The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[devilish]

But if we get rid of Jose, woody will just bring in another one he thinks is good enough. Bring in the dof first and let him choose the next manager. Have the dof set the club up from top to bottom with no leftovers from Woodward. Doesn’t that make more sense?

The problem with that is that the moment a DOF enters the United's door Mou will probably throw yet another hissy fit, which Woody being Woody can't handle. This might be enough to persuade the likes of DDG and Martial to call quits and leave this circus act once and for all.

Im hoping we'll show Mou the door. Then we bring in a DOF and a manager concurrently (ideally two people who had previously worked well together). As said Im hoping we add a joint CEO too but that's wishful thinking.

 

[Random Task]

He’s openly trolling now, scouse cnut.

Harsh.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I do get it but we all know Woodward is going nowhere so the most we can hope for is him at some point getting lucky with the appointment as he indeed is a bit of the clown when it comes to footballing matters and yet Jose is not the answer that much is evident by now.

I can’t say that Jose is the answer, because it would be a lie. I do hope that Woodward does go, because IMO he’s the real reason we are stuck. We might get lucky and get someone that can work with him, but I don’t see it happening to be honest. The stars would need to align in a way that not even witchcraft or wizardry could conceivably conjure.

Maybe you’re right and Woodward isn’t going anywhere, but I’d much rather see a mass fan revolt against him than Jose. At least them we could seriously get a dof in and actually move forward in a meaningful way.

 

[el3mel]

You can blame Woody for the managerial appointments failing dramatically but I don't see how he takes responsibility for the transfer market fails as well. £700 million spent on players and not a single one could you classify as a success. That's either incredibly bad luck or gross incompetence on the managers part by either misjudging their ability to adapt to his chosen system or they were simply not good enough in the first place.

Woody is a chairman, not a DOF, he only signs players that his manager has specifically requested. I agree, there is no structure at the club right now, certainly not a viable one with a clear end-goal. Rather a scattergun approach akin to how Real do business.

The truth is, if around 40% of those failed transfers turned out to be successful signings, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

He shouldn't be basing the structure on the club to live or die with the managers transfers to start with. No club do that. Most club have a structure and a strategy in the market and the manager they hire usually follows this strategy.

The way we're run as a club means that the only way to succeed is to get a manager whose choices are totally spot on, that won't happen, beside, you can't be signing specific players that benefit only one manager and the next manager signs his players and so on. That will create an unbalanced squad like it's now.

The point is : Managers are at fault for the terrible signings they did, but Ed is at fault for letting the club being run that way.

Hire a DOF, put a certain strategy and play style that you need a manager and certain players that fit it. Hire a manager and sign players that fit it and the amount of duds you're signing will decrease. Be random as what we're doing and most of the signings will fail.

No big club is run that randomly in the market, Madrid aren't. We look like we're waiting to be lucky and hire a manager like SAF that will end up being DOF and manager at the same time and get most of his decisions spot on. We're not going to find something like that, most top managers nowadays are short term and stay for only 3-4 seasons so you can't base all your way of building the club on their signings only.

So in short that doesn't absolve Mourinho and LVG from the blame but at the same, Ed is responsible for all of them so he needs to take part of the blame for how the club is being run imo.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

The problem with that is that the moment a DOF enters the United's door Mou will probably throw yet another hissy fit, which Woody being Woody can't handle. This might be enough to persuade the likes of DDG and Martial to call quits and leave this circus act once and for all.

Im hoping we'll show Mou the door to then bring both a DOF and a manager (ideally they had both worked together)

I would say that a compromise to that would p45s for the both of them at the same time. Find a dof and consult with him to find the manager that suits. Come the end of the season Woodward moves into another position that has 20 layers of brick wall between it and any football related decisions and Jose moves on to...who gives a feck.

If the board finds a dof now, has him in place to set up the club with the staff that’s going to take us forward and have a plan and struct in place to take over come the end of the season. Regardless of results, we close the book on this chapter and start fresh. Move players on that don’t fit, bring in the players that should have already been identified inbetween now and the end of the season. Get down to it.

