The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Giggsyking]

Playing devils advocate what if Lindelof was 3rd of 4th choice on a list of CB's Jose gave to the board?
He'll also no doubt look at the situation at City and see Pep buy the likes of Bravo and bin them after a season after seeing they're not good enough.

Lindelof and Bailly may be Jose's signings but they're not good enough (apparently) so while yes them being bad buys are on him are we to condemn him twice not only for making bad signings but then for the bad results when he's forced to play them?

So every manager in the world has the luxury of Pep?
Please be realistic and live in the real world, he turned our best line when he took charge into shit after adding two players he said himself he watched them for a long time. This is on him, not on anyone else, and I think the board was too generous to give him a shot after the crappy season we are having. It's not like we have an open bank and van change complete lines every transfer window.

 

[Darkhorsez]

When it comes to the argument on transfers, I imagine he looks across to road at Pep and see's a manager who also made errors but has been fully backed to rectify these errors, especially when it comes to the back line. Pep has bought in Bravo, Ederson, Stones, Laporte, Mendy, Walker & Danilo all for an approximate 285 million quid. That has not only drastically improved their defense but also freed up their play when it comes to the other end of the pitch - remember they finished 4th in his first season and were a long way back from Leicester that year. Pep identified the gaps that needed plugging and got his players in without anyone questioning whether they were the right player or of a high enough quality.

We can argue all day about Bailly and Lindelof, and yes they were identified by Jose, but let's face it, neither of them has or even looks like the real deal just yet. They may come good for Jose or maybe the next manager, but are we not at risk of filling the squad with filler? Would United as a club not be better off to accept some players don't work out, replace them and keep moving forward? Are we not stagnating by hanging on to players which the manager doesn't particularly want and having a suit upstairs decide who is a better player than the ones we have? What happens if we replace Jose and the next manager thinks they all need replacing, and what if one of the players they want is someone Jose asked for - would they still only be as good as our 5th choice, or would the board back the manager?

Agree with this. Also, to a lesser extent, when you keep players that you don’t fancy for any reason, whether right or wrong, that is undermining the managers. As Rio said recently, you either support your manager or not but you need to trust his decisions if you support him.

 

[Giggsyking]

Agree with this. Also, to a lesser extent, when you keep players that you don’t fancy for any reason, whether right or wrong, that is undermining the managers. As Rio said recently, you either support your manager or not but you need to trust his decisions if you support him.

He bought world class players and managed successfully to turn them into shit. Yes there must be division about him in the board about his decisions, and I guess he does not have the full support of the club, he might have Ed behind him now, but Ed is not Manchester united.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

Looking back, how many of Mourinho's signings are playing at or above the level you might expect ? How many players that were already here has he helped to improve or develop ?
How many of his signings are looking like expensive boondoggles or worse ?

 

[cheeky_backheel]

So every manager in the world has the luxury of Pep?
Please be realistic and live in the real world, he turned our best line when he took charge into shit after adding two players he said himself he watched them for a long time. This is on him, not on anyone else, and I think the board was too generous to give him a shot after the crappy season we are having. It's not like we have an open bank and van change complete lines every transfer window.

That is simply not true.

In the past two seasons under Mourinho, we have conceded less than 30 goals each. The last time we conceded less than 30 goals in the league, prior to Mounrinho taking over, was 2009/10 season. In his first season, Bailey was in our best defensive pairing along with Rojo and many here saw him as one for the future.

To me the problem with the defence, is simply a lack of a quality experience defensive leader, that can organize and talk to the other defenders. Smalling tries to do this but is not good enough, Bailly is more of the physical/Atheltic CB type, while Lindelof is too young and inexperienced. An example of this is how much Lovren seems to have improved from playing along side Van Djik.

Given time, I expect Dalot to come good on the right and have hopes for Shaw on the left, but we probably need to add another full back soon to replace Young and/or valencia

 

[Cloud7]

I admire those of you with the strength to go on, both on the pro and anti-Mourinho sides of this debate. Takes some mental fortitude to keep battling this debate out everyday.

