The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Vadim]

But some here told me that if Jose was backed, we’d win and score loads of goals?

Sick of the excuses and sick of the manager. But we’ve all said what we think a million times, it won’t change anything.

The fans need to turn in the terraces and they will. They only accept mediocrity for so long.

 

[FootyGirl88]

But if we were being really honest, the person that picked those managers should be going first so he doesn’t choose yet another wrong fit and this arguement goes on for another 2/3 years.

Woodward is an issue this is why I want us to hire a DOF. I don't trust Woodward when it comes to making managerial appointments.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Here we fecking go again. He wasn't then and he's not now.

To be fair, the perception is that he was at the very least on the cusp of being one the best. Since then it seems his team mates were flattering his abilities. Not unlike mata he needs specific qualities around him to get the every best out of him. Other wise he can look somewhere between shit and not as shit. But on his day can be outstanding.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Woodward is an issue this is why I want us to hire a DOF. I don't trust Woodward when it comes to making managerial appointments.

Couldn’t agree more. But the general feeling I’m getting from this thread is sack Jose, ignore everything else. Which IMO would be a huge mistake.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Couldn’t agree more. But the general feeling I’m getting from this thread is sack Jose, ignore everything else. Which IMO would be a huge mistake.

No I think most people here accept all of our issues aren't all down to Jose - well I do anyway.

Woodward and the board are responsible for not setting out a long term structure for the club and giving 3 managers an open cheque book to buy players. This isn't the way to run a football club.

Jose is to blame for the awful performances and results we're seeing now. He doesn't know his best 11 or formation and he's been here 3 season. His man management has been awful and players have been regressing under him. Not to mention someone of his purchases have been very poor.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

No I think most people here accept all of our issues aren't all down to Jose - well I do anyway.

Woodward and the board are responsible for not setting out a long term structure for the club and giving 3 managers an open cheque book to buy players. This isn't the way to run a football club.

Jose is to blame for the awful performances and results we're seeing now. He doesn't know his best 11 or formation and he's been here 3 season. His man management has been awful and players have been regressing under him. Not to mention someone of his purchases have been very poor.

Hard to disagree with this summary.

 

[devilish]

You trivialize his achievements at Madrid but ignore that others couldnt achieve same before he got there.

Pepe and Casillas had issues with Mourinho cos they were past it and he rightfully replaced them with Varane and Lopez. Ronaldo is also a petulant child who probably left Madrid cos he felt he didnt get enough support for his tax troubles. Valdano was a prick who was undermining the manager.

You refer to conte but ignore why he didnt last more than 2 seasons? Since Abramovich bought chelsea, they have had 13 managerial changes and Mourinho's two tenures have been the longest - that is impressive for a petulant problem child.
I have never advocated for Mourinho to get any player he asks for, but that being said, he has repeatedly stated he gives options to the management to sign from and management decides who to sign and how much to pay. If its a problem of overpaying for players, then the problem lies with the person negotiating the deals. If Ed wants to pay 75m for Heskey when he could have gotten a better player at same price, then its on Ed.

Transfer fees are not objective and players wishes (e.g. staying in same country) and relationships between clubs affect the negotiated price. Bonnuci wanted to leave Juve for Milan, Laporte turned down barcelona but willingly joined Citeh, Lenglet chose Barcelona over Madrid, Skriniar rejected Citeh, etc (Cancelo and Odriozola are RBs so not comparable). Milenkovic moved from Partizan and if not evaluated would be a fault on the scouting team.

With the transfer he had made prior, the team finished second, behind Citeh who had a better squad and invested more in the same time frame. Without the proper additions, we would neveer know if the team could have moved up another level.

Also even SAF has his own list of failed transfers with Veron, Bebe, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson sitting comfortably on the list. So a failed transfer is not a death nail on a manager

Bottom line, the idea should not be to give any manager a blank check but to work to address the needs the manager identifies. If the manager asks to fill a crucial position and gives a list to management of his preference, if those players are poor value (e.g. based on what the selling club is demanding), the next move should be to work with scouting team and manager to see if there are better alternatives. But not buying anyone at all is what got us here.