IMO if Jose goes first, we will just get another square peg for our circular managerial hole.

 

[MackRobinson]

Ok I stopped reading at most people aren’t saying that, which is utter rubbish. That’s all anyone is saying. It’s not a straw man, it’s a fact. I want woody to go before Jose. What’s the point other wise? Get in yet another woody pick? Because he’s done such a great job so far?

So you're telling me that most people in this thread think Jose is the ONLY problem? Please show me where most people blame him for ALL of United's problems. Like I said, you are in a thread titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or should he go?" and you are moaning about him getting criticized. There is an Ed Woodward thread where he's getting criticized and rightfully so. Not sure why we need to spam that point in a thread about Mourinho.

Is Woodward coaching the shit football played on a weekly basis?
Is it Woodward who continually plays Matic even though he's become a liablity?
Is Woodward continually picking Lukaku?
Was Woodward's decision not to play Fred?
Is it Woodward's philosophy not to press?
Is it Woodward throwing players under the bus at press conferences?

The lack of signings if on the board and Woodward. The tactics are one man's fault and that is Jose. It does make you doubt the ability of our players when we are in this situation, but they should be capable of better than this. Just think Jose is creating a terribly negative attitude around them.

Not backing the manager is definitely on the board and Woodward, but some are acting as if the squad is playing this attacking brand of football that's only being hampered by a poor defense. Klopp was in this boat before signing VVD, but it didn't take signing him to for them to play attacking football. Same with Pep. They implemented their style and then rebuilt their defense. What style has Mourinho implemented?

I for one don't doubt United have good players. Some of these players look totally different for their national teams and previous club teams. Unless you believe United is a cursed club I find it hard to believe that all these players who were key players for big clubs all of sudden turned to shit.

 

[devilish]

You can blame Woody for the managerial appointments failing dramatically but I don't see how he takes responsibility for the transfer market fails as well. £700 million spent on players and not a single one could you classify as a success. That's either incredibly bad luck or gross incompetence on the managers part by either misjudging their ability to adapt to his chosen system or they were simply not good enough in the first place. Woody is a chairman, not a DOF, he only signs players that his manager has specifically requested.

I agree, there is no structure at the club right now, certainly not a viable one with a clear end-goal, rather a scattergun approach akin to how Real do business. But the truth is, if around 40% of those failed transfers turned out to be successful signings, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

The manager's job is to survive another day. He neither has the time to scout players nor is his job to take care of the club long term mainly because in 1-3 years time he won't be there. That's why we keep signing short term players/the manager's pets on huge salaries/fees. Sanchez, Bastian, Fellaini, Matic, Lukaku and Valdes to name a few.

Now that's something two experienced managers like LVG and Mou should have explained to Woody a long time ago. Unfortunately both are Aholes with an ego the size of a bus who would have found working with a DOF as 'counterproductive'. Why on earth would a manager want to impose someone on himself who will defend the club's interest when he can easily dupe our naive CEO to spend 75m on the new Emile Heskey?

That's is why we need football people at the club. That means a joint CEO who knows football inside out and an experienced DOF. They won't allow anyone to take the club for a ride and that include our own manager.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

So you're telling me that most people in this thread think Jose is the ONLY problem? Please show me where most people blame him for ALL of United's problems. Like I said, you are in a thread titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or should he go?" and you are moaning about him getting criticized. There is an Ed Woodward thread where he's getting criticized and rightfully so. Not sure why we need to spam that point in a thread about Mourinho.

Is Woodward coaching the shit football played on a weekly basis?
Is it Woodward who continually plays Matic even though he's become a liablity?
Is Woodward continually picking Lukaku?
Was Woodward's decision not to play Fred?
Is it Woodward's philosophy not to press?
Is it Woodward throwing players under the bus at press conferences?


