The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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Everything he's saying, from Everton ambitions, to keeping De Gea, to Juventus being a big club with a big future, it's all about pointing fingers at Ed and the board. The speculation might be off him for the time being, but he's not helping himself at all. You'd think he'd want to revel in the attention if we were at the top of the league and smashing it, but since we are 11th or something and already out of a cup, you'd think he'd keep a low profile and move on.

It's the middle of the season now, window is closed, shut up and get on with it. What is starting a war with your employers going to achieve at this stage?

He sounds like someone who cannot get his own way and as sure as hell does not like it? All he will be seeing is his CV with another black mark on it. It is about him and not about what harm is being done to the team and the reputation of the club.
It is a mess. He snipes at the board and they leak stories to the press, back and forth and bugger the consequences.
It's a destructive personality. You won't give me what I want, so now you will suffer.
I can't remember the last time Pochettino referred to Spurs' transfer fiasco.
I personally think he's to emotional. A rational man would realise these comments won't do him any good.
I can't escape the feeling that he already decided this season was a failure long before the season started. Look at his comments from the summer?
The situation is fecked .
 
Wow. 287 pages most with widely differing options.

That is not a surprise as it is clear that Jose divides opinions almost unlike any other manager. Even Abramovich grew to hate him.

No single reason apart from the fact that he is a very complex character.
I have read his book and it is very clear that (at work) he is totally single minded.

To understand this we need to look back at how he became so successful at both Porto and Chelsea. In both cases the players almost fell in love with him and his charisma.

He developed a style of play that relied on every player consistently producing 8/10 performances.
No one can argue with the results.

Now. He is still only 55 and should be in his prime.

I don’t buy this 3rd season issue. That is just an excuse.

Non of us really understands why he is how he is but it is affecting the whole club.

Up to now I have been to big fan of him and was delighted when he was appointed.
Unfortunately I am being to wonder if he is capable of turning round the massive supertanker that United have become...and he is probably beginning to have self doubt.
 
Wow. 287 pages most with widely differing options.

That is not a surprise as it is clear that Jose divides opinions almost unlike any other manager. Even Abramovich grew to hate him.

No single reason apart from the fact that he is a very complex character.
I have read his book and it is very clear that (at work) he is totally single minded.

To understand this we need to look back at how he became so successful at both Porto and Chelsea. In both cases the players almost fell in love with him and his charisma.

He developed a style of play that relied on every player consistently producing 8/10 performances.
No one can argue with the results.

Now. He is still only 55 and should be in his prime.

I don’t buy this 3rd season issue. That is just an excuse.

Non of us really understands why he is how he is but it is affecting the whole club.

Up to now I have been to big fan of him and was delighted when he was appointed.
Unfortunately I am being to wonder if he is capable of turning round the massive supertanker that United have become...and he is probably beginning to have self doubt.

He is like a faded matinee idol that everybody thought was sexy now he looks rather shabby and downtrodden.
 
Everything he's saying, from Everton ambitions, to keeping De Gea, to Juventus being a big club with a big future, it's all about pointing fingers at Ed and the board. The speculation might be off him for the time being, but he's not helping himself at all. You'd think he'd want to revel in the attention if we were at the top of the league and smashing it, but since we are 11th or something and already out of a cup, you'd think he'd keep a low profile and move on.

This Summer has obviously pissed him off no end, and he's allowed to effect the entire club.

He would've been better off quitting in July if he was as pissed off as he's showing now because the results and performance are reflecting terribly on him.
 
Never actually believed he was trying to get sacked but now it's more than plausible he doesn't want to be around to manage this car crash of a season. Like th guy who quits a game of Fifa after going 3 down and doesn't want to play anymore


That's the vibe I'm getting to be honest. He knows we're screwed and he can't turn it around. Ideally, he's hoping we fire him and he walks straight into the Madrid job with his payoff.
 
Never actually believed he was trying to get sacked but now it's more than plausible he doesn't want to be around to manage this car crash of a season. Like th guy who quits a game of Fifa after going 3 down and doesn't want to play anymore

He's just had the most awful defeatist attitude since the Summer, embarrassing. Feel he cares more about showing up the board and Woodwood than he does about winning, bizarre.
 
It’s painful to have this still going in my opinion. He clearly doesn’t want to be here after the board vetoed his transfer plans and his level of stubbornness means it’ll take a miracle for him to get back on board, which going from his past experiences means no chance.

I didn’t expect flamboyant attacking football from him. I expected a well oiled efficient but effective winning machine that would very comfortably win most games and be hard to score against.

But we’re one win in seven, which coupled with the dour football surely means the sack is close for him.
 
He sounds like someone who cannot get his own way and as sure as hell does not like it? All he will be seeing is his CV with another black mark on it. It is about him and not about what harm is being done to the team and the reputation of the club.
It is a mess. He snipes at the board and they leak stories to the press, back and forth and bugger the consequences.
You are absolutely right. A man in his 50s acting like spoilt child.
He wants us to sack him so he can take his pay out. He doesn't care about the club or the fans. Still puzzles me that some fans support him. The man cares nothing for them. He just manipulated them.
 