 

[Mainoldo]

Looking back, how many of Mourinho's signings are playing at or above the level you might expect ? How many players that were already here has he helped to improve or develop ?
How many of his signings are looking like expensive boondoggles or worse ?

Fellaini looks like John Terry with regards to effort.

 

[midnightmare]

Playing devils advocate what if Lindelof was 3rd of 4th choice on a list of CB's Jose gave to the board?
He'll also no doubt look at the situation at City and see Pep buy the likes of Bravo and bin them after a season after seeing they're not good enough.

Lindelof and Bailly may be Jose's signings but they're not good enough (apparently) so while yes them being bad buys are on him are we to condemn him twice not only for making bad signings but then for the bad results when he's forced to play them?

Both were signed early in the window for fairly large sums. Lindelof was rumoured in winter and signed in summer. Fair assumption is he was high up on the list.

Bigger questions:
1. Who has Jose improved among those he signed or inherited? What’s that? Oh and arguably, Bailly has regressed. He was feted as perhaps Jose’s best acquisition in the first summer!
2. Pep replaced Bravo - but that was a free I think. Also, he showed improvements all over the rest of the pitch! Justified his demands
3. Both Pep and Klopp have replaced one each of their own signings. Mou seems to want to replace a bunch. Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Mkhi (now maybe even Alexis?).

 

[charlenefan]

Yes? He bought them, every consequence regarding this is on him. If they would be brilliant, he would also be quick to take all the praise for buying world-class CBs. If they don´t work like they should, it´s up to him to make them perform, otherwise he does his job wrong. (I don´t even want it to be like at City, where a failed transfer just get´s rubbed out by buying another player)

Fair enough, I think it's a tad harsh to blame him for both signings bad players and then the results when he's forced to play them.

 

[Dec9003]

Both were signed early in the window for fairly large sums. Lindelof was rumoured in winter and signed in summer. Fair assumption is he was high up on the list.

Bigger questions:
1. Who has Jose improved among those he signed or inherited? What’s that? Oh and arguably, Bailly has regressed. He was feted as perhaps Jose’s best acquisition in the first summer!
2. Pep replaced Bravo - but that was a free I think. Also, he showed improvements all over the rest of the pitch! Justified his demands
3. Both Pep and Klopp have replaced one each of their own signings. Mou seems to want to replace a bunch. Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Mkhi (now maybe even Alexis?).

1. Jose has improved the squad as a whole since he arrived, hence the 2nd place finish, our highest post Fergie.
2.in peps first season he finished about 7 points higher than city's last season under Pellegrini, despite City's players half arsing it after they found out pep was coming.
He was at the time criticised heavily and pundits were purring At the prospect eating another 'fraud' manager alive. Especially after Leicester put about 4/5 goals past them.
3. Pep has replaced his keeper, bought Laporte for big money half way through last season and dropped stones for a long time. He also has bought Mahrez and appears to have fallen out with Sane and Mendy. He also gave up on Nolito quickly.
Klopp had brought in two centre backs before VVD, replaced his keeper etc.

 

[charlenefan]

So every manager in the world has the luxury of Pep?
Please be realistic and live in the real world, he turned our best line when he took charge into shit after adding two players he said himself he watched them for a long time. This is on him, not on anyone else, and I think the board was too generous to give him a shot after the crappy season we are having. It's not like we have an open bank and van change complete lines every transfer window.

I think when Pep and City are the team you have to finish above you either give the chasing pack leeway (which Jose most certainly did not get when we finished 2nd last season) or you all all play by the same rules.

 

[Kapardin]

1. Jose has improved the squad as a whole since he arrived, hence the 2nd place finish, our highest post Fergie.

Was more due to us being more clinical early on in the campaign and other teams preoccupied. Conte was about to overtake us with Chelsea when he suffered a meltdown. Liverpool had too thin a squad to cope with both league and CL, so Klopp pretty much threw away the league when he felt 4th was a cert. Plus Liverpool became a bit of a threat only when they signed Van Dijk in January. Arsenal were free-falling under Wenger.

So basically, we only outdid Tottenham on absolutely even terms. The 2nd place finish was not due to Jose's brilliant tactics or the players being much better than the rest, but it was a 2nd place finish ala Arsenal in the Leicester title winning season -- helped by circumstances.

