The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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red woppit said:
So he should have retreated like Smalling and Young, then the Newcastle player would have a free run at United's box. Baillie made the decision not to retreat to his own box, and had stopped, to face the attacking player, at no time was Baillie marking Kenedy, Young was with him all the way, and should have held him up, stopping him from getting the ball onto his left foot, Smalling was marking the other attacker, Baillie was the free man.
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He did nothing though mate.He let ball and man just pass through him.
 
Does nobody else think this whole obsession with not getting a centre back is distracting us from the real problem under Mourinhio? Our attacking play.

At the end of last season, was the main problem not scoring goals? (summed up by yet another dire attacking display in the FA Cup final), yet Jose has spent all summer chasing a centre back and then moaning that he didn't get one (thus pretty much destroying the confidence of our current centre backs)

As I said, the main problem for me under Mourinhio (as I knew it would be), is the lack of any attacking plan apart from long balls up to the lone frontman, that's it, if that doesn't work then he brings Felliani on and does it even more, its actually embarrassing.

Plus, if, as he is suggesting, our centre backs are so bad then why continue to play defensively?
Is it not common sense to play to your strengths?
If our defence is so bad then play more attacking football and try to out score the opponent (which is what we all want anyway) .
 
If we will have a DoF in place by the summer then it would make sense to keep Jose. Otherwise, assuming Ed's ideal replacement is available, we should move now and give the new manager this season to make decisions on the squad and start implementing his tactics.
 
Kerry Donaghy said:
Does nobody else think this whole obsession with not getting a centre back is distracting us from the real problem under Mourinhio? Our attacking play.

At the end of last season, was the main problem not scoring goals? (summed up by yet another dire attacking display in the FA Cup final), yet Jose has spent all summer chasing a centre back and then moaning that he didn't get one (thus pretty much destroying the confidence of our current centre backs)

As I said, the main problem for me under Mourinhio (as I knew it would be), is the lack of any attacking plan apart from long balls up to the lone frontman, that's it, if that doesn't work then he brings Felliani on and does it even more, its actually embarrassing.

Plus, if, as he is suggesting, our centre backs are so bad then why continue to play defensively?
Is it not common sense to play to your strengths?
If our defence is so bad then play more attacking football and try to out score the opponent (which is what we all want anyway) .
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Even if he got his CB he would have found some other reason to be pissed off to start the season.
 

We won't agree, but after Baillie went off, Newcastle could (and should) have scored another two (two free headers), and had a penalty. Whatever system we are playing allows other teams to create chances against us, and we are too slow in our build up to create havoc in the opponents half.
 
JK-27 said:
Against Liverpool Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/manches...was-an-old-school-mourinho-masterclass-167233
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-liverpool-premier-league-live-score-updates/

Against Chelsea Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-explains-tactical-masterclass-to-beat-chelsea

Against Spurs Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ham-mauricio-pochettino-tactical-masterclass/

Against City Jose was praised for his half time team talk and tactical masterclass:

https://www.football-fan.tv/united-...ass-manchester-city-manchester-united-debrief

And these aren't any games, these are games against the top 5 teams. You're Jose out, that's fine, but don't lie about the reasons why.
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Posting scattered praise for good tactics in certain matches doesn't necessarily mean United were 2nd because of his tactics.
 
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Since it looks like he's not being sacked I'm looking forward to finding out who's going to play as auxiliary right defensive midfielder v Chelsea (i.e. Stop Hazard role)
 
Calling it now, if he's not sacked within the next couple months, it will be Pochettino/Tuchel and Paul Mitchell Technical Director in the summer.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Even if he got his CB he would have found some other reason to be pissed off to start the season.
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"How do you expect attacking play from the side when the club didn't let Jose sign a RW?".

That is the most crucial position in final third, just like a good CB is to start an attack.
 
L1nk said:
Calling it now, if he's not sacked within the next couple months, it will be Pochettino/Tuchel and Paul Mitchell Technical Director in the summer.
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I wouldn't expect either of them to manage us (Pochettino has a new(ish) contract and seems to be waiting for Madrid, while Tuchel is only a few months in to his PSG stint). Mitchell, maybe.
 
I really struggle to understand how many of our supporters decry us finishing 2nd last season - with a decent points total and defensive record. Yes we were miles behind City but so were the rest.

The problems this season stem from Jose trying to change or adapt the style of football due to the massive criticism last season.

He now doesn't know the best formation as in reality the squad is far from good enough to play open expansive football.

He really has 2 options assuming he stays:
1. Revert to type
2. Revert to a more attacking style

He knows that there are major risks associated with either and he is highly risk averse.