Nice cherrypicking there. We were 5th in the table during the time you mentioned, not languishing at 10th. Also in that random season you picked just to prove your point, we were still in the league cup. So your comparison to prove that we have been in this situation before, still fails.

The difference between then and now is, the league was much less competitive than now. We have atleast 5 teams playing better than us, 3 of whom we are yet to face.

Nothing was Cherry Picked, a similar situation is worthy of comparison for some much needed perspective. Position is irrelevant at this stage, which was one of the the points I was making. And we hadn't played in the league cup at this time that season (played Crewe on the 26th, won 3-0).
 
It's a destructive personality. You won't give me what I want, so now you will suffer.
I can't remember the last time Pochettino referred to Spurs' transfer fiasco.
I personally think he's to emotional. A rational man would realise these comments won't do him any good.
I can't escape the feeling that he already decided this season was a failure long before the season started. Look at his comments from the summer?
The situation is fecked .
He's a narcissist. That's how they behave.

He's also trying to blame everyone else because no other big club will want him after he's sacked. I'd be shocked if Madrid are really interested in him. Sounds like a ploy from him and his agent, leaking shit to make him still look relevant.
 
Ssshhhh Incey... Don't talk too much sense, Ex players can't recommend sacking the manager. You might get away with it though. You played for Liverpool.

Paul Ince specialises in certified boll*cks. Should we remind him of his managerial pedigree. Next you'll get a quote from managerial extraordinaire, Steve Kean, like Ince, a heavy weight in the field.
 
You are absolutely right. A man in his 50s acting like spoilt child.
He wants us to sack him so he can take his pay out. He doesn't care about the club or the fans. Still puzzles me that some fans support him. The man cares nothing for them. He just manipulated them.
They are supporting because they are terrified of what could happen next. I actually don't blame them for that when you see what has happened since SAF and Gill left and who is running the club.
 
Paul Ince specialises in certified boll*cks. Should we remind him of his managerial pedigree. Next you'll get a quote from managerial extraordinaire, Steve Kean, like Ince, a heavy weight in the field.

We listen to Gary Neville thought. Great manager.
 
They are supporting because they are terrified of what could happen next. I actually don't blame them for that when you see what has happened since SAF and Gill left and who is running the club.
But you can't let fear hold you back. I agree they're probably wondering who can make things right. However, you just have to try until you get the right mix. Jose is completely destructive and will hurt the club further if we don't get rid asap. You have to get over the fear and get on with it.
 
On his press conferences/general behaviour - it seems majority think that he has lost his cockiness and he is no longer the media darling because of that.

However, I think he is still handling the media and behaving in a similar way but without success it just comes across as cringe worthy/stupid. Him throwing his medal to the supporter or shaking opposition managers hand 30 seconds before full time were just as ridiculous and petty but were masked by his continued success. We are unfortunately stuck with a manager who will keep criticising his players, Ed and the club's history with his snide remarks and for that reason alone he should be booted out.
 
Screw the board for letting this carry on. Every week Jose gives oppo fans material to laugh at us with. At least Moyes was a clown because he couldnt help the small time mentality. Jose is just plain being a self-destructive petulant brat out of spite
 
Circus Mourinho is acceptable only if accompanied by success—mainly in the Premier League and the Champions League. Wins and trophies in both competitions continue to look less likely whilst this predicament goes on. Never mind the fact how we play and our lack of control in matches on a consistent basis, clearer than ever by our current run: one win out of seven.

With the most recent press conference fresh in memory, it provides a good example to use as one point, amongst many, to criticise him. Rather than mentioning a player that hasn't retired, Martial, for instance, Mourinho instead felt the need to be humorous (or whatever that was) and said that Carrick can't play as a striker. Great, very insightful.

Of course, that in itself isn't a big deal. It's the accumulation of all his headline-grabbing (some of them controversial, if you will) comments since joining us. Stacking them together, that is one tiresome pile. I am absolutely certain we'd also find a lot of it to be contradictory compared to each other in a chronological timeline.

Despite his comments, his at times dour demeanour, and his general idea of football (cede possession to avoid making mistakes—I'm okay with that too, depending on the opposition and occasion) and other negative points, my biggest issue with Mourinho still remains elsewhere, which is his astonishing failure in building a balanced and competitive squad for the level that Manchester United should be competing at. Yes, a messy cleanup was expected, but in the five transfer windows since Van Gaal was sacked, as many others have pointed out on this forum, he's definitely not amended that, perhaps having made it even worse.

To avoid further disarray, I was steadfast in the notion that Mourinho must stay and see the season out. Now, that idea makes me concerned.
 
FFS what are the board waiting for??? he fecked up and and we are going backward, they must understand this will come and bite them if they dont act quickly, united wont be generating money like this in the near future because the club is in the decline and the revenues will eventually fade. I wont talk about the footballing aspect because I know they are not interested in it.
 
