Why on earth would Madrid want him after what he is doing here? In regards to his reputation his latest Chelsea escapade along with the absolute shite we are seeing this year has completely tarnished it. No top club is ever going to want him after he is done here unless their owners are as clueless as ours.
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Why on earth would Madrid want him after what he is doing here? In regards to his reputation his latest Chelsea escapade along with the absolute shite we are seeing this year has completely tarnished it. No top club is ever going to want him after he is done here unless their owners are as clueless as ours.
I've sat on the fence on this (prob because i'm a bit old school, no snobbery and I respect other opinions, but i'm not a massive fan of criticising players/managers). That said, the past few weeks I have to say my head has been turned. I'm not a fan of the way the press twist players/managers words. However, I'm less of a fan of a manager bleating on about past glories, especially at other clubs. Jose, more power to you Pal but what you won with Chelsea, RM, Inter I don't give a flying fig about. Give the three finger salute when you are 3-0 up. I'm fortunate enough to have been a fan from the 70's, casual follower late 80's, season ticket holder in the 90's. If you want to boast about previous victories then do it like Teddy. When the Arse fans are giving him pelters then do the 3 x Trophy Salute to shut the ******* UP. I have never seen an away end give a Utd player so much **** and then go silent.
Not all the blame drops at Jose's feet but let's take away current league positions etc, you telling me that the majority of the top teams in Europe wouldn't want to have DDG, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial in their squad. If Jose can't get a tune out of this group then is it down to the players being overrated or is it the manager being a mard arse because he didn't sign XYZ defender?
For me, we are at a crossroads
- Stick with Jose and invest, possibly finish 6th to 3rd
- Stick with Jose till the end of the season and not invest. We get 6th, 5th, 4th at a push
- Sack Jose and get a blip in form from a new manager.
- Sack Jose before Jan and back a new manager and push for 3rd / 4th
Make no bones about it, you bring in a new manager, there is no guarantee that the new guy will get funds to match City et al. What if Woodward and the board say £50m in Jan and £50m in the summer. Liverpool, Arsenal and City will spunk more than that. The sentiment is that Jose is causing ALL the problems, but maybe he is partially right in the board is no backing him. As fans we will never know, Won't back him to sign a CB but we will sign Sanchez who to be fair was not a priority.
Oh to be a Utd fan.
#redarmy
Not all the blame drops at Jose's feet but let's take away current league positions etc, you telling me that the majority of the top teams in Europe wouldn't want to have DDG, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial in their squad. If Jose can't get a tune out of this group then is it down to the players being overrated or is it the manager being a mard arse because he didn't sign XYZ defender?
For me, we are at a crossroads
- Stick with Jose and invest, possibly finish 6th to 3rd
- Stick with Jose till the end of the season and not invest. We get 6th, 5th, 4th at a push
- Sack Jose and get a blip in form from a new manager.
- Sack Jose before Jan and back a new manager and push for 3rd / 4th
Make no bones about it, you bring in a new manager, there is no guarantee that the new guy will get funds to match City et al. What if Woodward and the board say £50m in Jan and £50m in the summer. Liverpool, Arsenal and City will spunk more than that. The sentiment is that Jose is causing ALL the problems, but maybe he is partially right in the board is no backing him. As fans we will never know, Won't back him to sign a CB but we will sign Sanchez who to be fair was not a priority.
Oh to be a Utd fan.
#redarmy
As it stands, De Gea looking unlikely to re-sign, Pogba's agent talking transfer, Martial stalling on a new contract, Sanchez likely to leave if he doesn't turn it around, and Lukaku exhausted, out of form on possibly about to get run out of the club by fans.
It would be absolutely mental to lose our best players while sticking with Jose and his absolute garbage brand of football. He has shown zero ability to adapt his outdated tactics, both on and off the field. Nearly all of our players are regressing while playing the most boring, dull, cowardly football the world has ever seen. Meanwhile, all 5 of our "rivals" in the EPL are flying, playing exciting football where their players are enjoying and excelling. And that's just in the EPL... all of Europe's top clubs are playing exciting, attractive football and competing for trophies. Of course our players want to leave.
Everyday Mourinho remains here, is that much deeper a hole the club for itself. So far, we've managed to at least hold on to our most valuable players, but even that looks to be turning against us. We've got to get someone in who can get the best out of our players and make football fun again, not just for the fans but for the players as well. Whether it's Zidane, Poch, Jardim, fecking Bielsa or whoever I'm not sure, I just know sticking with Jose is not the answer. And the longer we wait, the worse off we're going to be.