Not backing the manager is definitely on the board and Woodward, but some are acting as if the squad is playing this attacking brand of football that's only being hampered by a poor defense. Klopp was in this boat before signing VVD, but it didn't take signing him to for them to play attacking football. Same with Pep. They implemented their style and then rebuilt their defense. What style has Mourinho implemented?

I for one don't doubt United have good players. Some of these players look totally different for their national teams and previous club teams. Unless you believe United is a cursed club I find it hard to believe that all these players who were key players for big clubs all of sudden turned to shit.

I agree a CB would not make that much difference if we do not score goals at the other end. Think there are a lot of areas need dealing with, instead of just handing out extensions to the same old players over and over again. Sheer laziness.

 

[Rajma]

The manager's job is to survive another day. He neither has the time to scout players nor is his job to take care of the club long term mainly because in 1-3 years time he won't be there. That's why we keep signing short term players/the manager's pets on huge salaries/fees. Sanchez, Bastian, Fellaini, Matic, Lukaku and Valdes to name a few.

Now that's something two experienced managers like LVG and Mou should have explained to Woody a long time ago. Unfortunately both are Aholes with an ego the size of a bus who would have found working with a DOF as 'counterproductive'. Why on earth would a manager want to impose someone on himself who will defend the club's interest when he can easily dupe our naive CEO to spend 75m on the new Emile Heskey?

That's is why we need football people at the club. That means a joint CEO who knows football inside out and an experienced DOF. They won't allow anyone to take the club for a ride and that include our own manager.

Very well said.

 

[devilish]

I would say that a compromise to that would p45s for the both of them at the same time. Find a dof and consult with him to find the manager that suits. Come the end of the season Woodward moves into another position that has 20 layers of brick wall between it and any football related decisions and Jose moves on to...who gives a feck.

If the board finds a dof now, has him in place to set up the club with the staff that’s going to take us forward and have a plan and struct in place to take over come the end of the season. Regardless of results, we close the book on this chapter and start fresh. Move players on that don’t fit, bring in the players that should have already been identified inbetween now and the end of the season. Get down to it.

IMO if Jose goes first, we will just get another square peg for our circular managerial hole.

I disagree. Woody is good in what he does ie generating money. I'd say lets get someone like Marotta to take care of the football side of the club and restrict Woody to what he knows best ie take care of the money side of things. Its pretty much what Juventus has at the moment with Agnelli and Marotta. The former probably knows as much about football as Woodward knows.

 

[Apokalips]

History is repeating itself, Mourinho moaning about the board in public like a spoilt child who didn't get all of his toys for Christmas. He's spent a fortune and looks clueless on how to use the players he's bought. He expects us to believe that 1 or 2 players in and all of a sudden we'd fly from 10th to title challengers? or that we'd start playing something that entertains our fans?

He is constantly so defeatist, just look at how negative our fanbase have become...imagine what it must be like to be around this guy every single day! I'm sure we've all had managers/bosses that drained us. I won't be surprised if we start to hear the "You have to sack me to get rid of me" monologue at some point again. He hasn't even attempted to create a togetherness in the club - amongst fans, board, players - so how can we be surprised that the players play like a bunch of dudes that just met for a Sunday kickabout? We need a fresh coaching approach that much is evident. We also need to realise that this is commonplace in football, sometimes a managerial appointment doesn't work out, the best thing to do is move on and try a new coach. More is lost through indecision than the wrong decision.

It feels like HIS mentality is Everton level, not OURS.

 

[ErranMorad]

I disagree. Woody is good in what he does ie generating money. I'd say lets get someone like Marotta to take care of the football side of the club and restrict Woody to what he knows best ie take care of the money side of things. Its pretty much what Juventus has at the moment with Agnelli and Marotta. The former probably knows as much about football as Woodward knows.

Now that he is leaving (or has already left) Juve, do you think he'll be interested in a job outside Italy? If yes, you think he can thrive in the English environment at a club like ours?

 

[Reddy Rederson]

So you're telling me that most people in this thread think Jose is the ONLY problem? Please show me where most people blame him for ALL of United's problems. Like I said, you are in a thread titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or should he go?" and you are moaning about him getting criticized. There is an Ed Woodward thread where he's getting criticized and rightfully so. Not sure why we need to spam that point in a thread about Mourinho.