This season, we are seeing Jose's true level -- far behind the Top 5. I won't say that's our players level though, as they are capable of better performances under a new manager.

 

[Dec9003]

Was more due to us being more clinical early on in the campaign and other teams preoccupied. Conte was about to overtake us with Chelsea when he suffered a meltdown. Liverpool had too thin a squad to cope with both league and CL, so Klopp pretty much threw away the league when he felt 4th was a cert. Plus Liverpool became a bit of a threat only when they signed Van Dijk in January. Arsenal were free-falling under Wenger.

So basically, we only outdid Tottenham on absolutely even terms. The 2nd place finish was not due to Jose's brilliant tactics or the players being much better than the rest, but it was a 2nd place finish ala Arsenal in the Leicester title winning season -- helped by circumstances.

This season, we are seeing Jose's true level -- far behind the Top 5. I won't say that's our players level though, as they are capable of better performances under a new manager.

So basically Jose deserves absolutely no credit for getting us into the top 2 and another cup final? I can't agree with that.
Klopp had VVD from January and one of the highest scoring players and front three on the planet last season and they still couldn't catch us, we also beat every top side in the league, it was a good campaign that unfortunately hasn't been built upon.

 

[charlenefan]

Was more due to us being more clinical early on in the campaign and other teams preoccupied. Conte was about to overtake us with Chelsea when he suffered a meltdown. Liverpool had too thin a squad to cope with both league and CL, so Klopp pretty much threw away the league when he felt 4th was a cert. Plus Liverpool became a bit of a threat only when they signed Van Dijk in January. Arsenal were free-falling under Wenger.

So basically, we only outdid Tottenham on absolutely even terms. The 2nd place finish was not due to Jose's brilliant tactics or the players being much better than the rest, but it was a 2nd place finish ala Arsenal in the Leicester title winning season -- helped by circumstances.

This season, we are seeing Jose's true level -- far behind the Top 5. I won't say that's our players level though, as they are capable of better performances under a new manager.

Fecking hell talk about an agenda. Yep it's all down to the other teams why we finished 2nd. You may be able to use that argument to explain why we finished above 1 team but when you do it for 4 you're talking utter bollocks

 

[JK-27]

Was more due to us being more clinical early on in the campaign and other teams preoccupied. Conte was about to overtake us with Chelsea when he suffered a meltdown. Liverpool had too thin a squad to cope with both league and CL, so Klopp pretty much threw away the league when he felt 4th was a cert. Plus Liverpool became a bit of a threat only when they signed Van Dijk in January. Arsenal were free-falling under Wenger.

So basically, we only outdid Tottenham on absolutely even terms. The 2nd place finish was not due to Jose's brilliant tactics or the players being much better than the rest, but it was a 2nd place finish ala Arsenal in the Leicester title winning season -- helped by circumstances.

This season, we are seeing Jose's true level -- far behind the Top 5. I won't say that's our players level though, as they are capable of better performances under a new manager.

Where is the evidence for this? We finished 2nd last season, so you're saying the players we have are capable of winning it? Considering we've not won it for 6 years?

What Utd players would be in a City starting 11?

Look at our squad, how many were in the last team to win the league? We don't have a squad with experienced Prem winners, a point Jose made with his 'heritage' speech.

Valencia is done, and we all know that, we've said for seasons our RB and LB positions needed sorting. Young is done. Jones is done. Bailly is done. Matic is done. McTominay is not a solution. Rojo is always injured. Pogba is inconsistent. Lingard is inconsistent. Rashford is inconsistent and has been for 2 seasons. Martial is inconsistent and has been for 2 season. Sanchez has not performed. Lukaku needs a rest.

If you think a new manager is going to change these issues I think you're wrong. We need better players, they've had their chances and not produced.

 

[Kapardin]

Fecking hell talk about an agenda. Yep it's all down to the other teams why we finished 2nd. You may be able to use that argument to explain why we finished above 1 team but when you do it for 4 you're talking utter bollocks

Hardly an agenda when I was Jose In until the start of the season. Nothing can deny the fact that Conte and Wenger were in no shape to compete.