It would be absolutely mental to lose our best players while sticking with Jose and his absolute garbage brand of football. He has shown zero ability to adapt his outdated tactics, both on and off the field. Nearly all of our players are regressing while playing the most boring, dull, cowardly football the world has ever seen. Meanwhile, all 5 of our "rivals" in the EPL are flying, playing exciting football where their players are enjoying and excelling. And that's just in the EPL... all of Europe's top clubs are playing exciting, attractive football and competing for trophies. Of course our players want to leave.
Everyday Mourinho remains here, is that much deeper a hole the club for itself. So far, we've managed to at least hold on to our most valuable players, but even that looks to be turning against us. We've got to get someone in who can get the best out of our players and make football fun again, not just for the fans but for the players as well. Whether it's Zidane, Poch, Jardim, fecking Bielsa or whoever I'm not sure, I just know sticking with Jose is not the answer. And the longer we wait, the worse off we're going to be.
Phew. As much as I want Mourinho gone, I don’t want us jumping out of frying pan and into the fire
Genuinely sick to the teeth of him constantly moaning and going on about other teams spending like he hasn't spent hundreds of millions and hasn't wasted the majority of it. He can't even get us outplaying teams put together with a fraction of the money spent compared to what we have and yet of course it's because we aren't "investing" millions, like that new £50 million midfielder he doesn't damn play. Sooner this guy is gone the better, genuinely cannot wait until the day he f's off.
I'm not sure what it will take to get rid of this clown. I actually think we have a decent enough squad to mount have mounted a challenge. The pathetic joke of manager, can't even coach the talent he has. He's signed Bailly and Lindelof. He's had some ready made young prospects all over the pitch. He can't even coach them.
We need coaches for these players. Mourinho is not going to change. It's like he wants to get fired but also take the club down with him.
If anyone disagrees, they are morons.
He's spent more than almost anyone. The nerve of this guy.
We need to feck him off. Doesn't deserve one penny extra of money.
You see. This excuse only made sense in relation to City and being 2nd behind them. It doesn't cover being out of the top 4 and behind teams we still outspent 70 million. Specialist in excuses for failure
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Could this guy lay it on any more thick regarding spending? Feck me.
United are 10th in the table and behind teams like Watford, B'mouth and Everton
Full quotes from Mourinho here:
One thing is to compliment Juventus, but it’s another to give my opinion on how Manchester United should or shouldn’t be organised at that level. But for me, the biggest compliment to Juventus is not even about their structure. My compliment is about the philosophy and the basic things behind the philosophy.
In the tunnel, before the game, I was speaking with Mr Agnelli and I was telling him "since I left Inter, you have seven titles in a row and it looks like the eighth is coming." And he told me: "I don't want the eighth. I want 10 in a row." I think that’s a fantastic answer and a fantastic statement. They have won seven in a row, but they bought Cristiano [Ronaldo] and [Leonardo] Bonucci and [Emre] Can and [Joao] Cancelo.
They [Juventus] always want more and more and more. I think the objective of the club is happiness related to football results and they are going to chase that treble. If it is not this year, they are going to chase it next year. If it is not next year, they are going to chase it in the other years. To be honest, I don’t know the structure of how Juventus is run, but I like the philosophy behind their work.
My belief is that you did not take me seriously when I said that the second position was a phenomenal position for us and that this season was going to be difficult. You did not take me seriously. You did not look to my experience and knowledge in football. In football now, every team is getting really powerful and is ready to invest millions.
From my perspective, I have just to work. I am a coach and I do the best work I can do.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-takes-aim-ed-13490317
One thing is to compliment Juventus, but it’s another to give my opinion on how Manchester United should or shouldn’t be organised at that level. But for me, the biggest compliment to Juventus is not even about their structure. My compliment is about the philosophy and the basic things behind the philosophy.
In the tunnel, before the game, I was speaking with Mr Agnelli and I was telling him "since I left Inter, you have seven titles in a row and it looks like the eighth is coming." And he told me: "I don't want the eighth. I want 10 in a row." I think that’s a fantastic answer and a fantastic statement. They have won seven in a row, but they bought Cristiano [Ronaldo] and [Leonardo] Bonucci and [Emre] Can and [Joao] Cancelo.