Everyone is at fault, Villanova, Casillas, Ronaldo (possibly the most professional footballer in the last years), Pepe, Emelano, Etoo, the entire Chelsea's dressing room, the entire Real Madrid's dressing room, Carniero, Woodward, the Italian media journalists, even Fecking Stewart Gardner of MUTV.......apart from himself. If he suggest duds its not his fault. If the team regress its not its fault.

Regarding petulance throughout my 35 years of following United I never heard anyone moaning and groaning more then Mou. Jeez does he ever stop jabbing?

Also have you ever pondered about why this moron never managed to get a job at a proper club? He always moved from one clown to another, Abramovich, Moratti, Perez, Abramovich again and now Woodward. The reason being that none of the proper clubs would want to touch him with a barge pole. We would have been in that list if SAF, Charlton and Gill were still there.

No one expects the manager to be infallible. What many expect is for the manager to get on with his fecking job + get the transfers that cost 30m-70m mostly right. Mou brought two CBs who are nowhere near to our level. Mkhitaryan has come and gone, Sanchez had been horrible, Matic lasted just 1 season, Lukaku is so fecking limit that its beggar belief we spent 75m on him and he doesn't even bother giving Fred a real run to settle down. Then he's shocked why the club defy him by not adding his annual 30m+ rated CB. Its beggars belief.

The irony is that he keeps jabbing at our old managers when in reality they gave him most of his best players. DDG and Smalling are SAF's signings. His beloved Fellaini is Moyes's signing, Martial and Shaw are LVG's signing. But as said, its never his fault cause he's the special one.

PS you might not notice but Mou hates working with DOFs. He pretty much ended up fighting with pretty much all of those unlucky enough to work with him. The only person he didn't argue with is Branca ie Moratti's golden boy. He probably learnt that the moment he jabbed at him, Moratti would have showed him the door and Branca would wipe that smirk of his the old Roy Keane way.

 

[GifLord]

Damn. That’s not good at all. Less goals than lvg, that’s bad.

under Moyes/Giggs 29 goals
which means we scored the fewest goals in Mourinho's 1st season - 26


source

 

[MackRobinson]

No it does. The fact we still need to replace players proves it. People need to get over the fact there is no over night remedy to our problems. Sacking the manager didnt work the first or second time. Dont now why you think the thrid time is going to be an different.

I'm not sure what you are replying "No it does" to. My point still stands other clubs had to replace very import players they lost since Jose arrived (Coutinho, Diego Costa, Courtois, etc). Even teams like Juve who have spent a lot had to replace a bunch of players over the last 5 transfer windows (Pogba being one of them). Your notion that all these other teams were simply just adding to their squads while only United had to rebuild is nonsense.

Furthermore, the fact that united need to replace players has a lot to do with Mourinho. He bought the players who's form is currently the worst (Lukaku, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez). He already sold Mkhitaryan who he bought.

I'm honestly trying to understand the point you're trying to make, but I can't.

 

[Rajma]

I'm not sure what you are replying "No it does" to. My point still stands other clubs had to replace very import players they lost since Jose arrived (Coutinho, Diego Costa, Courtois, etc). Even teams like Juve who have spent a lot had to replace a bunch of players over the last 5 transfer windows (Pogba being one of them). Your notion that all these other teams were simply just adding to their squads while only United had to rebuild is nonsense.

Furthermore, the fact that united need to replace players has a lot to do with Mourinho. He bought the players who's form is currently the worst (Lukaku, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez). He already sold Mkhitaryan who he bought.

I'm honestly trying to understand the point you're trying to make, but I can't.

Basically says we should have sticked with Moyes or LvG, clueless. That’s according to his logic.