So basically Jose deserves absolutely no credit for getting us into the top 2 and another cup final? I can't agree with that.
Klopp had VVD from January and one of the highest scoring players and front three on the planet last season and they still couldn't catch us, we also beat every top side in the league, it was a good campaign that unfortunately hasn't been built upon.

Yes, post January Liverpool gave us a good chase having lost ground in the first half of the season due to defensive gaffes. But when they went deep into the CL, they gave up on the league and made sure they finished 4th.

Where is the evidence for this? We finished 2nd last season, so you're saying the players we have are capable of winning it? Considering we've not won it for 6 years?

What Utd players would be in a City starting 11?

Look at our squad, how many were in the last team to win the league? We don't have a squad with experienced Prem winners, a point Jose made with his 'heritage' speech.

Valencia is done, and we all know that, we've said for seasons our RB and LB positions needed sorting. Young is done. Jones is done. Bailly is done. Matic is done. McTominay is not a solution. Rojo is always injured. Pogba is inconsistent. Lingard is inconsistent. Rashford is inconsistent and has been for 2 seasons. Martial is inconsistent and has been for 2 season. Sanchez has not performed. Lukaku needs a rest.

If you think a new manager is going to change these issues I think you're wrong. We need better players, they've had their chances and not produced.

We have a squad that can finish 3rd, equal to Chelsea. Though our squad quality is such that they can finish even 2nd under a better manager (say, like Sarri), our 2nd place finish last season under Jose was not due to brilliant tactics. His tactics have only undermined our players, whose individual quality and brilliance in patches often gave us the crucial wins needed to seal 2nd, while our competitors struggled for various reasons. The proof is that in the current season, the Top 5 who got their act together, are bunched up in the table while we are languishing some way below them.

 

[Mainoldo]

Where is the evidence for this? We finished 2nd last season, so you're saying the players we have are capable of winning it? Considering we've not won it for 6 years?

What Utd players would be in a City starting 11?

Look at our squad, how many were in the last team to win the league? We don't have a squad with experienced Prem winners, a point Jose made with his 'heritage' speech.

Valencia is done, and we all know that, we've said for seasons our RB and LB positions needed sorting. Young is done. Jones is done. Bailly is done. Matic is done. McTominay is not a solution. Rojo is always injured. Pogba is inconsistent. Lingard is inconsistent. Rashford is inconsistent and has been for 2 seasons. Martial is inconsistent and has been for 2 season. Sanchez has not performed. Lukaku needs a rest.

If you think a new manager is going to change these issues I think you're wrong. We need better players, they've had their chances and not produced.

De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Bailly, Pogba, Alexis, Martial, Mata. 8 players which is over half. I’m very sure you will argue but if Pep had his same players along with those I’ve just mentioned. Yesterday’s team except for Smalling on the simple fact he’s a shit passer would would have included those players. Pogba easily fits KDB’s role, Bailly with confidence is a better center back than Stones and Laporte. Martial and Alexis are just better footballers than Sterling fact. It would be hard given for anyone to prove to me Bernardo Silva has even been to Juan Mata’s Level.

So yes discuss.

 

[WensleyMU]

We have a squad that can finish 3rd, equal to Chelsea. Though our squad quality is such that they can finish even 2nd under a better manager (say, like Sarri), our 2nd place finish last season under Jose was not due to brilliant tactics. His tactics have only undermined our players, whose individual quality and brilliance in patches often gave us the crucial wins needed to seal 2nd, while our competitors struggled for various reasons. The proof is that in the current season, the Top 5 who got their act together, are bunched up in the table while we are languishing some way below them.

So our squad quality is top 3, and with an even better manager we could even finish as high as 2nd? Wowzers, imagine if that were to happen, I suspect most rational people would think that was quite good...

But wait, theres more. Our 2nd place finish last season (say whaaat!!!) was actually because everyone else was rubbish. Yet, even more shocking, our 2nd place finish was actually held back by our absolute failure of a manager whos terrible tactics were only saved from numerous examples of individual brilliance.