Clearly we would much prefer option 2 but essential to that is a solid defence.
If only he could achieve a reliable central pairing and DM, with Shaw and Dalot replacing Young and Valencia there is no reason why we should not be able to at least get a top 4 finish.
 
Buster15 said:
I really struggle to understand how many of our supporters decry us finishing 2nd last season - with a decent points total and defensive record. Yes we were miles behind City but so were the rest.

The problems this season stem from Jose trying to change or adapt the style of football due to the massive criticism last season.

He now doesn't know the best formation as in reality the squad is far from good enough to play open expansive football.

He really has 2 options assuming he stays:
1. Revert to type
2. Revert to a more attacking style

He knows that there are major risks associated with either and he is highly risk averse.

Clearly we would much prefer option 2 but essential to that is a solid defence.
If only he could achieve a reliable central pairing and DM, with Shaw and Dalot replacing Young and Valencia there is no reason why we should not be able to at least get a top 4 finish.
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He hasn't tried to adjust the style though, we aren't trying to play more attacking..
Conceded 3 at West Ham despite parking the bus early on with a back five and 2 dms.
Conceded 2 within 10mins against Newcastle and could of conceded multiple more.. despite playing with 2 dms..

In his first season, this side were not putting chances away but were consistently creating dozens of chances. Infact Utd were right at the top in regards to chances created.
Last season Utd was right near the bottom, I highly doubt it's been much better this season

It's simple, it's third season meltdown. This happened at Chelsea only a few seasons ago with a better team and winning the league the previous season oh and the following season under a different manager.

Mourinho is a toxic manager/ It is virtually impossible for him to go multiple seasons without causing more drama than the rest of the league combined.

I could understand this argument if the team were constantly getting caught on the counter with Degea deciding to go up for Corners or something but it's actually the opposite the team are too defensive.
So much backflipping to find excuses for Mourinho.
 
Stactix said:
Conceded 3 at West Ham despite parking the bus early on with a back five and 2 dms.
Conceded 2 within 10mins against Newcastle and could of conceded multiple more.. despite playing with 2 dms..
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Doesn't that emphasize his point that our defense (back 4 plus DMs) are not good enough to play defensive football, leave alone playing expansive?
 
Stactix said:
He hasn't tried to adjust the style though, we aren't trying to play more attacking..
Conceded 3 at West Ham despite parking the bus early on with a back five and 2 dms.
Conceded 2 within 10mins against Newcastle and could of conceded multiple more.. despite playing with 2 dms..

In his first season, this side were not putting chances away but were consistently creating dozens of chances. Infact Utd were right at the top in regards to chances created.
Last season Utd was right near the bottom, I highly doubt it's been much better this season

It's simple, it's third season meltdown. This happened at Chelsea only a few seasons ago with a better team and winning the league the previous season oh and the following season under a different manager.

Mourinho is a toxic manager/ It is virtually impossible for him to go multiple seasons without causing more drama than the rest of the league combined.
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You forget to mention the game against Spurs when it was clear that United were trying to play a more offensive style. How did that end up???
 
AlexUTD said:
Add Jardim to that list please:

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People on here and in OT would undoubtedly welcome 4-4-2 and adventurous attacking play. Not sure I can see the board moving for a guy currently hovering in the relegation zone in France though, no matter what the extenuating circumstances.
 
Buster15 said:
You forget to mention the game against Spurs when it was clear that United were trying to play a more offensive style. How did that end up???
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Was that anymore offensive than a dozen other fixtures? Does Arsenal have a better defence than Utd? 5-1 vs Fulham?
Holding and Mustafi? Seriously?
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Doesn't that emphasize his point that our defense (back 4 plus DMs) are not good enough to play defensive football, leave alone playing expansive?
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28, 29, 35, 37, 43

After 8 games, 14 goals conceded.
This defence needs upgrading but it is certainly not as bad as made out.

Chelsea after 7 games in that incredible season where Jose Mourinho was sacked for reaching 16th.
11 goals scored, 14 conceded.
 
Stactix said:
28, 29, 35, 37, 43

After 8 games, 14 goals conceded.
This defence needs upgrading but it is certainly not as bad as made out.

Chelsea after 7 games in that incredible season where Jose Mourinho was sacked for reaching 16th.
11 goals scored, 14 conceded.
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Without De Gea in the goal pretty sure these numbers would have been worse.
 
Infra-red said:
People on here and in OT would undoubtedly welcome 4-4-2 and adventurous attacking play. Not sure I can see the board moving for a guy currently hovering in the relegation zone in France though, no matter what the extenuating circumstances.
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The board do not see the full picture sadly. The board should ask themselves "What kind of playstyle do we want at this club?" ANd if that style is attacking they should look at that type of manager instead of the biggest name available.