 

[Random Task]

No one expects the manager to be infallible. What many expect is for the manager to get on with his fecking job + get the transfers that cost 30m-70m mostly right. Mou brought two CBs who are nowhere near to our level. Mkhitaryan has come and gone, Sanchez had been horrible, Matic lasted just 1 season, Lukaku is so fecking limit that its beggar belief we spent 75m on him and he doesn't even bother giving Fred a real run to settle down. Then he's shocked why the club defy him by not adding his annual 30m+ rated CB. Its beggars belief.

And before Jose, there was LVG and his long list of spectacular transfer market fails; BFS, Schneiderlein, Depay, Valdes, Falcao, Di Maria, Blind and anyone else I have failed to mention. Moyes brought in Mata, Rojo and Fellaini before that, all of which have largely failed to impress. A combined figure of £700 million spent on incoming transfers and all we have to show for it is a couple of maybes in Shaw and Martial. Just not good enough.

Who takes responsibility for these failures if not the managers who purchased them?

 

[Minimalist]

Couldn’t agree more. But the general feeling I’m getting from this thread is sack Jose, ignore everything else. Which IMO would be a huge mistake.

Literally no serious posters are saying that.

It’s about priorities and what actions come first. Mourinho is top of the list for multiple reasons. That doesn’t mean we stop correcting other matters after that.

 

[Random Task]

Basically says we should have sticked with Moyes or LvG, clueless. That’s according to his logic.

I'm faily certain that some posters in this thread are merely arguing for the sake of it.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Everyone is at fault, Villanova, Casillas, Ronaldo (possibly the most professional footballer in the last years), Pepe, Emelano, Etoo, the entire Chelsea's dressing room, the entire Real Madrid's dressing room, Carniero, Woodward, the Italian media journalists, even Fecking Stewart Gardner of MUTV.......apart from himself. If he suggest duds its not his fault. If the team regress its not its fault.

Regarding petulance throughout my 35 years of following United I never heard anyone moaning and groaning more then Mou. Jeez does he ever stop jabbing?

Also have you ever pondered about why this moron never managed to get a job at a proper club? He always moved from one clown to another, Abramovich, Moratti, Perez, Abramovich again and now Woodward. The reason being that none of the proper clubs would want to touch him with a barge pole. We would have been in that list if SAF, Charlton and Gill were still there.

No one expects the manager to be infallible. What many expect is for the manager to get on with his fecking job + get the transfers that cost 30m-70m mostly right. Mou brought two CBs who are nowhere near to our level. Mkhitaryan has come and gone, Sanchez had been horrible, Matic lasted just 1 season, Lukaku is so fecking limit that its beggar belief we spent 75m on him and he doesn't even bother giving Fred a real run to settle down. Then he's shocked why the club defy him by not adding his annual 30m+ rated CB. Its beggars belief.

The irony is that he keeps jabbing at our old managers when in reality they gave him most of his best players. DDG and Smalling are SAF's signings. His beloved Fellaini is Moyes's signing, Martial and Shaw are LVG's signing. But as said, its never his fault cause he's the special one.

PS you might not notice but Mou hates working with DOFs. He pretty much ended up fighting with pretty much all of those unlucky enough to work with him. The only person he didn't argue with is Branca ie Moratti's golden boy. He probably learnt that the moment he jabbed at him, Moratti would have showed him the door and Branca would wipe that smirk of his the old Roy Keane way.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[We need an rvn]

If we assume he's off, and without me having to go through 11k worth of posts, what is anyone's thoughts on Xavi taking over?

Before I get hounded out I actually it could be a genius appointment. Can't get any worse than Moyes can it.

There are a lot of pro's. He understands and wants to play attacking / possession football, not defensive. He's played under huge pressure at Barca and Spain and will demand respect, probably more so than LVG etc as he hasn't got anything negative against him yet. He has the star quality to keep the likes of Pogba etc well within control and more.

Cons - no experience yet but then neither did Zidane. Might not speak English but gives a shite

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Literally no serious posters are saying that.