They [Juventus] always want more and more and more. I think the objective of the club is happiness related to football results and they are going to chase that treble. If it is not this year, they are going to chase it next year. If it is not next year, they are going to chase it in the other years. To be honest, I don’t know the structure of how Juventus is run, but I like the philosophy behind their work.
My belief is that you did not take me seriously when I said that the second position was a phenomenal position for us and that this season was going to be difficult. You did not take me seriously. You did not look to my experience and knowledge in football. In football now, every team is getting really powerful and is ready to invest millions.
From my perspective, I have just to work. I am a coach and I do the best work I can do.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-takes-aim-ed-13490317
Mourinho has gone two footed on Woodward in these latest quotes.
Great to see somebody speaking out.
Mourinho has worked with some of the most ambitious people in football, he knows he's not got that at United.
Great to see somebody speaking out.
Mourinho has worked with some of the most ambitious people in football, he knows he's not got that at United.
Deserves to be sent off imo.
I think we have reached a point of no return with him. Other than Porto, has he built a team before? He lucked into strong core teams at Chelsea and Inter. The problem start for him when he starts making the groceries. He can't evaluate talent very well, he does not develop talent very well. If you are not the finished article, life can be frustrating with him.
Maybe wants to be sacked before that top 4 clause can screw him out of his huge payoff
Wish a journalist would challenge him on the quotes about investment when we've spent huge amounts of money over the years and the fact that so many of his signings have been failures or are really struggling.
In one respect, he's right that a 50 million midfielder and a young right back is not going to close the gap between the difference of first and second place from last season. He's clearly not getting the best out of the players that have been brought in though.
In one respect, he's right that a 50 million midfielder and a young right back is not going to close the gap between the difference of first and second place from last season. He's clearly not getting the best out of the players that have been brought in though.
Agree that we reached point of no return but your point is totally wrong. That's not true. The Inter 2009 summer market was one of the best ever in modern football imo, completely revamped the team in one market and bought players that were all the main reasons for the the treble. Sold Zlatan to Barca and got Eto'o instead, bought Sneijder, Milito, Luico, Mota were all main reasons for winning the treble.
They were strong when he got them, but he completely revamped them in his second year and it was a different team by then.
Check their transfer business of this summer :
https://www.transfermarkt.com/inter-mailand/transfers/verein/46/saison_id/2009
You are so far up Mourinho's backside with every post he can't put a foot wrong ever can he. Woodward is at fault but he bought Lukaku, Pogba, Fred, Lindelof, Bailly etc etc for Mourinho, are you telling me that just because he vetoed a central defender this summer than Woodward has not let Mourinho spend at all
He should have asked him how can he become a great coach again. Typical Mourinho always worrying about the wrong things.
I've never felt confident that any United team since Fergie can go on a 7 or 8 game winning streak. I think last seasons side that started the season so well was the closest I got to that feeling.
Regarding his last quotes, he is spot on. Our transfer policy is basically to keep squad strong as it is and to battle for top 4. Owners want to play in Champ league because of all the money that it brings but they don't want to invest above that. To risk and to go for everything. This 350 mil that they gave to Jose was needed for building top4 level squad. And that is it. They are happy with that.
Most of fans are delighted with Juve's squad. But this year they bought for 150 mil 31y old defender despite having young top Italien prospect Rugani and they bought 33y old world superstar despite having excellent striker in Higuain. They signed Can despite having good players on that position. But when we wanted to buy Willian and Toby, those same fans were against it because they are "nearly 30 ", " it is short term solution", " what will be with Rashford", " Jose already bought defenders" etc....
There is so much attack on our board about no clear vision, but many fans don't have it also( playing with youth, without buying players older than 25 and winning titles with superb attacking football is not realistic vision imo).
I said it many times in this thread but i will repeat it again and again; give Jose what he wants and he will win title. If we don't want to do that, sack him now. This current situation is agony for all.
Most of fans are delighted with Juve's squad. But this year they bought for 150 mil 31y old defender despite having young top Italien prospect Rugani and they bought 33y old world superstar despite having excellent striker in Higuain. They signed Can despite having good players on that position. But when we wanted to buy Willian and Toby, those same fans were against it because they are "nearly 30 ", " it is short term solution", " what will be with Rashford", " Jose already bought defenders" etc....