Take a look around, just because you and I can see the problems here deeper doesn’t make it the majority opinion. Woodward’s page is 99 pages deep, Jose’s is almost 300 with a site wide poll. Then there’s the countless random posts in every other thread saying Jose out or some derivative there of. Almost no one says woody needs to go, and even less say he needs to go before Jose.

But let’s test it, add woody to the poll. With options of both with or without Jose still as manager. I’m happy to be proved wrong, but my experience so far here and elsewhere is that Jose must go, and woody won’t pick another dud is the majority opinion.

 

[Amir]

There's no point in sacking Woodward because he's good at some of the things he does. And the club is unlikely to find a CEO who is both astute in football and astute in business. And the club SHOULD be run by a businessman. If he has football knowledge it's great, but it is a business.

But we do need someone to head the football department. It used to be Fergie the manager. We replaced the coach, but not the manager.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I disagree. Woody is good in what he does ie generating money. I'd say lets get someone like Marotta to take care of the football side of the club and restrict Woody to what he knows best ie take care of the money side of things. Its pretty much what Juventus has at the moment with Agnelli and Marotta. The former probably knows as much about football as Woodward knows.

IMO, woody is selling United. You don’t have to a good salesmen to do that. United sells itself, because it’s united. If woody left yesterday it would make no difference one way or the other. The relationship between the dof and the manager IMO is far more important. Jose at inter had dof that trusted him and they had a great relationship. Because of that they were able to do great things. If woods wants to hang around fine, just as long as he’s far far away from making any choices related to the squad.

 

[devilish]

Now that he is leaving (or has already left) Juve, do you think he'll be interested in a job outside Italy? If yes, you think he can thrive in the English environment at a club like ours?

In my opinion, Marotta would be the single most important signing United would have done since SAF's retired. We should throw all the money in trying to get him. In fact, Inter are ready to swallow their pride to try and sign him themselves. That comes with Moratti's blessing who basically loves Juventus as much as SAF loves Liverpool.

The thing is that a top quality football CEO is more then a man who understand football. He's got contacts which means he'll bring in the right staff with him. For example Marotta was the man who brought Paratici in. He's also good to quickly offload deadwood and to work concurrently on many signings at a time. Juventus tend to make around 6-7 signings a year and they tend to move so swiftly in the market that there's barely any competition for their signings. He's also got this sneaky way of convincing players to sign with them before the deal is actually concluded. That means that the club in question will either let the player leave to Juventus for cheap or else risk losing him for free the year after/see his performance nosedive. We've seen that happening with Pogba during SAF's time and I suspect that they already have everything cooked up for SMS.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Does anyone reckons there's possibly already an agreement in place between Mourinho and Madrid, and between Mourinho and Manchester United?
He finishes the season as strongly as he can, for his own reputation too, and proceeds to join Real Madrid over the summer.
Most of the players he had beef there are gone, and I'm really not sure what his relationship with Florentino Perez like.

 

[FootballHQ]

Look at the table.

Man. United were a second Brighton goal from going into the bottom half of the table. Heck it will happen if Leicester win.

Something somewhere has gone seriously wrong. Thee's a difference between just a little off top 4 and clinging onto a top half position.

 

[devilish]

IMO, woody is selling United. You don’t have to a good salesmen to do that. United sells itself, because it’s united. If woody left yesterday it would make no difference one way or the other. The relationship between the dof and the manager IMO is far more important. Jose at inter had dof that trusted him and they had a great relationship. Because of that they were able to do great things. If woods wants to hang around fine, just as long as he’s far far away from making any choices related to the squad.

Woody did a magnificent job on the commercial side of things. He's quite good on the business side. The trouble is that he tend to struggle on the football side. There's plenty of people like him in football. Agnelli is one of them. You only have to pair these people with someone who does.

