On the wall for me back again after i wanted him out recently. I could see a different Martial today, one who is willing to track back and help out the team and also easily our best attacker also. Jose loves players who does what he asked for even if they didn't have a great day but put in a effort which shows Martial is doing what has been asked of him well. Shaw is one more player who seems resurrected from dead this season. That's two good players playing well for us. Pogba has been mostly amazing this season. Fred today added energy into our midfield and technicality. Lindeloff seems to be backing around being more authoritative and partnering smalling well. There is lot of good going around our team and i'm happy to give him time till the end of season.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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We still would have been 10th and for the 5th summer running we’d be buying a starting CB.
Maybe Martial is just young and inconsistent. How about that. He didn’t work any extra harder than he did against Chelsea or Newcastle. Only difference against Juve we was just sitting back. He still had a stinker though.
Jose deserves many criticisms he is getting here but he is also not getting many credits he deserves. Like I often say, if the manager gets the blame for poor team performances, then it is only fair that the manager gets the credit for good team performances.
This team is looking better. I enjoy the games much more, even when we have dropped points. We just need to be stronger in defence and get a few players in the squad to improve their form.
Even if he is eventually asked to leave, I want to see Jose survive this 'storm' and prove he is still one of the best in the business. He is clearly trying to change.
This team is looking better. I enjoy the games much more, even when we have dropped points. We just need to be stronger in defence and get a few players in the squad to improve their form.
Even if he is eventually asked to leave, I want to see Jose survive this 'storm' and prove he is still one of the best in the business. He is clearly trying to change.
I love coming to this thread and it’s not to follow the exchanges - the good, the bad and the ugly often found on any given page! The real reason is to see the stats and more recently the decimal place movement according to last result. I recon get a win against Bournemouth and we could get Jose out % to under 70% 
What would he be getting credit for though?. He is in his third season , The team is 8th and well off the pace. If he’d just got on with it from the start of the season I doubt we would be in this position, the praise will come when he can win six or seven games out of eight not two.
So you think jones, smalling and rojo are acceptable then?
Still feel he has to go. I feel we deliver and build more momentum with these players if used right.
Even if he dropped Lukaku and Matic, and we suddenly started creating more chances and winning by a slightly higher margin, nothing will change my mind with him.
He's playing Martial because he has no choice. I don't feel he should deserve credit for playing him. There are some talented young players like Greenwood, Laird and Gomes which I feel will be wasted under Mourinho's watch.
We need a manager who can build on the players we already have and buy the essential players on top.
I feel we are just as far from the title as we are close to the title. I know that doesn't right. But this group of players is a mouldable and coachable bunch. If handled correctly can challenge (plus a few essential buys).
Mourinho is not the man.
Even if he dropped Lukaku and Matic, and we suddenly started creating more chances and winning by a slightly higher margin, nothing will change my mind with him.
He's playing Martial because he has no choice. I don't feel he should deserve credit for playing him. There are some talented young players like Greenwood, Laird and Gomes which I feel will be wasted under Mourinho's watch.
We need a manager who can build on the players we already have and buy the essential players on top.
I feel we are just as far from the title as we are close to the title. I know that doesn't right. But this group of players is a mouldable and coachable bunch. If handled correctly can challenge (plus a few essential buys).
Mourinho is not the man.
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As acceptable as Otamendi, Mustsfi, Lovern and Rudiger.. yes.
That’s not an answer. Either you think they are good enough and Jose is wasting time trying to replace them, or they’re not good enough and Jose is right to get more defenders to replace them. You can’t have it both ways.
I can have it both ways because Bailly is good enough and this defence conceded the Least goals in the league last season.
Could we have improved yes. But for the uproar it has caused. Absolute joke!
More positive today but there's still a long way to go before I feel he deserves to stay.
It makes me laugh that if Jose had his way, the 2 guys in Pogba/Martial that are saving his ass would be sold by now.
It makes me laugh that if Jose had his way, the 2 guys in Pogba/Martial that are saving his ass would be sold by now.
