Why is it these "other clubs" always turn out to be the same club, Chelsea?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Skriniar cost £12m (it might be more but what ever it was it was cheap). It's not United's fault Mourinho doesn't develop youth. He could have told the board to get him Icardi for far less than Lukaku if he wanted but he didn't. There is no one to blame for transfer mistakes but Mourinho, on purchases that is. Obviously if Ed fails to agree a fee, that's on him.
Jose literally tried to sign Pogba when he was still at Chelsea. There is no way that Jose wasn’t overjoyed that he was finally able to get his hands on Pogba.
Just wondering - at what other big club would Mourinho get away with this shit?
I'm no fan of Woodward but it's hardly that simple - some clubs just don't want to sell, some players just don't fancy working with Mourinho, some players don't fancy living in Manchester etc
What's he getting away with?
Not one of them would have sacked him. Not Madrid, not Chelsea, not United.
None. The only reason he was given such a long stay of execution at Chelsea was because of his history there and the league title the season before. At any of Madrid, Bayern etc he would be sacked for a combination of his eye gouging quality of football, sitting in tenth place after 1/4 of the season has gone, and acting like a petulant child at every given opportunity by taking pot shots and his bosses and players without any regard.
it's an interesting question
Chelsea obviously put up with it for a few months during his last tenure but Chelsea won the league which bought him credit then imploded the next season
Jose and his negativity have been rife since February really - sporadic outbursts before that - obviously linked to form and results
May was 100% the time to let him go - I'm still baffled why the club were willing to extend his contract- obviously just viewing him as a CL qualification certainty in spite of the shit football and unrest in the camp
Agreed, but it's not the managers job to get the players. For instance if we want Fabregas and he wants to come to United, you get the deal done. Perisic is another example of a deal that should have been done. You can't just let him off scotch free for not getting targets.
Second in the league, played us with PSG. The crap funnily enough came after his contract extension.
LVG did in fact fall out with the players, so much so that he made dummy e-mails to weed out those that stopped listening to him. Moyes also lost the players as said by former players. Moyes did 'drag clubs good name through the mud' and saying otherwise is blatant propaganda. LVG however, was very respectful to the club while he was manager. The stuff about 'the worst to be displayed in the history of the game' is blatant WUMming or plain idiocy.
It's completely absurd and nonsensical to say that Mourinho who has lasted the longest out of the 3 managers and performed the best out of the 3 will get worse treatment when he is sacked.
Jose Mourinho will get sacked when the gap to the top 4 is too big. That's the criteria that's been used for several years. If we lose lots of games in the next 1-2 months we'll be near the relegation zone so he'll get sacked, or if we go on a run he'll get a chance to see out the season.
I have predicted since the Spurs defeat that Mourinho will not be here come the end of the season, and I have the opinion that he should be sacked if we do not improve from last season which we obviously haven't. I just don't interject my own emotions into the situation, I dislike many things Mourinho has done (for example when he publically criticizes players) but those in charge don't care about stuff like that because they are not fans they are money people.
On purchases maybe, certainly the likes of Lukaku and Fred. Lindelöf I'm unsure if that was a scouting purchase or Mourinho.
No doubt the money could have been spent better, for example the Lukaku money really should have been getting us one of the best forwards in the World. If we couldn't get anyone that good, we'd have been better off spending that money on VVD and playing Martial up top until the following Jan (when Sanchez was available) or the next Summer.
Yup.
I think there's another consideration
maybe the board are thinking of the next 5-10 years rather than the next 2 years in terms of signings to a degree
there's certainly blame and we saw an example the other night - Shaw has been good this season but how fantastic was Sandro the other night - head and shoulders above any of our fullbacks and very gettable if you believe reports
Director of Football and a clear strategy to how we want to play and, by extension, who we want to sign is badly overdue
like the flick of a switch! awful timing
had they held off to after Sevilla they still might have offered the deal.....Glazers number 1 priority is CL qualification and we achieved 2nd whilst serving up turd on the pitch
They all did actually
So if he's still here in January and we get more defenders, we'll now have Lindelof, Bailly, Fred, possibly Sanchez chilling on the bench
. Now imagine if those defenders come in and we still don't improve at all... and he decides to bench them too
. Now imagine if those defenders come in and we still don't improve at all... and he decides to bench them tooMadrid would have definitely sacked him by now.
When was the last time a Madrid manager survived 2 seasons without a league or a CL title? Let alone being 10th into his third?
In fairness @Sir Scott McToMinay, when was the last time a manager took over Real Madrid after they had finished 5th, 4th and 7th in the 3 previous seasons?
He left Madrid at the end of the season, Chelsea sacked him in December.
Funny that, because both clubs have already sacked him for being a c--t, one of them has even sacked him twice.
He wasn't sacked by Madrid.
Thing is Lindelof wasn’t a bargain basement defender. He was part of one of the best defences in Europe and was also highly regarded by many. The player we see now is a shadow of the one that played for Benfica or even Sweden so don’t think it’s right to make out like he was a nobody when he was in some parts regarded a lot more than Laporte. Hasn’t worked for him at United, simple as that.
