Only a heavy defeat (e.g. 1:4) could seriously endanger his position. A narrow loss or draw won't change much (as strange as this is). 4 pts from Everton and Bournemouth will buy him another month or even more.
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Only a heavy defeat (e.g. 1:4) could seriously endanger his position. A narrow loss or draw won't change much (as strange as this is). 4 pts from Everton and Bournemouth will buy him another month or even more.
You know it's bad when allegri a so called defensive manager and his juventus team come to our own ground and play like Barcelona 2011 team. Italian teams are not known for the dominance of the ball but rather the tactical astuteness and organization.
If that's a defensive manager what is Jose then?
What a weird thing to be annoyed aboutThe GD was + 2 though. So, the start now is even worse than then.
If we beat Everton by 5 goals, we'll equal the points and GD under Moyes after 10 games.
People are so scared to be proven wrong that they refuse to see what's right in front of them.
Nice cherrypicking there. We were 5th in the table during the time you mentioned, not languishing at 10th. Also in that random season you picked just to prove your point, we were still in the league cup. So your comparison to prove that we have been in this situation before, still fails.
The difference between then and now is, the league was much less competitive than now. We have atleast 5 teams playing better than us, 3 of whom we are yet to face.
Just spoke to a guy I work with who was at the Juventus game. He said sections of the crowd were leaving after only 70 mins! I’ve never heard of this at a CL group stage game with everything to play for and only 1-0 down. It’s only a matter of time now for Mourinho. He’s going to need a miracle to turn this round.
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He’s a Liverpool fan so transparent, bigger picture ffs
how mods haven’t banned him yet is beyond me for the undercover machinations.Trying to start off their own KRAP campaign by downplaying our mood and current situation.
I’m sure some of our fans did the same to them during the Roy’s era as well.
Mourinho is setting the team up to fail, to hit the Glazers in the pocket (wants to be sacked by mid November).
Phase 1:
Get dumped out the champions league and no champion's league next season, the revenue loss in the region of 80 to 100 mill, if Man Utd were to reach the last 8.
Phase 2:
With so many players out of contract next year, De Gea, Martial yet to sign new contracts, Man Ud will have to spend big next summer or resign all existing players, who should of been moved on.
Phase 3:
Pick up his severence pay in the region of 20 mill, with Woodward, going for Pochettino or Zidane, another massive outlay for the club, good luck dealing with Daniel Levy.
Phase 1:
Get dumped out the champions league and no champion's league next season, the revenue loss in the region of 80 to 100 mill, if Man Utd were to reach the last 8.
Phase 2:
With so many players out of contract next year, De Gea, Martial yet to sign new contracts, Man Ud will have to spend big next summer or resign all existing players, who should of been moved on.
Phase 3:
Pick up his severence pay in the region of 20 mill, with Woodward, going for Pochettino or Zidane, another massive outlay for the club, good luck dealing with Daniel Levy.
Many missed to realise our manager’s bad attitude towards the club and the players. He can be arrogant for his past records, but in fact he’s not bringing united forward during his 3 year management, and his mounings definitely make the club a laughing stock.
It is no longer worth discussing which player we should buy or sell. I’m sure even messi n Ronaldo would have played awfully under his reign. This man is now playing “low-middle table” tactics, utilising in a big club. Whoever he bought in won’t make our club topping the table.
This man is done.
It is no longer worth discussing which player we should buy or sell. I’m sure even messi n Ronaldo would have played awfully under his reign. This man is now playing “low-middle table” tactics, utilising in a big club. Whoever he bought in won’t make our club topping the table.
This man is done.
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Why don’t we remove him from his role as manager and just pay him his wages until he decides to feck off to another job. This is what Chelsea are doing with Conte. Jose will not be happy and will be looking for a club. May go to RM if he’s available. Even if he waits until summer it would be less in wages vs payout.
That's what does my head in about this place, it's amazingly immature how many adults refuse to admit defeat or that they're in the wrong. If they can't admit it on an internet forum, I dread to think what they're like in reality.
Paul Ince
“We’re three seasons into Mourinho’s reign now. There are no more excuses,”
“He’s spent a lot of money, if I was managing a team and they’d given me three years, and it was clear we weren’t up to standard, I’d expect to lose my job.
“It looks to me like Jose Mourinho is stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. Realistically, he wants to play defensively and nick a one nil win, but he knows that the fans and players at United won’t accept that. And they’re right not to.
“They’re not even showing signs of improvement. In fact, they’re going backwards. He bought Fred who can’t get a game, and the same goes for Alexis Sanchez. He’s disappeared! His career has gone backwards.
“Mourinho is too focused on what the opposition are doing. Focus on your own team, instead. Your players look completely scared, they have no confidence at all.