So you think smalling, Jones and rojo are good enough then? Yes or no, it’s a very simple question. Why you avoiding it?
Emery and Klopp have/are making do with worse
People have been fooling themselves for almost three years now. Remember September when we were playing attacking footy and Lukaku mentioned how we'd see the real United?
More avoidance. Good enough, yes or no?
Obviously yes because craper players are doing better in the league.
Ok, thanks for the answer.
Oh and on you’re other point of our defensive record last season, IMO, we were parking the bus a lot last season. So I find it no coincidence that our adventures in trying to become more attacking this season has left us wide open at the back. Just my opinion of course.
Well maybe we should park the bus more because this guy can’t coach attacking football with these players and real we should be competing for the title. He should have stuck to what gets him results.
The fans would have moaned either way. But atleast he could have showed us the finger at the end of the season.
Can’t argue with that. He does seem to be changing things due to criticism.
Frankly I don't see much difference in what we did against Everton. Seemed mostly to be down to playing different attackers and Fred. And we still won due to a soft penalty and a moment of brilliance. A few other chances created but lost control of the match again shortly after going 2 up. Not good enough.
It's self-serving bollocks from LVG. In what way was he not backed?
Of course it’s not good enough. At this point there’s no doubt that Mourinho on a whole has not been good enough, and with his relationship with the club management, the boring style of football etc, I can’t see him being our manager next season.
At this point I think it just comes down to will he be sacked during the season or will we part ways next summer. If we continue to manage to pick up points and claw our way into the top 4, then he will get his stay of execution, as much as I believe he should have been fired a while ago. This could turn upside down very quickly, as losses to Bournemouth and City could easily see us in the bottom half of the table, with our currently stellar GD of zero going back into the negative.
He seems to be clinging on on a game by game basis, which doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but that’s clearly how the club is judging things right now, so we just have to wait and see what happens.
Yep agree. I've seen a few comments that he approached the game differently today and I just don't think he did in terms of how the team was coached etc. He just played different players and that can only make so much difference but won't be nearly enough to match the better teams.
One can only hope that the club is taking the time to properly find a replacement for him in accordance with a longer term vision. The signs right now aren't very optimistic though.
At the end of the day whatever you think of the manager if he wins we all win.
I believe we need a change but I'm not 100% convinced doing it right now would be the best idea. I think we'd be well advised to try and get to the end of the season with Mourinho and then see who's available. I don't think that'll happen I think the 3 or 4 bad results on the bounce now could be enough to trigger a change but who knows?
I believe we need a change but I'm not 100% convinced doing it right now would be the best idea. I think we'd be well advised to try and get to the end of the season with Mourinho and then see who's available. I don't think that'll happen I think the 3 or 4 bad results on the bounce now could be enough to trigger a change but who knows?
Yeah I don’t see it either. What I see is an in form Martial doing what everyone knows he is capable of, rather than Sanchez stinking the place out. Rashy playing and actually making some runs and giving the defense something to think about and pulling players out of position, rather than the static clay statue....sorry Lukaku. Play Fred and the midfield will become more attacking because he is an inherently positive player. Pogba has impressed as he has all season. It’s just been more of the same, the only difference is the more useful players are playing and *shock horror* the team looks a bit better, but I still don’t see any semblance of a properly coached attack or any change of tactics, it’s all the same as it’s been before.
The biggest difference to the team, and what has saved Mourinho, has been Martial finding some form.
What about anyone reasonable enough to look at our football, current league position and general output in relation to the attacking quality of our squad?
Though there’s a certain amusing irony in the two players almost duel-handedly keeping Jose in his job week after week being the very same two he was apparently overridden in selling by our evil, devious board* after going to almost comic extents to needlessly alienate them.