Well, I for one am... well, confused. What are you actually trying to say here? Because it looks like, well...

 

[Kapardin]

So our squad quality is top 3, and with an even better manager we could even finish as high as 2nd? Wowzers, imagine if that were to happen, I suspect most rational people would think that was quite good...

But wait, theres more. Our 2nd place finish last season (say whaaat!!!) was actually because everyone else was rubbish. Yet, even more shocking, our 2nd place finish was actually held back by our absolute failure of a manager whos terrible tactics were only saved from numerous examples of individual brilliance.

Well, I for one am... well, confused. What are you actually trying to say here? Because it looks like, well...

Don't see why the hyperbole in your post is reaching top levels. Put it simply, our squad, with good coaching, can achieve 2nd-3rd this season when competition is tough and the Top 5 are settled. Jose's tactics are not enough in the current environment. Last season, the Top 5 (bar City) were not so tough and hence our squad, despite being constrained his tactics, finished 2nd.

But keep deliberately trying to misunderstand my post.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Bailly, Pogba, Alexis, Martial, Mata. 8 players which is over half. I’m very sure you will argue but if Pep had his same players along with those I’ve just mentioned. Yesterday’s team except for Smalling on the simple fact he’s a shit passer would would have included those players. Pogba easily fits KDB’s role, Bailly with confidence is a better center back than Stones and Laporte. Martial and Alexis are just better footballers than Sterling fact. It would be hard given for anyone to prove to me Bernardo Silva has even been to Juan Mata’s Level.

So yes discuss.

That is just too funny

 

[JK-27]

De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Bailly, Pogba, Alexis, Martial, Mata. 8 players which is over half. I’m very sure you will argue but if Pep had his same players along with those I’ve just mentioned. Yesterday’s team except for Smalling on the simple fact he’s a shit passer would would have included those players. Pogba easily fits KDB’s role, Bailly with confidence is a better center back than Stones and Laporte. Martial and Alexis are just better footballers than Sterling fact. It would be hard given for anyone to prove to me Bernardo Silva has even been to Juan Mata’s Level.

So yes discuss.

cheeky_backheel has said all that needs to be said.

 

[Judas]

The idea of Bailly playing for Man City I'd love it, from a Man Utd fan point of view, that's for sure.

 

[bleedred]

Where is the evidence for this? We finished 2nd last season, so you're saying the players we have are capable of winning it? Considering we've not won it for 6 years?

What Utd players would be in a City starting 11?

Look at our squad, how many were in the last team to win the league? We don't have a squad with experienced Prem winners, a point Jose made with his 'heritage' speech.

Valencia is done, and we all know that, we've said for seasons our RB and LB positions needed sorting. Young is done. Jones is done. Bailly is done. Matic is done. McTominay is not a solution. Rojo is always injured. Pogba is inconsistent. Lingard is inconsistent. Rashford is inconsistent and has been for 2 seasons. Martial is inconsistent and has been for 2 season. Sanchez has not performed. Lukaku needs a rest.

If you think a new manager is going to change these issues I think you're wrong. We need better players, they've had their chances and not produced.

I am sure most in here would agree with that. A new manager alone is not going to fix the problems. But that is the first step in a lot of changes needed at the club.
At the same time, giving Jose more time or money is also not going to fix the issues.

We may not have enough quality in the squad to compete with Chelsea or city, but that doesn't excuse the shit show we see against the likes of championship sides and relegation fodder.

We have dropped points against Wolves, Brighton and lost in the cup to Derby. If we had won those games and just lost to spurs, fans would have been more accepting of our scenario to see that its the squad we have issues with and spending in January under Jose would be beneficial.

 

[JK-27]

We have a squad that can finish 3rd, equal to Chelsea. Though our squad quality is such that they can finish even 2nd under a better manager (say, like Sarri), our 2nd place finish last season under Jose was not due to brilliant tactics. His tactics have only undermined our players, whose individual quality and brilliance in patches often gave us the crucial wins needed to seal 2nd, while our competitors struggled for various reasons. The proof is that in the current season, the Top 5 who got their act together, are bunched up in the table while we are languishing some way below them.