“The sad fact is United have no presence any more. Liverpool do, Man City clearly do, even Chelsea in such a short time are showing what they’re made of. Why after three years are Manchester United still trying to find a winning formula under Mourinho?”
“We’re three seasons into Mourinho’s reign now. There are no more excuses,”
“He’s spent a lot of money, if I was managing a team and they’d given me three years, and it was clear we weren’t up to standard, I’d expect to lose my job.
“It looks to me like Jose Mourinho is stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. Realistically, he wants to play defensively and nick a one nil win, but he knows that the fans and players at United won’t accept that. And they’re right not to.
“They’re not even showing signs of improvement. In fact, they’re going backwards. He bought Fred who can’t get a game, and the same goes for Alexis Sanchez. He’s disappeared! His career has gone backwards.
“Mourinho is too focused on what the opposition are doing. Focus on your own team, instead. Your players look completely scared, they have no confidence at all.
“The sad fact is United have no presence any more. Liverpool do, Man City clearly do, even Chelsea in such a short time are showing what they’re made of. Why after three years are Manchester United still trying to find a winning formula under Mourinho?”
Those who voted not yet. What are you basing your opinion on? he never turned around a crisis. I can understand those who voted no cause they have blind faith in him, but not those with not yet vote.
Bit embarrassing when Paul bloody Ince is talking complete sense.
Love you Trappy and Incey but you’re bang out of order on this one.
Im not saying Ed is totally blameless but from what I gather, he is mostly responsible for the business side of things, which, by all accounts, is better than ever.
What happens on the pitch is mostly down to Mourinhio (I've never once heard Ed claim to be a master tactician).
This deflection of the clubs issues away from Jose and onto the board is ridiculous to be honest.
He's had 2.5 years and £400 million to spend (which doesn't even include Sanchez or Zlatan) .
Yeah, fair enough, we could probably do with a world class CB but that has also deflected attention away from the main issue, our attacking play.
Im not sure what's worse, the fact that Mourinhio has had the audacity to try and hold everyone else responsible for issues he has created or the fact that alot of our fans have fallen for his b*llshit.
It's a pure obsession over Jose & their previous expectations of him coming in to win a title or two.
Same thing happened with LVG supporters who were sidelined by the majority to see him wanting to continue what he was building with a younger team.
This support to Jose is less about the football that is currently being players & more about what they want to see in the future - caring less about the type of football & players but more in line with success. They still believe in it.
Ssshhhh Incey... Don't talk too much sense, Ex players can't recommend sacking the manager. You might get away with it though. You played for Liverpool.
To the people who defend him saying that he's a proven winner...
So is Sir Bobby Charlton. Should we give him on a jersey and make him play?
So is Sir Bobby Charlton. Should we give him on a jersey and make him play?
The idea you need a world class CB to play decent football is one of the worst things I ever heard. How are Chelsea and Arsenal playing much cohesive football in less than 6 months with new managers and without spending a lot of money either? They don't have world class defenders.
We also scored signficiantly less goals than all the other top teams in the last two years but only one team spent more money than us which is Man City.
This part is nail on the head. Not fit for our club's ethos and again he's been like that forever. That's why i feel the questions should be directed at the board and not at Jose.
We have problems in every department, from CEO, manager, central defence, fullbacks, central midfield, wingers, worldies like pogba,sanchez not performing, lukaku ,average bench. All departments except GK, thanks to a fax machine.
Yep, its what the club asked for, though according to the script he should have won the league by now. LVG said the exact same thing in one of his pressers about his style of play, he said the club should have knew who they were getting
It feels like a nightmare that never ends. Please sack him Ed, grow a pair.
Against a fecking Newcatle who have collected 2 points all season, sit 20th in the table, a win after a fantastic come back from a two goal deficit, with injury time winner and all that at OT.
It is easier to play well when you don't have to win a la Liverpool and spurs
Moyes - qf in CL, 7th in PL, R3 in FA, semi in LC
LVG1 - no CL, 4th in PL, R6 in FA, R2 in LC
LVG2 - 3rd group in CL + R16 in EL, 5th PL, won FA, R4 in LC
Mou1 - won EL = quality for CL, 6th in PL, qf in FA, won LC
Mou2 - R16 in CL, 2nd in PL, Final in FA, R5 in LC
The team was moving in the right direction and quality additions were needed ( like Pogba and to an extent Lukaku were added in prior seasons), instead you got Fred and dalot. No CB like requested and no quality additions, but then blame the manager for team regressing.
The poor transfer basically compromised the season but Mourinho is at fault for making it worse just to make his point.
This fault primarily lies with whoever is responsible for the poor transfers. You either have lots of cash, good network/negotiations or great scouting, to add needed quality.
Best solution is for everyone top to bottom to get on same page and strike balance between cash, squad needs and expected results. Maybe DOF can help with that.