It’s about priorities and what actions come first. Mourinho is top of the list for multiple reasons. That doesn’t mean we stop correcting other matters after that.

That’s just disingenuous bullshit. That’s the majority opinion, other wise the poll would be about getting rid of Woodward so the next guy can bring in a better suited manger. I’ve seen very little of that, but page after page of “Jose is the devil!”.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Basically says we should have sticked with Moyes or LvG, clueless. That’s according to his logic.

No I didn’t. Basically or otherwise.

 

[el3mel]

And before Jose, there was LVG and his long list of spectacular transfer market fails; BFS, Schneiderlein, Depay, Valdes, Falcao, Di Maria, Blind and anyone else I have failed to mention. Moyes brought in Mata, Rojo and Fellaini before that, all of which have largely failed to impress. A combined figure of £700 million spent on incoming transfers and all we have to show for it is a couple of maybes in Shaw and Martial. Just not good enough.

Who takes responsibility for these failures if not the managers who purchased them?

Impossible to absolve Ed from the blame for this because at the end, he's the one who hired these managers + he's the one who's letting the club lives or dies with managers choice in the market.

If we have a certain strategy, hire managers that fit this strategy and sign players that fit this strategy, I don't think we would have been in such situation.

We're at a situation where we're waiting for a manager that all his choices in the market will be absolutely spot on for us to succeed. No manager gets all his transfers spot on, that's why clubs have moved from this way of managing the football side.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

No I think most people here accept all of our issues aren't all down to Jose - well I do anyway.

Woodward and the board are responsible for not setting out a long term structure for the club and giving 3 managers an open cheque book to buy players. This isn't the way to run a football club.

Jose is to blame for the awful performances and results we're seeing now. He doesn't know his best 11 or formation and he's been here 3 season. His man management has been awful and players have been regressing under him. Not to mention someone of his purchases have been very poor.

Yours is an opinion I see very rarely. This thread is 294 pages of people saying the same thing over and over again, Jose out. Woodward’s has 99 pages with no poles, and no outrageous posts about how he’s destroying the club etc etc etc.

The rest of what you say, I can’t argue against.

 

[sunama]

You’re clearly on a wind up now. You’re either related to Jose, a Liverpool fan or Jose Mourinho himself.

Can you imagine Jose sitting at a computer reading the comments and defending himself?

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I'm not sure what you are replying "No it does" to. My point still stands other clubs had to replace very import players they lost since Jose arrived (Coutinho, Diego Costa, Courtois, etc). Even teams like Juve who have spent a lot had to replace a bunch of players over the last 5 transfer windows (Pogba being one of them). Your notion that all these other teams were simply just adding to their squads while only United had to rebuild is nonsense.

Furthermore, the fact that united need to replace players has a lot to do with Mourinho. He bought the players who's form is currently the worst (Lukaku, Matic, Bailly, Lindelof, Sanchez). He already sold Mkhitaryan who he bought.

I'm honestly trying to understand the point you're trying to make, but I can't.

They’ve had to replace some, we have had to replace pretty much all. City had a strong team already, they had the behind the senses sorted already, we had a bunch of left overs from 3 different managers that no one knew how to make work together. Pep made mistakes in his hiring, and replaced them the next window. Jose made mistakes and was barred from fixing it.

You’re just going to have to accept that it’s not all on Jose. There’s far more wrong here than just one man.

 

[Rajma]

No I didn’t. Basically or otherwise.

Well your logic for not sacking Jose is basically that or you can’t articulate your argument properly.

 

[devilish]

And before Jose, there was LVG and his long list of spectacular transfer market fails; BFS, Schneiderlein, Depay, Valdes, Falcao, Di Maria, Blind and anyone else I have failed to mention. Moyes brought in Mata, Rojo and Fellaini before that, all of which have largely failed to impress. A combined figure of £700 million spent on incoming transfers and all we have to show for it is a couple of maybes in Shaw and Martial. Just not good enough.

Who takes responsibility for these failures if not the managers who purchased them?

