The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Greck said:
Sorry my bad :lol:. Should have framed it better
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No worries, I get your point. It's not like we can expect to go full PSG every other year, we'd be fecked in no time. We do appear to have the ability to go for one huge Summer though.
Biggest mistake would be doing that without this time having an actual plan in place though, my mind is still blown that we've spent nearly 800m quid in these past five years.
 
Woodward can take some of the blame but not for the direction this season has gone IMO.
My issue with Woodward is giving Mourinho a new contract but then not backing him, not that backing him would of changed this season much even if Mourinho had 300mill to spend. He just needs to step down on the football side and focus on the commerical side, bring in someone to make a 10year plan. He should of sacked Mourinho earlier in the season or before the season started if he didn't fully back Mourinho.

Now, if Utd were in Spurs position this season. Doing okay, keeping up with the top teams but missing that teeth to compete with City/Liverpool then I'd completely back Mourinho and Woodward could do one but that's not the fecking case at all, this is ON MOURINHO. Full fecking stop. Utd have conceded over half the total goals conceded last season in 9 matches, in the easiest start of the top 6. (Be lucky to finish top 6 this season mind.) Bare in mind, that LVGs defence never had this problem even when he was forced to use youth players in the backline because of the almost comical injury crisis that our team suffered.

Let me just remind those Mourinho backers, Spurs spent nothing, they finished behind Utd last season and are now miles ahead of Utd.

Theres a very scary prospect that Liverpool could have double Utds point total in the next few results.
The season is pretty much over for Utd. Needs to go now.

This team has virtually no positives, It cannot defend, it cannot attack, it cannot control the game home or away, regardless of opposition.
Then you add in all the drama and the simple fact that Mourinho is never at fault, only the players, the media, the ref and Ed Woodward.
 
Stactix said:
Woodward can take some of the blame but not for the direction this season has gone IMO.
My issue with Woodward is giving Mourinho a new contract but then not backing him, not that backing him would of changed this season much even if Mourinho had 300mill to spend. He just needs to step down on the football side and focus on the commerical side, bring in someone to make a 10year plan. He should of sacked Mourinho earlier in the season or before the season started if he didn't fully back Mourinho.

Now, if Utd were in Spurs position this season. Doing okay, keeping up with the top teams but missing that teeth to compete with City/Liverpool then I'd completely back Mourinho and Woodward could do one but that's not the fecking case at all, this is ON MOURINHO. Full fecking stop. Utd have conceded over half the total goals conceded last season in 9 matches, in the easiest start of the top 6. (Be lucky to finish top 6 this season mind.) Bare in mind, that LVGs defence never had this problem even when he was forced to use youth players in the backline because of the almost comical injury crisis that our team suffered.

Let me just remind those Mourinho backers, Spurs spent nothing, they finished behind Utd last season and are now miles ahead of Utd.

Theres a very scary prospect that Liverpool could have double Utds point total in the next few results.
The season is pretty much over for Utd. Needs to go now.

This team has virtually no positives, It cannot defend, it cannot attack, it cannot control the game home or away, regardless of opposition.
Then you add in all the drama and the simple fact that Mourinho is never at fault, only the players, the media, the ref and Ed Woodward.
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It's a very fair post. Mourinho has brought much of this season upon himself.

I also have this weird feeling (based on absolutely feck all) that the club bought Lindelöf and that's why they wouldn't sanction a big money CB purchase, and that Mourinho is playing him just to "show them" how he was right and they were wrong. I'm probably talking absolute bollocks but it feels that way, and the way Mourinho has acted this season, I wouldn't put it past him.
 
sunama said:
LVG, LVG coaches.
Jose, Rui Faria.
Carrick, Mckenna.