*who I’m not remotely excusing either fwiw
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Martial finding form and Pogba playing well. Still think Sanchez can be good for us if used in a role that doesn't accentuate his weaknesses, i.e. his lack of pace and accuracy of passing. I mean, don't play him as a traditional winger
. Would try him upfront and Rash as a right-sided forward. Martial has the LW nailed down.He is young and inconsistent no denying that. We see only certain aspects in actual games and most of the time goes in the training. Maybe Martial is showing more of what jose wants during training. It was very visible today his defensive contribution , much more than what i have seen from him before. Eitherway my point was that Mourinho will allow people to have a bad day if they are showing signs of helping the team move backward and forward and i think Martial is realizing that. Long may it continue.
Perfect time for Ed to thrash out a deal with Jose to leave us and re-join Real Madrid. He gets to leave without an ego-crushing sacking, we get a fresh start under a new Manager and Real Madrid get their contingency. WIN-WIN-WIN.
However, in reality, as stubborn as I am in my view that Mourinho just isn't right for our club he does seem to be guiding us through this tough run of fixtures without any real embarrassment, so as long as we beat Bournemouth and don't get annihilated by City/Juventus then I can live with him sticking around until top 4 is gone and we don't have to pay him an undeserved severance package.
However, if we're pointless in the Bournemouth, Juventus and City matches then I think he's gone by the forthcoming international break. I always maintained this was the marker for any potential sacking anyway.
However, in reality, as stubborn as I am in my view that Mourinho just isn't right for our club he does seem to be guiding us through this tough run of fixtures without any real embarrassment, so as long as we beat Bournemouth and don't get annihilated by City/Juventus then I can live with him sticking around until top 4 is gone and we don't have to pay him an undeserved severance package.
However, if we're pointless in the Bournemouth, Juventus and City matches then I think he's gone by the forthcoming international break. I always maintained this was the marker for any potential sacking anyway.
We need 15 wins on traught not just 6-7
What do you mean by this?
Well, what Jose did vs Juventus was shameful. His methods of not pressing opponents in their own half against big sides costing us every big game with 30% of the ball when our defense can not be efficient with his reactive tactics. Trying to knick a 1-0 win should not be in our playbook specially at home. Also his selection was not perfect vs juventus. Fred who can cover more ground and help out where pogba and matic struggle in the middle should have played the other day.
Okay, juventus have got great defenders but we just gave too much respect to them, its not like they don't concede goals from top attacking teams.
Not getting a defender in, he is trying to prove a point to the board by choice of his tactics. Our defense in not that bad that it can turn out from being the second best to absolute shambles we have had this season. Also his over reliance and ignorance of Matic performances is baffling. Matic is the one who needs a hair dryer treatment for his shocking contrast in performances from last season and he keeps on blaming it on defenders when he has done little to protect them.
Instead of constantly using the media to criticize our CBs or praise opposition teams' scouts or CBs, he should just let two of our best CBs play and let them find consistency instead of chopping and changing every games.
He kind of is just playing Smalling and Lindelof now though isn’t he? Only now are people saying Lindelof is good, before people would swear Bailly was our best CB...
Why should he get any credit? He is finally playing the team that the fans have been begging him to do so since last year. "One of the best in the business" shouldnt have taken that long to realize realise that Martial is better than Sanchez or that Shaw has the potential to play much better.
Yes they are when considering the market and the availability of the players. We can't just throw money willy-nilly at bang average players. We tried for Alderweireld, Godin, Boateng and Maguire, they either didn't want the move or were extremely costly. Or did you want us to sign Yerry Mina(sat on the everton bench) just for the sake of it?
LOL if you believe that we are playing attacking football this season compared to last year I have a bridge to sell you
I love how people shift their opinions after 1 win or 1 loss in this thread. Until he wins the title, he's not good enough and should be sacked as early as possible.
Bailly has been injured frequently since last year, he could have let Smalling and Lindelof work on their partnership. Its clear both Lindelof and Smalling are more than capable of doing a job. If Mourinho stops reminding everyone that he is not backed by the board by buying him CBs every chance he gets may be his current players won't get so demoralised and can actually play decently.
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