be denied. That for me, is balanced analysis.
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When the manager has been here for 3 years then it is him that is giving the instructions, same thing happened with sevilla last year.
 
GM K said:
Football is not as straightforward as that mate. There are many times managers want players to play in a certain way but they just don't or can't. I am not saying you are wrong but I am saying you might be wrong. The reality is that we don't really know. In that same game, they pressed hard in the last 25 minutes of the second half. Was that due to Jose suddenly saying 'press' or the players just deciding to do their own thing? Again we don't really know. But it is okay to blame the manager. That's fine and normal in football. I have no problem with that. My original point however, was that when Jose deserves the knock, knock him and when he deserves some credit, he shouldn't be denied. That for me, is balanced analysis.
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My issue is that if he wanted to press we would've seen that right from the beginning and you'd expect in the 3rd season to have a team which can do this.
The team pushed hard like you're saying in the 2nd period but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Every team will try hard and throw caution to the wind when they're losing. If we do score we go straight back to what we were doing before. The patterns we saw against Chelsea. Or Newcastle.
The only thing I'll credit him for is dropping lukaku and even that took too long. But our way of playing is absolutely his responsibility.
 
GM K said:
Easy to say all that from a couch.
Shaw was lazy and Martial was inconsistent. No matter how much we wax lyrical about their performances today, those were the realities most of last season and Martial's handling of his baby's issue in preseason messed things up for him early this season. His agent also never helped matters for a long time with the constant transfer remarks and rumours.

And people can hang Jose now for Sanchez's performances all they want. He deserves it because that is the way modern football is. But the fact is that very few people could have foreseen Sanchez performing so averagely or not turning his form around quickly. We are talking about one of the very best attackers in recent Premier League history. When you sign that kind of player, you believe he will transform your team and you will keep giving him a chance yo do so.
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These are myths created by Jose, Shaw had a very bad injury but played well last season when Young got himself suspended. Then as soon as Young was available he got dropped, Martial was very consistent before we bought Sanchez then Jose took him out the team and gave his spot to Sanchez.
 
R'hllor said:
Wait we are talking about 50 games Young as something unclear? Wonder would JM accept if they told him that if he really wanted TA, he should sell Smalling, Jones first, keep Axel and then get new CB. Same goes for FB, sell Valencia, keep TFM as backup and get new RB. Might be wrong but i doubt it.
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As a big club, you typically buy before selling (or at least have an agreement in place for one before doing the other.) To sell before buying is to back ourselves into a corner in which we have no choice than to buy, and the selling club can then extort this to the fullest.

Having 4 CBs in the squad is normal and we currently have Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Rojo and Jones. I doubt any manager would have a problem selling Rojo and Jones if a quality CB has been brought in or lined up. But he would be stupid to agree to sell Smalling who is one of the serviceable ones, particularly when there is no certainty on how the new CB will perform. Axel should not even be in this conversation - there is no evidence that he is ready to play consistently to play at this level, when he cant secure a loan move to a PL side.

Same for the fullback - its fair to have two on the squad and if a new and better fullback was brought in, Mourinho would likely part with Damian and Valencia/Young.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
These are myths created by Jose, Shaw had a very bad injury but played well last season when Young got himself suspended. Then as soon as Young was available he got dropped, Martial was very consistent before we bought Sanchez then Jose took him out the team and gave his spot to Sanchez.
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That's true for Martial, but not for Shaw. Managers before Jose had mentioned about Shaw's mentality not being right. Perhaps Shaw did need an abrasive manager like Jose to buckle down and work hard.

For sure, Jose was unfair with Martial.
 
Vadim said:
Yep.

We will win on Sunday. Then we’ll have someone here start a thread “let’s go on a run now” or something hilariously similar. Then we draw at Bournemouth, get battered by City - the Top Reds will then come out with “But look at the money Pep has spent!”

Rinse repeat.

I get zero enjoyment from United under Jose and haven’t for ages. For me, Utd is a pastime, a hobby. It’s not my life. My wife and kids are my life. Utd is something that I turn to escape at the end of a long, tiring week. When I lived in the UK, yeah Utd were my life. But I’m older now and have commitments, so my ‘hobbies’ should bring me some kind of joy.