There is so much attack on our board about no clear vision, but many fans don't have it also( playing with youth, without buying players older than 25 and winning titles with superb attacking football is not realistic vision imo).
I said it many times in this thread but i will repeat it again and again; give Jose what he wants and he will win title. If we don't want to do that, sack him now. This current situation is agony for all.
It is agony but for me Mourinho should stay until the end of the season at least. He has spent a lot. But I think we have been comparatively underinvested in compared to City for years and that is starting to show.
I know it has been said before but despite our success only three managers have won the league with us, and Fergie was helped by a once-in-many-generations influx of talent through the youth system. And again this has been said but the owners have taken £1bn out of the club since 2005 whereas City have had £1bn invested since 2008.
For me, history has shown that success in the league at United needs not just the right manager but also the right structural circumstances at the club. Maybe a Director of Football will only serve to mask the financial issues we are experiencing in contrast to our neighbours. At present we seem to have no clear strategy with Woodward being placed in a position of final decision-maker for transfers. For me, that doesn't match his skill set at all and if the club is scared of leaving it in the hands of a manager then we need a DoF yesterday. But I cannot see a clear alternative to Mourinho. If there is one, the same structural issues at the club will remain.
I know it has been said before but despite our success only three managers have won the league with us, and Fergie was helped by a once-in-many-generations influx of talent through the youth system. And again this has been said but the owners have taken £1bn out of the club since 2005 whereas City have had £1bn invested since 2008.
For me, history has shown that success in the league at United needs not just the right manager but also the right structural circumstances at the club. Maybe a Director of Football will only serve to mask the financial issues we are experiencing in contrast to our neighbours. At present we seem to have no clear strategy with Woodward being placed in a position of final decision-maker for transfers. For me, that doesn't match his skill set at all and if the club is scared of leaving it in the hands of a manager then we need a DoF yesterday. But I cannot see a clear alternative to Mourinho. If there is one, the same structural issues at the club will remain.
We've outspent all our rivals except Man City. But at the moment, we're doing the worst out of all of them. This means that other teams have spent money better than us. Somehow other teams bring in the right players, while we've brought in the wrong players. But who's in charge of bringing in the right players? Mourinho is.
And with your Juventus comparison, did we not break our wage structure to bring in Sanchez? At the time, he was widely regarded as a world class player. Would a board comfortable with top 4, break their wage structure to bring in a 29 year old?
The board is not blameless. But the amount of spending is not the problem. The problem is that we've wasted all the money, while other teams have used it wisely.
We are ready to spend millions, only he could convince top players to join his bus parking strategy.
Kante snubbed him, jorginho snubbed him, bale is snubbing him, ronaldo went to juventus, so sandro snubbed him as well, sadio mane snubbed him , hell even willian snubbed him himself he desperately wanted, and the ones who joined, look absolutely terrible under him and gets benched repeatedly as his long ball and defensive tactics exposes them on the pitch.
Who the hell we should spend on?
That's make sense if we were 2nd behind City playing good football but just unable to match them. We're just a posh West Ham atm and no amount of spending comparisons with City will explain that.
When the investment angle doesn't suit him, he moves on to history, pedigree etc. See SevillaWhen every coach talks about coaching, this guys talks only about investment.
He's just a cnut who'd sell his grandma if it gave him a good deflection from his own shortcomings.
The United manager talking about lack of spending. You gotta laugh. Or maybe cry.
Very much spot on Sevilla. Sad thing is his fans buy it.
The football is bad. Not Van Gaal bad, but bad. But my point is this - we have issues as a football club. If we had appointed a DoF alongside Moyes it may be the case now that our squad would have better balance at a much lower expense than we have paid. If we appointed a DoF and if magically money stopped flowing out of the club then that would mean nothing if the wrong man was appointed manager. But also, if we fired Mourinho tomorrow and replaced him with AN Other, we would still have structural issues that need sorting that will inevitably lead to future problems if they are not sorted. At the very least we need to appoint a DoF before the next manager comes in, to give our transfer policy some long term meaning.
I think this DOF thing is overblown. A DOF is a long term appointment. If we're just looking to change managers to improve results mid-season, then there's no immediate need to appoint a DOF. And if the new manager does well, its questionable whether a DOF will be needed at all.
A DOF would give us better planning and structure. But again, my point stands. We don't need a DOF to get the squad we have playing good football or managing to create at least 5 chances a game or beating mid table dross. That's on the manager and no amount of moaning about investment from him is going to change that. He's shown an utter inability to get anything remotely close to the best out of not just what he has but also what he himself bought.