I fully agree which is why I think we need to invest heavily on our football structure starting with a CEO who is well versed in football and a DOF. However that's beside the scope of the argument. If Mou finds it appropriate to jab at Moyes/LVGs signings or lack of 'squad inheritance' then surely he can't shirk his responsibility about his own signings.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

What's he getting away with?

Not one of them would have sacked him. Not Madrid, not Chelsea, not United.

What, Real Madrid who sack managers after they win the league wouldn’t boot him for being in 10th? Heck he’d have been in jeapordy finishing where he did last season that far off of 1st position. Zidane was rumoured to be in danger early last season.

 

[Schneckerl]

What's he getting away with?

Not one of them would have sacked him. Not Madrid, not Chelsea, not United.

He would have been sacked months ago.

Well considering we literally have an example to compare with at Chelsea, and Madrid are currently struggling in a 2 team league it's not overly difficult to conclude he wouldn't be sacked at this point.

They are 7th right now and are about to sack their manager after 10 games so your comparison disproves what you're saying? Mourinho has way over 100 games here.

 

[Water Melon]

Everyone is at fault, Villanova, Casillas, Ronaldo (possibly the most professional footballer in the last years), Pepe, Emelano, Etoo, the entire Chelsea's dressing room, the entire Real Madrid's dressing room, Carniero, Woodward, the Italian media journalists, even Fecking Stewart Gardner of MUTV.......apart from himself. If he suggest duds its not his fault. If the team regress its not its fault.

Regarding petulance throughout my 35 years of following United I never heard anyone moaning and groaning more then Mou. Jeez does he ever stop jabbing?

Also have you ever pondered about why this moron never managed to get a job at a proper club? He always moved from one clown to another, Abramovich, Moratti, Perez, Abramovich again and now Woodward. The reason being that none of the proper clubs would want to touch him with a barge pole. We would have been in that list if SAF, Charlton and Gill were still there.

No one expects the manager to be infallible. What many expect is for the manager to get on with his fecking job + get the transfers that cost 30m-70m mostly right. Mou brought two CBs who are nowhere near to our level. Mkhitaryan has come and gone, Sanchez had been horrible, Matic lasted just 1 season, Lukaku is so fecking limit that its beggar belief we spent 75m on him and he doesn't even bother giving Fred a real run to settle down. Then he's shocked why the club defy him by not adding his annual 30m+ rated CB. Its beggars belief.

The irony is that he keeps jabbing at our old managers when in reality they gave him most of his best players. DDG and Smalling are SAF's signings. His beloved Fellaini is Moyes's signing, Martial and Shaw are LVG's signing. But as said, its never his fault cause he's the special one.

PS you might not notice but Mou hates working with DOFs. He pretty much ended up fighting with pretty much all of those unlucky enough to work with him. The only person he didn't argue with is Branca ie Moratti's golden boy. He probably learnt that the moment he jabbed at him, Moratti would have showed him the door and Branca would wipe that smirk of his the old Roy Keane way.

One hell of a rant, and I fully agree with each and every word in it.

 

[Amir]

You think we were in a better position to attract players when we finished 7th, or 6th @Amir?

It wasn't what I meant. I simply rejected the notion that because we were second we were a club on the up. The quality of football told me - and I assume others - otherwise.

Mind you, for arguments sake, I don't think we were less attractive when finishing sixth or seventh. We were still United, still had big money and still had big ambitions. That speaks louder than a bad season.

 

[Minimalist]

That’s just disingenuous bullshit. That’s the majority opinion, other wise the poll would be about getting rid of Woodward so the next guy can bring in a better suited manger. I’ve seen very little of that, but page after page of “Jose is the devil!”.

You sound awfully unhinged. And you didn't understand my point by the looks of it.

 

[sunama]

Since he was rumoured to have been a dead man walking, he's barely beaten the 2nd worst team in the league, at home, drawn one and lost one.

And seems to have no pressure on him anymore.