Regarding Mourinho at Inter, you might not know but initially he had troubles with Branca in the same way he did with everyone else. Then someone must have told him that Branca was the owner's golden boy and there's no chance in hell of him being able to drive a wedge between him and Moratti. Moratti can be blamed of everything but the guy is fiercely loyal to the people he loved and Branca happened to be at the top of that list.

At the time, Mourinho had just left Chelsea and he couldn't afford being sacked so early in his job. Long story short he was forced to work with Branca.

 

[MackRobinson]

Take a look around, just because you and I can see the problems here deeper doesn’t make it the majority opinion. Woodward’s page is 99 pages deep, Jose’s is almost 300 with a site wide poll. Then there’s the countless random posts in every other thread saying Jose out or some derivative there of. Almost no one says woody needs to go, and even less say he needs to go before Jose.

But let’s test it, add woody to the poll. With options of both with or without Jose still as manager. I’m happy to be proved wrong, but my experience so far here and elsewhere is that Jose must go, and woody won’t pick another dud is the majority opinion.

I've read through a good amount of pages of this thread. I haven't seen a single person say it's ALL Mourinho's fault. If you've seen it please send a link. There are many posts who have criticized Woodward in the thread. Many. Look at the last 20 pages or so.

Woodward doesn't need to go, he just doesn't need to be in charge of footballing matters. Also if you would have read my earlier post you ignored, I asked you which is easier to replace, a CEO or a manager? The answer is pretty obvious. As @devilish said sacking Woodward should be a prerequisite for getting rid of Mourinho

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I've read through a good amount of pages of this thread. I haven't seen a single person say it's ALL Mourinho's fault. If you've seen it please send a link. There are many posts who have criticized Woodward in the thread. Many. Look at the last 20 pages or so.

Woodward doesn't need to go, he just doesn't need to be in charge of footballing matters. Also if you would have read my earlier post you ignored, I asked you which is easier to replace, a CEO or a manager? The answer is pretty obvious. As @devilish said sacking Woodward should be a prerequisite for getting rid of Mourinho

So because no one says it’s all Mourinhos fault, that means they don’t blame him solely, even though they don’t mention any other cause? Come on. And I’m not going through the whole website just because he want to be purposefully obtuse. You don’t agree fine, but don’t tell me what my experience is.

As for your post, sorry I must have missed inbetween all the other posts attacking me because my opinion differs from theirs. We don’t agree, accept it and move.

And actually, it was me that said that. Woodward goes before Jose. Out the club, or to a different position I don’t care. As I’ve already said again and again. Woody, then Jose, then get a dof in. It’s not a hard line to follow. Sack or move woody, sack Jose. Get a dof in to choose the next manager. Or as I also suggested, get the dof in now. Have him or her work to get everything into place for the end of the season (new manager, back room staff etc) and start fresh for next season. Woody moves sideways, Jose moves to who gives a feck. We have our dof in place, he’s already got his manager ready and they both have already identified targets and started the approaches. Why I’m saying it all again I don’t know, but it’s the last time I’ll be saying it. You want to keep thinking of me as someone that wants Jose here no matter what, that’s on you now. Take care.

 

[MackRobinson]

So because no one says it’s all Mourinhos fault, that means they don’t blame him solely, even though they don’t mention any other cause? Come on. And I’m not going through the whole website just because he want to be purposefully obtuse. You don’t agree fine, but don’t tell me what my experience is.

This is intellectually dishonest and you know it. You replied to my post with this:

Ok I stopped reading at most people aren’t saying that, which is utter rubbish. That’s all anyone is saying. It’s not a straw man, it’s a fact.

That's why I asked where is this being said. Now you pretend as if I asked you out of nowhere to show me where in the thread people are making this claim and then accuse me of being obtuse and telling you what your experience is. I don't care if we don't agree, but don't even try to paint me as someone who is trying to misrepresent your position when it is clear I'm not.

As for your post, sorry I must have missed inbetween all the other posts attacking me because my opinion differs from theirs. We don’t agree, accept it and move.