But these days, Utd feels like work, like a chore. And it’s not all on the manager but the club would certainly be bright tee without his depressing aura surrounding it.
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My predictions are becoming too accurate. Except I don’t even think we will draw today now.
 
Vadim said:
My predictions are becoming too accurate. Except I don’t even think we will draw today now.
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Yup, entirely predictable and an utterly tiresome cycle to be stuck in.

He’s failing miserably by every single measure, yet he gets to stick around and spew his venom and belittle the club and players at every chance in an attempt to protect his own reputation. The mind boggles.
 
Come on, be fair. Howe inherited a much better side than Mourinho, and the board have backed him fully. How can you expect Mourinho to compete with this?
 
Cloud7 said:
Come on, be fair. Howe inherited a much better side than Mourinho, and the board have backed him fully. How can you expect Mourinho to compete with this?
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Yeah, great point! We simply can’t expect to compete against the likes of Bournemouth with the squad we’ve got, and the shoestring budget Mourinho has to work with.
 
Cloud7 said:
Come on, be fair. Howe inherited a much better side than Mourinho, and the board have backed him fully. How can you expect Mourinho to compete with this?
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@Ramshock (not picking on you, you always come to mind) I would be interested in your thoughts on us consistently not being able to go at least toe to toe with the likes of Bournemouth?

Is this still due to ‘Jose not being backed’?

I just don’t see what positives there are anymore for keeping Jose? Just so we’re not looked as a sacking club? Because that’s just silly.
 
Cloud7 said:
Come on, be fair. Howe inherited a much better side than Mourinho, and the board have backed him fully. How can you expect Mourinho to compete with this?
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Spot on

How can the board expect us to finish top 6 or beat southern giants like Bournemouth without backing him fully?

He appropriately needs an extra 100m to compete against the mighty likes of Derby and Brighton Hove Albion. Its absolutely disgraceful of Ed and co not to realize this
 
Don't worry lads...another 100m in the winter window and we're back in business to compete for a Europa league spot.
 
The results are actually secondary at this point (and those are well below par).

I just hate how he’s solidified us (slowly but surely since he arrived) as one of the most boring and limited/poor teams in the league despite spending a fortune. A team that neutrals would probably choose to watch paint dry instead.
 
Scraping by the team bottom of the league at home and beating a pretty meh Everton side 2-1 at home is enough for some on here. I guess that’s the level Mourinhos cultists think is acceptable.
 
I think Itachi Uchiha is real and we're actually stuck in Izanagi. Stuck in a loop. 3 managers in a row.
 
Jose has to go

There seems to be no hunger or desire from the players. No urgency or care.

Only when they go behind do they seem to pick up. This is down to the manager. Jose obviously tells them to play simple and not do anything rash. Go behind and the shackles come off

Its been like this since LVG. Its a european mindset
 
Can't wait to hear his excuses after the match.
 
Jose wanted Martial sold and now he is hoping Martial to save his arse. We need to let José go ASAP.
 
I don't have time to argue with anyone.
Jose Mourinho is responsible for our approach to games.
 
We may as well get away and win this game at the end due to quality of players at the disposal but bloody hell we’re going nowhere as there’s literally no coaching to be seen, just chaos.
 
Rolaholic said:
Spot on

How can the board expect us to finish top 6 or beat southern giants like Bournemouth without backing him fully?

He appropriately needs an extra 100m to compete against the mighty likes of Derby and Brighton Hove Albion. Its absolutely disgraceful of Ed and co not to realize this
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especially since he also has to worry about Brexit and the weather! And don't forget the media witchhunt. How should he beat mighty Bournemouth then without spending 100m? Impossible. Poor Jose.
 
His multi-million pound team (half of which he bought; others don’t make the bench) being pulled apart and comprehensively outplayed by Ryan Fraser and Junior Stanislas et al.

Why the hell didn’t we buy Yerry Mina?
 
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