Those are the coaches who have worked with our players and you are suggesting that every single one of these people are no good at coaching and that our players are talented?
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Our players are talented. Maybe not '100 league points' talented but we are surely not worse than Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal in terms of the quality of the squad. All managers we hired since SAF are simply not the right fit for the club. We knew we wouldn't get exciting football with Jose but we though he could at least win us something. What we got instead if soul destroying football with no results.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It's a very fair post. Mourinho has brought much of this season upon himself.

I also have this weird feeling (based on absolutely feck all) that the club bought Lindelöf and that's why they wouldn't sanction a big money CB purchase, and that Mourinho is playing him just to "show them" how he was right and they were wrong. I'm probably talking absolute bollocks but it feels that way, and the way Mourinho has acted this season, I wouldn't put it past him.
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Why would anyone at the club undermine Mourinho by signing Lindelof against his wishes? For a player like Neymar or Hazard, sure, but Lindelof? Makes no sense at all. Mourinho has just cocked up most of us signings and he's blaming others as he always does.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Why would anyone at the club undermine Mourinho by signing Lindelof against his wishes? For a player like Neymar or Hazard, sure, but Lindelof? Makes no sense at all. Mourinho has just cocked up most of us signings and he's blaming others as he always does.
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Scouted maybe? I mean we do have scouts right? And maybe Lindelöf was highly recommended by them. Mourinho did have a pop early this Summer saying managers are more like coaches now or something to that effect.

As I say, I'm probably talking bollocks but Lindelöf does appear the most un-Mourinho defender ever, yet he continues to play him, and we continue to look wank at the back.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It's a very fair post. Mourinho has brought much of this season upon himself.

I also have this weird feeling (based on absolutely feck all) that the club bought Lindelöf and that's why they wouldn't sanction a big money CB purchase, and that Mourinho is playing him just to "show them" how he was right and they were wrong. I'm probably talking absolute bollocks but it feels that way, and the way Mourinho has acted this season, I wouldn't put it past him.
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Lindelof was a Jose signing he pretty much said it when he signed him.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
There was a rumour yesterday lose today and he is gone Monday. Can’t see that myself but if we are still floating about say 7th-10th come Christmas you would think that would be him done.
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There'll be another before the next game and it will repeat until it happens and the feckers will say 'told you so'.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
As I say, I'm probably talking bollocks but Lindelöf does appear the most un-Mourinho defender ever, yet he continues to play him, and we continue to look wank at the back.
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Ricardo Carvalho though. He was pretty much what Lindelöf could be if he hits his ceiling/peak. Made sense to find someone like Carvalho next to Bailly/Smalling.
 
Water Melon said:
Do you mean that we bought Lindelof out of the blue? That is we bought a player that was not approved by Moyes.
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I mean, I have to believe we have scouts in our club and that some players come extremely highly recommended by them. Even if we don't have a DoF, it's hard to believe that even the "lesser" signings are 100% on the mangers approval.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Bit wishy washy that with talk of "inside information".

Either way, this signing has baffled me more than most, and that Mourinho continues to play him this season baffles me even more. I mean, yeah he finally had a decent game vs. Juventus but for the most part, he looks so far out of his depth it's untrue.
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I agree with you - Jose has always had a strong leader in defence in all his past teams. This is why I don't understand why Lindeolf was bought when we already had Bailly, Smalling, Jones etc
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It's a very fair post. Mourinho has brought much of this season upon himself.

I also have this weird feeling (based on absolutely feck all) that the club bought Lindelöf and that's why they wouldn't sanction a big money CB purchase, and that Mourinho is playing him just to "show them" how he was right and they were wrong. I'm probably talking absolute bollocks but it feels that way, and the way Mourinho has acted this season, I wouldn't put it past him.
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I'd probably disagree with Lindelof being against Mourinhos wishes, on paper he seemed to be a very promising signing.
Sanchez on the other hand, could of very well been although I do think Mourinho would of been fully behind signing him, very few wouldn't of.