Jardim is a manager at a selling club sadly if not it would be exciting to see where Monaco would be now if they did not sell and reinforced their squad.
 
el3mel said:
Without De Gea in the goal pretty sure these numbers would have been worse.
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Most likely, although still not 14 goals in 8 games.
This season has been a Mourinho meltdown, sure the players take part of the blame. Just fed up of people making it out like if we had better players things would be different this season.
The same thing happened at Chelsea, they won the league the previous and following season.
It's pretty darn obvious.
 
Stactix said:
Most likely, although still not 14 goals in 8 games.
This season has been a Mourinho meltdown, sure the players take part of the blame. Just fed up of people making it out like if we had better players things would be different this season.
The same thing happened at Chelsea, they won the league the previous and following season.
It's pretty darn obvious.
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I am a bit confused as to what you are saying.
Jose is playing defensive football and yet we conceded 14 goals in 8 games. So if Jose had us playing attacking football, we wouldn't have conceded so much?
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Even if he got his CB he would have found some other reason to be pissed off to start the season.
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In his defence, it must be such a burden managing Man Utd and on top of that, having to tour around sh*t holes like California all summer.

Id much rather be busting my balls for 50 hours a week on minimum wage, poor guy.
 
It is one of two options
Even Jose is a bad manager at the moment because he could not use the team to its full ability specially with the stars he bought.
Or
he failed in choosing his players after spending a fortune and wasted the clubs money.

no third option
 
Stactix said:
Most likely, although still not 14 goals in 8 games.
This season has been a Mourinho meltdown, sure the players take part of the blame. Just fed up of people making it out like if we had better players things would be different this season.
The same thing happened at Chelsea, they won the league the previous and following season.
It's pretty darn obvious.
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For our defensive issues case, no it's not. Our defense has been crap even before Fergie retired. I think the issue started from his last 2 seasons, and since than and till now probably only Mourinho first season you can say the defense has been solid, otherwise it was always De Gea saving our arses. There's a reason why he won 4 of last 5 POTY awards. In LVG both seasons it was still as disastrous as it's now.
 
Giggsyking said:
It is one of two options
Even Jose is a bad manager at the moment because he could not use the team to its full ability specially with the stars he bought.
Or
he failed in choosing his players after spending a fortune and wasted the clubs money.

no third option
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Precisely, and on top of that, any players that are still at the club that he didn't sign are still here because he obviously thought they were good enough.
If not, then get rid, as he did with the likes of Depay, Blind, Schneirdelen, Schweinsteiger and Mkthytrian.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
I am a bit confused as to what you are saying.
Jose is playing defensive football and yet we conceded 14 goals in 8 games. So if Jose had us playing attacking football, we wouldn't have conceded so much?
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No, it's third season meltdown. Wouldn't matter if we had Godin and Bonucci in that backline.
 
el3mel said:
For our defensive issues case, no it's not. Our defense has been crap even before Fergie retired. I think the issue started from his last 2 seasons, and since than and till now probably only Mourinho first season you can say the defense has been solid, otherwise it was always De Gea saving our arses. There's a reason why he won 4 of last 5 POTY awards. In LVG both seasons it was still as disastrous as it's now.
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I don't think our defence is great but it's certainly not Sunderland relegation levels of shite,
Matic was incredible in Mourinhos title winning season, then he was royal shite in his meltdown.
Under Mourinho at Utd, he's been mostly very good. Not great second half of last season but complete and utter liability this season.

I just think there are too many concidences between this season and Mourinhos last at Chelsea.
 
Stactix said:
I don't think our defence is great but it's Sunderland relegation levels of shite,
Matic was incredible in Mourinhos title winning season, then he was royal shite in his meltdown.
Under Mourinho at Utd, he's been mostly very good. Not great second half of last season but complete and utter liability this season.

I just think there are too many concidences between this season and Mourinhos last at Chelsea.
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Again your point is fine for other positions regarding the meltdown but for the defense it's the case of De Gea not pulling his usual saves so far this season.

If you have time for a 16 minutes video, watch this and concentrate on the defense. That's from LVG last season. See how the defense was exposed very easily, that's why number of goals conceded don't describe the whole story :

 
el3mel said:
Again your point is fine for other positions regarding the meltdown but for the defense it's the case of De Gea not pulling his usual saves so far this season.

If you have time for a 16 minutes video, watch this and concentrate on the defense. That's from LVG last season. See how the defense was exposed very easily, that's why number of goals conceded don't describe the whole story :

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It was never this bad, Joint 4th most goals conceded so far but it's just because our defence is shite? Not at all because of Mourinho and third year curse?



Sorry, I don't think our defence is lightyears behind Rob holding and fecking Mustafi or Tomkins and Sakho..
 
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