You saw the post, but you felt the first sentence was so egregious that you decided not to read the rest. (it's the post I just quoted)

And actually, it was me that said that. Woodward goes before Jose. Out the club, or to a different position I don’t care. As I’ve already said again and again. Woody, then Jose, then get a dof in. It’s not a hard line to follow. Sack or move woody, sack Jose. Get a dof in to choose the next manager. Or as I also suggested, get the dof in now. Have him or her work to get everything into place for the end of the season (new manager, back room staff etc) and start fresh for next season. Woody moves sideways, Jose moves to who gives a feck. We have our dof in place, he’s already got his manager ready and they both have already identified targets and started the approaches. Why I’m saying it all again I don’t know, but it’s the last time I’ll be saying it. You want to keep thinking of me as someone that wants Jose here no matter what, that’s on you now. Take care.

I know what you said. I read your posts. My point is why are you berating everyone for wanting Jose out in a thread about him, and why should Woodward moving on be a prerequisite for sacking Mourinho? Why should the United fans endure such garbage football and such poor results? An interim manager would be better than Mourinho at this point and that doesn't require a DOF.

I'm asking you pretty direct question and not acting hostile towards you, yet you're taking offense for what? I don't understand.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

This is intellectually dishonest and you know it. You replied to my post with this:

That's why I asked where is this being said. Now you pretend as if I asked you out of nowhere to show me where in the thread people are making this claim and then accuse me of being obtuse and telling you what your experience is. I don't care if we don't agree, but don't even try to paint me as someone who is trying to misrepresent your position when it is clear I'm not.


You saw the post, but you felt the first sentence was so egregious that you decided not to read the rest. (it's the post I just quoted)


I know what you said. I read your posts. My point is why are you berating everyone for wanting Jose out in a thread about him, and why should Woodward moving on be a prerequisite for sacking Mourinho? Why should the United fans endure such garbage football and such poor results? An interim manager would be better than Mourinho at this point and that doesn't require a DOF.

I'm asking you pretty direct question and not acting hostile towards you, yet you're taking offense for what? I don't understand.

Sorry, not reading any of that, brobeans. We agree or we don’t, and that’s ok. I’ve said my position, you’ve said yours. No point beating the horse to death. Take care.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Poor Mack, put a lot of effort into a well thought out post there and gets "sorry brobeans, aint reading"

 

[sunama]

I remember when LVG was on his last legs. There seemed to be a unity between fans. Most agreed that LVG needed to go (and go, he did).
Reading this thread and forum, I can see that fans are clearly divided. It's like civil war - fighting amongst ourselves.

 

[Random Task]

Sorry, not reading any of that, brobeans. We agree or we don’t, and that’s ok. I’ve said my position, you’ve said yours. No point beating the horse to death. Take care.

Allow me to summarize, if you don't mind (I'll assume you don't)

He means to ask why you think Woody should be shown door before Jose. Fair enough question all things considered.

I want a brobean for Christmas.

 

[Cloud7]

Brobeans

 

[Kapardin]

I remember when LVG was on his last legs. There seemed to be a unity between fans. Most agreed that LVG needed to go (and go, he did).
Reading this thread and forum, I can see that fans are clearly divided. It's like civil war - fighting amongst ourselves.

70:30 is a civil war in the mold of General Custer and Little BigHorn. No contest.

There were plenty here who bizarrely wanted LvG to stay as well, even during that Jan-Apr period.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Brobeans is my new favourite word.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Allow me to summarize, if you don't mind (I'll assume you don't)

He means to ask why you think Woody should be shown door before Jose. Fair enough question all things considered.

I want a brobean for Christmas.

It is a fair question, but it’s one I’ve answered at least 3 times already. Gets a bit tedious having to say the same thing again and again, ya know?

 

[Random Task]

The manager's job is to survive another day. He neither has the time to scout players nor is his job to take care of the club long term mainly because in 1-3 years time he won't be there. That's why we keep signing short term players/the manager's pets on huge salaries/fees. Sanchez, Bastian, Fellaini, Matic, Lukaku and Valdes to name a few.