I don't understand.

We beat Newcastle fair and square.
Just because a team loses to Juve, it doesn't make that team a bad one. Juve are one of the favourites to win the CL. That's how good they are.
Chelsea got a very lucky draw in the last 30 seconds of the match. They themselves would admit that they were lucky.

Any manager who beats Newcastle, loses by 1 goal to the CL favourites and draws against arguably the best team in the league, will not be sacked or feel extra pressure.
If I were Jose's boss, I'd be okay with those results.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Well your logic for not sacking Jose is basically that or you can’t articulate your argument properly.

I never made an argument for or against sacking Jose. My argument was against some of the bullshit reasons that have been used to throw him under his own bus.

But if you want my opinion, it’s that I’d like to see what would happen without Woodward as our defeacto dof. Would Jose make the team, club better if he had someone that would work closely with him like at inter, or is he actually just fecked now? Either way, Woodward is a huge probably and sacking Jose before getting rid of Woodward would just doom us to 2 or 3 more years of the same shit. I’d like to move forward and if it’s not with Jose, I don’t want it to be with someone that’s the choice of the man that gave us moyes, lvg and then Jose. Call me silly, but I’d like a fresh perspective from higher up than just the managers seat.

 

[MackRobinson]

They’ve had to replace some, we have had to replace pretty much all. City had a strong team already, they had the behind the senses sorted already, we had a bunch of left overs from 3 different managers that no one knew how to make work together. Pep made mistakes in his hiring, and replaced them the next window. Jose made mistakes and was barred from fixing it.

You’re just going to have to accept that it’s not all on Jose. There’s far more wrong here than just one man.

How many signings has Mourinho gotten right vs wrong? Honest question. List them out if you don't mind.

Please stop with the strawman "It's not all on Jose" rubbish. Never said it was all on Jose and most people aren't saying that. He's the manager and ultimately if the squad is playing like shit and looking like it regressed that's on him. Who do you think it's easier to replace? An ownership group or the manager? A CEO or manager? The answer is obvious, and you have to address the issues that are easiest to deal with first.

That’s just disingenuous bullshit. That’s the majority opinion, other wise the poll would be about getting rid of Woodward so the next guy can bring in a better suited manger. I’ve seen very little of that, but page after page of “Jose is the devil!”.

You are in a thread that's titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go?" and you are complaining about this not being about Woodward? This is the stuff that completely does my head in and they reason why people are so hostile to those who unnecessarily defend Jose. Bringing up Woodward or the Glazers is nothing but a red herring. We are talking about Mourinho and his style of play, progression of players, and results.

 

[Rajma]

What, Real Madrid who sack managers after they win the league wouldn’t boot him for being in 10th? Heck he’d have been in jeapordy finishing where he did last season that far off of 1st position. Zidane was rumoured to be in danger early last season.

He’s openly trolling now, scouse cnut.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

You sound awfully unhinged. And you didn't understand my point by the looks of it.

I “sound” unhinged? The voice you have in your head for reading my posts is all on you I’m afraid. I take nothing to do with it. But ok, let’s say I didn’t understand your point. It happens. So if you want, you can explain to me like I’m the idiot you think I am.

 

[KingMinger22]

We have a pretty shit squad and team.

His signings have been very mixed.

The club is literally going nowhere. I don’t see us being good again in the next three years.

The only possible way to turn things around would be a ridiculous injection of cash that is spent well. I’m talking half a billion pounds ridiculous.

 

[devilish]

Couldn’t agree more. But the general feeling I’m getting from this thread is sack Jose, ignore everything else. Which IMO would be a huge mistake.

I strongly disagree. Most want United to bring in a DOF, something that is probably not possible with Mou still around. I think we need both a DOF and a joint CEO who knows football inside out and can take the football side of things from Woody.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Please stop with the strawman "It's not all on Jose" rubbish. Never said it was all on Jose and most people aren't saying that. He's the manager and ultimately if the squad is playing like shit and looking like it regressed that's on him. Who do you think it's easier to replace? An ownership group or the manager? A CEO or manager? The answer is obvious, and you have to address the issues that are easiest to deal with.