Thing with Jose is, he's clever and devious enough to let things slide and set up teams poorly to prove a point and he told us we'd struggle and has just reminded everyone again what he said.
Saying hey Jose we're 10th might seem like a good point in relation to what others have spent around us but Jose has orchestrated this due to the summer and started it pre-season.
The club took a risk telling Jose to make do just like Roman did. I thought we should've found another coach once the club decided not to back him anymore. The club could be correct after how the signings have turned out in the last year or two but after Chelsea and who the guy is, it's not a good idea to tell him to make do after coming second from sixth the year before at a club like Manchester United and months before giving him a big contract.
Saying hey Jose we're 10th might seem like a good point in relation to what others have spent around us but Jose has orchestrated this due to the summer and started it pre-season.
The club took a risk telling Jose to make do just like Roman did. I thought we should've found another coach once the club decided not to back him anymore. The club could be correct after how the signings have turned out in the last year or two but after Chelsea and who the guy is, it's not a good idea to tell him to make do after coming second from sixth the year before at a club like Manchester United and months before giving him a big contract.
He is an ungrateful whining little man, with an immature personality disoder.
https://news.sky.com/story/thai-cave-boys-meet-manchester-united-manager-mourinho-11537991
Nice footage here, glad the club invited these boys, one of the big feel good news stories of this year
Nice footage here, glad the club invited these boys, one of the big feel good news stories of this year
It's funny he is saying that us spending was not the problem. Let's review his buys :
1) Ibra - played well for a season, good buy at the time.
2) Baily - looked good at the start, been relegated to the bench, and looking for a replacement already - Okay
3) Pogba - arguably the only player he has got right, slightly inconsistent, but world class at times - Very good buy.
4) Mikhi - Already sold. Never performed well consistently. - Bad buy
5) Matic - Started off strong, but one of the main reasons we aren't playing so well. Looks done at this level (could be injury recovery issues as well) - Okay buy
6) Lukaku - At this point, I hate the sight of him. So no comments. Bad buy for me, especially considering the price.
7) Lindelof - No strong points in his game. Average to decent defender. - Okay buy.
8) Alexis - Looks done at this level, not sure if this on the manager or the player is physically done. His wages also have major implications for the club.
Not going to comment on this summer transfers since they might take time to adjust, giving Jose the benefit of doubt.
So out of the 8 signings mentioned, the only elite player would be Pogba. The rest have either been moved on or have been performing poorly this season, with the exception of Lindelof.
So no, I wouldn't trust Jose with more players. Especially if said players are older.
This and LVGs buys should convince the board to get a DOF and set a system in place. We have received absolutely no return on the huge money that we have paid so far.
1) Ibra - played well for a season, good buy at the time.
2) Baily - looked good at the start, been relegated to the bench, and looking for a replacement already - Okay
3) Pogba - arguably the only player he has got right, slightly inconsistent, but world class at times - Very good buy.
4) Mikhi - Already sold. Never performed well consistently. - Bad buy
5) Matic - Started off strong, but one of the main reasons we aren't playing so well. Looks done at this level (could be injury recovery issues as well) - Okay buy
6) Lukaku - At this point, I hate the sight of him. So no comments. Bad buy for me, especially considering the price.
7) Lindelof - No strong points in his game. Average to decent defender. - Okay buy.
8) Alexis - Looks done at this level, not sure if this on the manager or the player is physically done. His wages also have major implications for the club.
Not going to comment on this summer transfers since they might take time to adjust, giving Jose the benefit of doubt.
So out of the 8 signings mentioned, the only elite player would be Pogba. The rest have either been moved on or have been performing poorly this season, with the exception of Lindelof.
So no, I wouldn't trust Jose with more players. Especially if said players are older.
This and LVGs buys should convince the board to get a DOF and set a system in place. We have received absolutely no return on the huge money that we have paid so far.
100%
He is trying so hard to be sacked before going to the point of no top 4 and be sacked with peanuts. The problem is that the the donkey Ed is going to give him a deaf ear until he reaches that point of mathematically top 4 is not possible.
He has spent more than Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool. Do you think at any level we are better than them, the excuses we read here to clear Jose is Pathetic.
Poor boys, haven't they suffered enough to meet Jose.
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