Now that's something two experienced managers like LVG and Mou should have explained to Woody a long time ago. Unfortunately both are Aholes with an ego the size of a bus who would have found working with a DOF as 'counterproductive'. Why on earth would a manager want to impose someone on himself who will defend the club's interest when he can easily dupe our naive CEO to spend 75m on the new Emile Heskey?

That's is why we need football people at the club. That means a joint CEO who knows football inside out and an experienced DOF. They won't allow anyone to take the club for a ride and that include our own manager.

Poch worked well alongside a DoF at Southampton, well enough that after Poch left for Spurs, his partner in crime followed him shortly after. United was linked with that very same DoF a while back.

Regardless, I'm hoping the next appointment will be considered with a little more care this time around. You'd think the board and Woody in particular should be experts on the subject given this would be the 4th appointment in 5 years.

We're fast becoming Chelsea.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Brobeans is my new favourite word.

Ditto

 

[Sultan]

I'd rather keep Mourinho than Conte. He also fell out with too many players and his digs at upper management was something similar to Jose.

 

[MackRobinson]

Sorry, not reading any of that, brobeans. We agree or we don’t, and that’s ok. I’ve said my position, you’ve said yours. No point beating the horse to death. Take care.

Like I said, we don't have to agree but to call a person obtuse, accuse them of "telling you what your position is", and then dismissing their response to those accusations is very childish stuff. We can disagree without acting like toddlers.

 

[Garethw]

I'd rather keep Mourinho than Conte. He also fell out with too many players and his digs at upper management was something similar to Jose.

Please tell me you haven’t heard something on the grapevine mate?

 

[Camilo]

I think he has to go. The structure of the club might be a bit shambolic, but we have more than enough talent to get some decent football happening. The weekly crap performances are Mourinho's responsibility.

 

[Sultan]

Please tell me you haven’t heard something on the grapevine mate?

Thankfully, only paper talk, Gareth.

 

[devilish]

Poch worked well alongside a DoF at Southampton, well enough that after Poch left for Spurs, his partner in crime followed him shortly after. United was linked with that very same DoF a while back.

Regardless, I'm hoping the next appointment will be considered with a little more care this time around. You'd think the board and Woody in particular should be experts on the subject given this would be the 4th appointment in 5 years.

We're fast becoming Chelsea.

I wouldn't mind having Reed as technical director, Mitchell as head of recruitment and Poch as manager. Reed's and Mitchell's CV reminds me a lot of Marotta and Paratici prior to signing with Juventus. Both had gone up the ranks in their respective jobs and has the necessary experience and success needed to make the next step. The Italian duo have the advantage of having already worked with a top club. Having said that Reed and Mitchell have the advantage of having worked in the UK and would therefore have more contacts locally then Marotta and co. Which kind of even things out.

If you ask me, Id rather see us bring in an entire chain of command (ie Technical Director, Head of Recruitment and manager) who had worked together and know each other well then to see us cherry pick people from different clubs. These sort of jobs rely a lot on knowing and relying heavily on one another. The manager must trust that the head of recruitment is able to bring the players that he needs and that the technical director is developing the youth talent to actually fit into his system. Else we risk having the same circus act we're witnessing at the moment were the CEO seems not trusting the manager with ridiculous sums of money while the manager is constantly jabbing at the club for not supporting him enough. Things can actually be worse then that. I remember an old interview from Silvestre were he revealed that during his time at Inter, the manager there would ask for a striker only to end up with three fullbacks.

 

[meninred]

Mouriniho is a coach of great success with more than 20 trophies. However he doesnot fit for manchester united. His footballing philosophy
will only digress the club.

 

[liamp]

Poch worked well alongside a DoF at Southampton, well enough that after Poch left for Spurs, his partner in crime followed him shortly after. United was linked with that very same DoF a while back.

Les Reed was his DoF at Southampton and he's still with the club. Paul Mitchell was the head of player recruitment and has done that same job at Southampton, Spurs and currently RB Leipzig