I think with a new manager, the team will stablise but I see us being a top 4 team for a few years at best. Need a long term plan.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I mean, I have to believe we have scouts in our club and that some players come extremely highly recommended by them. Even if we don't have a DoF, it's hard to believe that even the "lesser" signings are 100% on the mangers approval.
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Spot on. I absolutely hate the "Jose bought these players card" whipped out by our own fans and media critics alike.

I look at Lindelof and think - did Jose Mourinho, the man who arguably knows his defenders best out of any other manager actually point to Lindelof and say "yeah, that's my guy"?

Same for Fred, who may well fit certain systems well under other managers, I cannot believe he is 100% a Jose pick either. He's probably not playing partly because of it. You sort of know a Jose Mourinho pick when you see one and some of our transfers didn't look like one even before they arrived.

Obviously Matic, Zlatan, maybe even Bailey may have been but I don't think every transfer is exclusively his. Its not that binary at our club anymore.
 
Stactix said:
I'd probably disagree with Lindelof being against Mourinhos wishes, on paper he seemed to be a very promising signing.
Sanchez on the other hand, could of very well been although I do think Mourinho would of been fully behind signing him, very few wouldn't of.

I think with a new manager, the team will stablise but I see us being a top 4 team for a few years at best. Need a long term plan.
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He's not exactly going to say "I don't want this guy" in public though is he.
 
VP89 said:
I look at Lindelof and think - did Jose Mourinho, the man who arguably knows his defenders best out of any other manager actually point to Lindelof and say "yeah, that's my guy"?
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That's what I can't get my head round, I live in Sweden and this fella isn't even rated here in a country that worshipped Mellberg and fecking Granqvist... bizarre.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I agree with you - Jose has always had a strong leader in defence in all his past teams. This is why I don't understand why Lindeolf was bought when we already had Bailly, Smalling, Jones etc
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But yet all he’s done is blabber on about a ball playing CB he wanted in the summer. Another CB that he’s not use to lol. The guy is a hypocrite.
 
VP89 said:
He's not exactly going to say "I don't want this guy" in public though is he.
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No, but he's not really the sort of player that you'd expect Mr Woodward to go for either, he'd rather chase Ramos or Varane.
 
VP89 said:
He's not exactly going to say "I don't want this guy" in public though is he.
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Jesus Christ we are not a club who is going to buy Victor Fcking Lindelöf behind our managers back.

What’s our excuse for this one, he’s good lucking and will attract sponsorship from Ikea.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
It's a very fair post. Mourinho has brought much of this season upon himself.

I also have this weird feeling (based on absolutely feck all) that the club bought Lindelöf and that's why they wouldn't sanction a big money CB purchase, and that Mourinho is playing him just to "show them" how he was right and they were wrong. I'm probably talking absolute bollocks but it feels that way, and the way Mourinho has acted this season, I wouldn't put it past him.
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The extending of Jose's contract now looks really stupid. We could have just sat out this season and let him go.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
What does the bolded mean @Mainoldo ?
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He doesn’t play football from the back, what the hell does he need with a ball playing Centre back. The majority of his CB throught his managing career have been hard nasty pieces of work. Now he’s telling us he needs Beckenbaur? Why? It’s just another dumb excuse. He going to get us playing like City because we brought Jerome Boateng. He didn’t even use flipping Daley Blind, one of the best ball players in the league.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
That's what I can't get my head round, I live in Sweden and this fella isn't even rated here in a country that worshipped Mellberg and fecking Granqvist... bizarre.
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We spoke about this yesterday but this is what I don’t get, he was very highly rated around Europe, we’d been scouting him for over a year, were supposedly moving for him the previous January but Benfica wanted more money. He was a very good player, just looks way way out of his depth now.
 