There was a “rumour” I think it was mentioned on SS but seemingly when Liverpool’s move for VVDJK was almost completed United inquired too late. Anyway in my opinion the squad finished where it should have last season and this season I would say it should be 2 or 3rd and those are the expectations. This squad certainly has talent, we’ve seen it in 20 minute burst but it’s not good enough to take City on for a season and certainly not good enough to win the champs but it is talented, which is what I feel a lot of people over look and I do think Fergie would have this team a lot further along in its progression and have it looking like it knew what it was doing.
Chances are he would won a league title with Madrid, let's be honest. It's the way La Liga is.
Well no, not quite...
"Highly regarded by many", you see, I live in Sweden and he wasn't even highly regarded here, a place where any half decent footballer is worshipped.
It has talent, no doubt. Our CF, whilst a good goalscorer when in form isn't the talent it should be though and our back 4 is awful.
Which defender did you guys worship? I can't remember Mellberg being worshiped.
I thought Zlatan was like your god and when he gives the nod of approval his word is gospel? Anyway he was highly regarded around Europe had Scouts from all the big teams watching him was part of 1 of the best defences in Europe so again let’s not make out like he was some scrubber picked up from the championship.
So you're actually Jose out. You do believe his time is up you just don't know what the board have planned in terms of his successor. You should change your vote.
I'm certain of one thing. If we can appoint his successor before the end of the season we should. The sooner the better. In an ideal world gets enough time with the squad to figure out what's needed in the summer. Last thing we need is another manager saying he needs to use his first full season to figure things out.
My opinion on the whole thing is there are talented individuals in pretty much every position however we can’t (he can’t) get it to work as a unit or to its strengths in any section. We don’t even do the basics as a team right and there is no way these guys could make it this far if that isn’t down to coaching. We did more of the rights things in terms of controlling games and working situations under LVG than Jose and LVG had a far worse team. I just can’t beleive that here we are in the 3rd season and Jose still hasn’t been able to get this team to look like it has any clue in what it’s supposed to be doing, it’s not good and I have no faith if he was given another 500 mil he’d fix it. Obviously Jose isn’t entirely to blame the players do need to share in it.
Can we not just turn it off and back on again and see if it works
Yeah Mellberg was loved, abso-fecking-lutely.
And lately is been Granqvist, completely adored.
Can we not just turn it off and back on again and see if it works
hahah!
I believe Jose gave up though after the Summer, his petulance about not getting what he wanted is affecting everything he does.
Mourinho must be the only employee in the world allowed to publicly take potshots at his employers and staff and discredit his company's "heritage" while failing at his work, and still keep his job.
I think Jose was told when he came that he was to rebuild the squad and he would have full backing. The board have then let him down and he's not happy with it, understandably. They give him a contract and then fail to back him when we needed it most, to make that extra push.
Any manager in the game would be pissed off with that.
I think it's fair to say Mourinho bought players every window so far to improve, and we've improved. If any manager then wants another £120m to improve further, I'd hope it'd be granted. The money spent on Lindelöf and Bailly as current improvements is fine by me, I don't care one bit if they were only good enough for the squad goals last season and another £100m on CB's is needed now. That's how PSG, Chelsea, City rebuilt their squads.
Still... being "pissed off" and "sabotaging your season", as Mourinho appears to be doing is something different altogether.
True but he's not acted in the right way either constantly taking shots at the board and not getting on with it. Pochettino was given no money and he doesn't make any drama. They are 2 points off top and have a chance to overtake City if they win this weekend. Sure you might not be happy about it but there are ways of improving your team without spending millions. If you can't spend your way out of trouble coach your way out of trouble.
Agreed.
The fact that:
a) there are no obvious candidates available to replace him
b) he'll have a clause in his contract that reduces his payout if he's sacked after failing to qualify for the CL
...means he's likely to be here until at least April/May. Better get used to it.
a) there are no obvious candidates available to replace him
b) he'll have a clause in his contract that reduces his payout if he's sacked after failing to qualify for the CL
...means he's likely to be here until at least April/May. Better get used to it.
I honestly believe that LVG only had the clubs best interests at heart when discussing its affairs - at least while he was in charge. Arrogant, volatile and passionate is how I would describe the man. He believed in what he was doing. I never got the sense of malicious or vindictive intent during his interviews, unlike Jose Mourinho, whose own need for self-preservation supercedes that of the club, the players and its fanbase. Moyes was simply not fit for the role. period. Anything he said or did during his tenure is best forgotten.
Jose's style of football is the worst I have ever seen, personally, that you (unsurprisingly) disagree does not make it a WUM or idiotic. Can you recall a worse brand of football ever to be displayed by a United team? If so, go ahead and name it before throwing around petty insults.
Jose will be despised after he is sacked, purely for the disrespect he has shown and continues to show the club. He has no defence.
So you believe he deserves the sack but not until top 4 is mathematically impossible. The likelihood of him turning this debacle around is slim to none, we both know that, so why delay the inevitable? Surely the club would be better served cutting ties with Jose now and to allow the new manager time to assess and begin rectifying the situation as soon as humanly possible.
There is absolutely no benefit in keeping Jose on at this point. The board's reluctance to pay out his due compensation after he is sacked is the only reason he remains in my opinion.
We've assembled one of the most expensive squads in history. Money is not the issue. There's no reason for us - absolutely no reason - to be languishing in the mid table with 1/4 quarter of the season gone.
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