It’s best for all parties if we part ways now I think. It’s a shame really, he’s a top coach and it could’ve worked here. The hideous side of the media and the fans have not helped, no has many of his decisions. I hope he doesn’t go back to Madrid because I have a feeling he’d sort them out.
 
Let's do him like Napoli were going to do sarri. We don't sack the fecker keep paying his salary but have another manager. If he wants to go to Madrid or wherever he will have to resign. We ain't paying him anything. At least Moyes tried unfortunately for him he was shyte
 
There's a reason why Mou had moved from one clown to another (Abramovich, Moratti, Perez, Abramovich again and Woody). Any club with proper football experienced CEOs and DOFs in place would stir away from this toxic person. He's a drama queen whose got absolutely no idea of how to work as a team player and will throw anyone under the bus. Just ask Emanalo, Valdano and Granosvskaya
Mourinho's resume speaks for itself. Even at united, he has been more successful than his two predecessors.

The likes of Emanalo, Valdano and Granovskaia are those that try to manage transfers without regards to the wishes of the manager. The manager turnover at chelsea is evidence of this and Valdano has not found another gig since he left madrid.

Mourinho, like any other manager, want his input and demands respected, and not having some DOF backseat managing the squad.

There is a good balance between club and manager that a good DOF would maintain
 
Guy won't play those players he wanted and he himself bought, what makes you think he would do it now when he's more bitter than ever? What makes you think it would just be like with Schweini?

Also Emanalo and Granovskaya did that to him in Chelsea and he had a fallout with them.
Chelsea backroom often ignored the input of the manager which is why they have such a high turnover of managers, while Schweini was past it even at Bayern.

Mourinho is obsessed with wining and if he is given a quality player that would help him win, then he would definitely play him.

His problem is when he feels his demands are being ignored and then goes into 'petulant child' mode
 
It’s best for all parties if we part ways now I think. It’s a shame really, he’s a top coach and it could’ve worked here. The hideous side of the media and the fans have not helped, no has many of his decisions. I hope he doesn’t go back to Madrid because I have a feeling he’d sort them out.

For a season or two, then they'd have no doubt have issues with him again, to be fair it's not like he didn't do the same for us, seemed to buy well, and got us into the CL by winning a trophy, I was chuffed with that, and there is little doubt he will leave the squad stronger than he found it, even if he doesn't know what to do with it anymore.

To me he just hasn't got the right personality to stick around a the same club too long, and sure as hell one like ours that is miles away from winning the title won't interest him one bit, even if he is mainly to blame for that.

Madrid can have him, and then in a couple of years we can the cracks will no doubt surface again.
 
Mourinho's relationship with Marco Branca at Inter is an example of how a good relationship with a DOF would work.

Branca worked to get Mourinho the players he needed and when he couldnt get specific targets (like Deco and Carvalho) he got suitable alternatives (like Lucio and Sneijder). They both agreed on the Ibra v Eto deal as well.

Quote from Branca:
"I saw Jose almost every day as I followed training. We talked often. Between us there was a great harmony and synergy. My relationship with Jose has always been excellent, direct and respectful of our respective roles. I have never found resistance on his part. I have always acted in the knowledge to bring him what he needed, even when I changed six of the starting XI in the year of the treble."

The problem is that a lot of DOF tend to play 'football manager' with the squad while ignoring the wishes of the actual manager.
 
Had a few days away from United and it's actually hit him how shit we are. Didnt even realise we're tenth. Honestly, what the feck are we playing at? It beggars belief he hasn't been sacked already. We're supposedly the biggest club in the world.

And don't use the lack of coaching replacements as justification to leave him in charge. He's like a virus - the longer he stays, the more damage he does. I'd rather have a caretaker manager that would attempt to play actual attacking football over the guy whose been serving constant shite for the last 2 and a half years.
 
It’s best for all parties if we part ways now I think. It’s a shame really, he’s a top coach and it could’ve worked here. The hideous side of the media and the fans have not helped, no has many of his decisions. I hope he doesn’t go back to Madrid because I have a feeling he’d sort them out.
I see this quite often. The fans?! Don't be ridiculous.

As a match goer who's wanted José out for the longest time, he's had nothing but respect from us even though he's dragged our club through the mud. If anything, it's Ed who most of the fans have been horrible to.

Blaming us fans annoys me to no end because, quite frankly, it's so stupid.
 
I see this quite often. The fans?! Don't be ridiculous.

As a match goer who's wanted José out for the longest time, he's had nothing but respect from us even though he's dragged our club through the mud. If anything, it's Ed who most of the fans have been horrible to.

Blaming us fans annoys me to no end because, quite frankly, it's so stupid.
It's pretty condescending for you to think the only fans that matter, stupid even.
 
It's pretty condescending for you to think the only fans that matter, stupid even.
Did you mean to say that I think only match going fans matter? If not, I have no idea what you're getting at, sorry.

If you did, I don't. All fans matter. However, us whining on the internet has no bearing on his job, imo. On the flip side, the support he's received from the fans that go to games week in week out despite poor performance after poor performance and dishing out dirt in public would've helped if anything.
 
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