Of course we need some new players and Mourinho has signed players for 400 million pounds with hardly any of those signings turning out to be a roaring success. Would you give him more money if you were running the club? Hardly I think. Mourinho has won titles but also managed to turn everybody against him at Chelsea, Madrid and United. He behaves in a manner not befitting a Man Utd manager. He is being paid very well for being the manager of Man Utd, has been given 400 million to build his team without showing any improvement in our play. He is resorting to dinosaur football tactics with Fellaini as his "secret" weapon when his plan of putting the opponent and fans to sleep playing the most boring football of any of the top clubs in Europe does not work. He offers this while complaining about everything, dwells on his past achivements and behaves like a spoilt primadonna.
 
Mainoldo said:
He doesn’t play football from the back, what the hell does he need with a ball playing Centre back. The majority of his CB throught his managing career have been hard nasty pieces of work. Now he’s telling us he needs Beckenbaur? Why? It’s just another dumb excuse. He going to get us playing like City because we brought Jerome Boateng. He didn’t even use flipping Daley Blind, one of the best ball players in the league.
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Oh god mate, you do know that he likes to soak up pressure and spring counter attacks though right?
And that requires the likes of Carvalho, Lucio, Ramos, Varane. Players capable of reading the game, being strong in winning the ball and springing attacks.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I think it’s naive to think the club don’t have a scouting network that they trust and work with.
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No shit we have a scouting network. It highlights players sutable for our manager. We also aren’t a dictatorship. Which means the manger can hand pick which ever player he bloody well like. He can even scout players himself like he did watching random international games.

If he was unsure about Lindelöf what he should have done was bloody go watch him for himself. Playing in a league he told the whole world he knows a lot about.

Can you stop chatting crap.
 
Is stupid to suggest Lindelof and Bailly where brought in without the dinosaur's approval
 
I think even if Mourinho had unrestricted access to get two CB's a LW & Fred. This team wouldn't be doing much better.
Just to reiterate, Spurs are 7points clear, despite finishing below us, despite not spending anything.
I haven't heard many complaints from Poch, no meltdown. Not currently closer to relegation than 1st.


Just checked, Oh it's even worse, we're closer to last, than first.
How the feck can people defend this?
 
I'm already at the 'end of LVG' feeling about this - where a loss is painful but the silver lining is that at some point it has to be the end for the manager.

The situation at the club is not perfect, and Ed Woodward's management is a problem.

But this squad, these 20-odd players are absolutely miles better than how they're performing at the moment. And in the end, regardless of the CEO, the manager's job is evaluated on the pitch. Where Jose is simply failing, by any metric you choose. And has been failing for almost a full calendar year now.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I think it’s naive to think the club don’t have a scouting network that they trust and work with.
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Lindelof is a Mourinho signing, just not a very good one. He knew him from the Portuguese league and if he wasn’t his signing he would make it obvious. Mourinho thought he would be a ball playing defender but I think he actually let a better one go in Daley Blind.

If Lindelof was playing great no one would be giving Woodward credit. Mourinho’s record in the transfer market with us has been pretty awful and he has to take the blame for that.
 
Mainoldo said:
No shit we have a scouting network. It highlights players sutable for our manager. We also aren’t a dictatorship. Which means the manger can hand pick which ever player he bloody well like. He can even scout players himself like he did watching random international games.

If he was unsure about Lindelöf what he should have done was bloody go watch him for himself. Playing in a league he told the whole world he knows a lot about.

Can you stop chatting crap.
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Calm down fella, I started off saying “I’m probably talking bollocks here”. Don’t now start acting the tool, especially when your own post above showed an incredible lack of insight into why Mourinho wants a ball player at the back for his tactics.
 
FootballHQ said:
Look at the table.

Man. United were a second Brighton goal from going into the bottom half of the table. Heck it will happen if Leicester win.

Something somewhere has gone seriously wrong. Thee's a difference between just a little off top 4 and clinging onto a top half position.
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We were also 30 seconds or less from beating Chelsea, which would mean we would be 8th now and not 10th. There is no point in saying we almost lost to this team or that team.
 
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