We definitely need to stop buying aged players like Sanchez and Matic (unless coming for cheap), as they don't last long enough to be meaningful investments at this point. Doubt either will offer much next season
Moyes - qf in CL, 7th in PL, R3 in FA, semi in LC
LVG1 - no CL, 4th in PL, R6 in FA, R2 in LC
LVG2 - 3rd group in CL + R16 in EL, 5th PL, won FA, R4 in LC
Mou1 - won EL = quality for CL, 6th in PL, qf in FA, won LC
Mou2 - R16 in CL, 2nd in PL, Final in FA, R5 in LC
The team was moving in the right direction and quality additions were needed ( like Pogba and to an extent Lukaku were added in prior seasons), instead you got Fred and dalot. No CB like requested and no quality additions, but then blame the manager for team regressing.
The poor transfer basically compromised the season but Mourinho is at fault for making it worse just to make his point.
This fault primarily lies with whoever is responsible for the poor transfers. You either have lots of cash, good network/negotiations or great scouting, to add needed quality.
Best solution is for everyone top to bottom to get on same page and strike balance between cash, squad needs and expected results. Maybe DOF can help with that.
We definitely need to stop buying aged players like Sanchez and Matic (unless coming for cheap), as they don't last long enough to be meaningful investments at this point. Doubt either will offer much next season
It's bad, but it wouldn't be as bad if I actually thought he wanted to stay anymore himself, almost reckon the players pulled a fast one on him against Newcastle in the second half..
I'm on the camp with this Madrid rumors. It's going to happen imo.
All we need know is for him to flirt with Madrid in every press conference he has and it’s ceiled. What a lucky basta*d. Sorry I’m advanced Isco
All the players had to do was keep their tools on the ground. I've never seen a team do that before in my life. Change their minds mid game. That wasn't just players playing poorly. That was a team which had made a decision. How can they be that undecided it's baffling. I don't believe Mou could have done anything to change their minds at that point. I don't think the first half performance was on the manager and likewise the turnaround. We have a muddled bunch of players.
I know, we're on the same page here, I totally agree with you, I was just trying to show some sort of balance (because if you don't you get accused of having an agenda or manhunting).
To be honest, even this centre back b*llocks he keeps banging on about winds me up.
If Smalling and Jones aren't good enough then why has he kept them? And then the other two, are his signings anyway, it's an absolute joke.
Plus, as I already said, it has totally deflected attention away from the main problem under Mourinhio, his lack of any kind of attacking plan apart from long balls up to Felliani and Lukaku, as I said, it's an absolute joke.
I honestly can't see how anyone can defend him anymore, he has to go, end of.
You do realize he wanted Alderweireld (29), Willian (30), and Perisic (29), right?
He would only have moved them on after he got in replacements surely? Imagine selling them at the start of the window.....laughable move with hindsight that would have been.
Before Mou came in we were an awful selling club.....we got little back for anyone we seemed to move on in fairness.
I have never said Mou should get the specific players he requests for cos i find his judgement dubious in this regard ( e.g. he bought quaresma - wtf).
Mou does know what his team needs. If he wants a CB and think Alderweireld is it, you can instead get him varane if it's a better deal ( though I think Alderweild is fine cos we need a defensive leader which is rare at a young age). Instead of Sanchez, get Dybala or instead of Matic get dier. Even if younger player cost more, u tend to benefit from longer service.
Also, I have no problem selling certain players if funds are needed to improve squad e.g. Liverpool sale of coutinho. We obviously don't have unlimited cash like the oil clubs, so we have to compensate elsewhere.
Overall our transfer activities have been poor imo and find neither Mou nor Woodward significantly capable in this regard
I 100% agree with the bolded and it needs to be told to those who complain about United's spending. United are not City or PSG. While certainly the richest of the rest, United operate under budgets like most and especially large companies. Some posters (like CA1) honestly believe the club have unlimited funds to buy anyone without selling anyone, but insist they don't want a money bags owner. United has by far made the least amount of money from player sales out of the top 6 (and even clubs like Juve sell a lot more) yet people expect the owners/board/Woodward to sanction the spending of £300m more to a manager who was already given ~£400m. I don't understand the logic.
Sidenote: Real Madrid will probably demand for Varane 4x what Spurs want for Alderweild, Juve will probably demand 4x what Chelsea want for Willian, and Spurs will probably demand 3-4x what United bought Matic for. If we're honest, none of these clubs are going to see United any of those players, and even if they did, I don't think United can afford more that 1 of those players a calendar year unless other players are sold.
Agreed. Woodward should be held accountable for hiring 3 wrong managers in a row but it doesn't diminish the blame that goes to Mourinho irrespective of Woodward's failings.
Even the fax machine is problematic.
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