You are in a thread that's titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go?" and you are complaining about this not being about Woodward? This is the stuff that completely does my head in and they reason why people are so hostile to those who unnecessarily defend Jose. Bringing up Woodward or the Glazers is nothing but a red herring. We are talking about Mourinho and his style of play, progression of players, and results.

Ok I stopped reading at most people aren’t saying that, which is utter rubbish. That’s all anyone is saying. It’s not a straw man, it’s a fact. I want woody to go before Jose. What’s the point other wise? Get in yet another woody pick? Because he’s done such a great job so far?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Please stop with the strawman "It's not all on Jose" rubbish. Never said it was all on Jose and most people aren't saying that. He's the manager and ultimately if the squad is playing like shit and looking like it regressed that's on him. Who do you think it's easier to replace? An ownership group or the manager? A CEO or manager? The answer is obvious, and you have to address the issues that are easiest to deal with.


You are in a thread that's titled "The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go?" and you are complaining about this not being about Woodward? This is the stuff that completely does my head in and they reason why people are so hostile to those who unnecessarily defend Jose. Bringing up Woodward or the Glazers is nothing but a red herring. We are talking about Mourinho and his style of play, progression of players, and results.

The lack of signings if on the board and Woodward. The tactics are one man's fault and that is Jose. It does make you doubt the ability of our players when we are in this situation, but they should be capable of better than this. Just think Jose is creating a terribly negative attitude around them.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I strongly disagree. Most want United to bring in a DOF, something that is probably not possible with Mou still around. I think we need both a DOF and a joint CEO who knows football inside out and can take the football side of things from Woody.

But if we get rid of Jose, woody will just bring in another one he thinks is good enough. Bring in the dof first and let him choose the next manager. Have the dof set the club up from top to bottom with no leftovers from Woodward. Doesn’t that make more sense?

 

[Rajma]

I never made an argument for or against sacking Jose. My argument was against some of the bullshit reasons that have been used to throw him under his own bus.

But if you want my opinion, it’s that I’d like to see what would happen without Woodward as our defeacto dof. Would Jose make the team, club better if he had someone that would work closely with him like at inter, or is he actually just fecked now? Either way, Woodward is a huge probably and sacking Jose before getting rid of Woodward would just doom us to 2 or 3 more years of the same shit. I’d like to move forward and if it’s not with Jose, I don’t want it to be with someone that’s the choice of the man that gave us moyes, lvg and then Jose. Call me silly, but I’d like a fresh perspective from higher up than just the managers seat.

I do get it but we all know Woodward is going nowhere so the most we can hope for is him at some point getting lucky with the appointment as he indeed is a bit of the clown when it comes to footballing matters and yet Jose is not the answer that much is evident by now.

 

[Random Task]

Impossible to absolve Ed from the blame for this because at the end, he's the one who hired these managers + he's the one who's letting the club lives or dies with managers choice in the market.

If we have a certain strategy, hire managers that fit this strategy and sign players that fit this strategy, I don't think we would have been in such situation.

We're at a situation where we're waiting for a manager that all his choices in the market will be absolutely spot on for us to succeed. No manager gets all his transfers spot on, that's why clubs have moved from this way of managing the football side.

You can blame Woody for the managerial appointments failing dramatically but I don't see how he takes responsibility for the transfer market fails as well. £700 million spent on players and not a single one could you classify as a success. That's either incredibly bad luck or gross incompetence on the managers part by either misjudging their ability to adapt to his chosen system or they were simply not good enough in the first place. Woody is a chairman, not a DOF, he only signs players that his manager has specifically requested.

I agree, there is no structure at the club right now, certainly not a viable one with a clear end-goal, rather a scattergun approach akin to how Real do business. But the truth is, if around 40% of those failed transfers turned out to be successful signings, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.