Against Liverpool Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/manches...was-an-old-school-mourinho-masterclass-167233
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-liverpool-premier-league-live-score-updates/

Against Chelsea Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-explains-tactical-masterclass-to-beat-chelsea

Against Spurs Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ham-mauricio-pochettino-tactical-masterclass/

Against City Jose was praised for his half time team talk and tactical masterclass:

https://www.football-fan.tv/united-...ass-manchester-city-manchester-united-debrief

And these aren't any games, these are games against the top 5 teams. You're Jose out, that's fine, but don't lie about the reasons why.

 

[Mainoldo]

cheeky_backheel has said all that needs to be said.

We’ll see how funny it is once Mourinho is gone. Feel free to get back at me.

 

[Red Dreams]

I want Jose out because he dared to sabotage the team performance to prove a point to Woodward.

 

[MancunianAngels]

Re evaluate at the end of the season.

The Juve games and Chelsea/City will give us an indication of where we’re at in the short term.

I also can’t see us bringing in anyone (that’s currently available) that can do much better in the short to medium term (or at least whilst we have a combination of the Glazers and Woodward running the club.)

 

[RedDevil@84]

Please be realistic and live in the real world, he turned our best line when he took charge into shit after adding two players he said himself he watched them for a long time.

What best line?? Are you suggesting that adding Bailly and Lindelof to the trio of Smalling, Jones and Rojo, made them go down the hill?

Besides, managers always buy players from other leagues. There is no guarantee that they could replicate form in the PL.

 

[RooneyLegend]

The results match the performances this season hence we're struggling. Last season was odd from that standpoint, so many times De Gea salvaged matches.

 

[JK-27]

We’ll see how funny it is once Mourinho is gone. Feel free to get back at me.

This is nothing to do with Mourinho staying or going, it's to do with you thinking Bailly and Smalling would be in a City starting 11

 

[Starkie_1]

I want Jose out because he dared to sabotage the team performance to prove a point to Woodward.

Bullshit. Prove that? All those who want Jose out are making the most ridiculous stories and narratives. May as well work for the Mirror

 

[Mainoldo]

This is nothing to do with Mourinho staying or going, it's to do with you thinking Bailly and Smalling would be in a City starting 11

Didn’t realise John Stones and Laporte were world class!! If we swapped them we’d be calling for new CB’s.

 

[Kapardin]

Against Liverpool Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/manches...was-an-old-school-mourinho-masterclass-167233
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-liverpool-premier-league-live-score-updates/

Against Chelsea Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-explains-tactical-masterclass-to-beat-chelsea

Against Spurs Jose was praised for his tactical masterclass:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ham-mauricio-pochettino-tactical-masterclass/

Against City Jose was praised for his half time team talk and tactical masterclass:

https://www.football-fan.tv/united-...ass-manchester-city-manchester-united-debrief

And these aren't any games, these are games against the top 5 teams. You're Jose out, that's fine, but don't lie about the reasons why.

Lol, firstly, credit to Jose for some of those wins. I don't deny that his tactics were spot on for games against Chelsea and Liverpool. He is after all, an experienced manager and I don't claim he is David Moyes level. The City game at the Etihad was a terrible watch and Pogba decided to come to life in the second half -- we won it solely due to his individual brilliance. I remember us being outplayed by Arsenal at the Emirates who had several shots on goal and went on to miss them but us being clinical and scoring.

However, his tactics were certainly not consistent enough throughout the season to claim that 2nd place of his own making. Throughout the season, barring Chelsea and Liverpool games, we were boring to watch, even in the 4-0s and looked laboured. This is due to his tactics and nothing else. For some big games, Jose sets up teams differently and so we may get a good game now and then. But his overall approach is mediocre and outdated.

Of course, that approach is not good enough to get 2nd in a season like this when the other 5 teams are all settled.That we scored in many games last season was due to players being clinical, which fizzled out. And as for further evidence, it is clear that players are tired of those same tactics, which has caused squad resentment against him.

If I am lying, simply refute this statement - Do you or do you not agree that Conte and Wenger made it easier for Jose last season from January onwards or not? Do you think Sarri and Emery are doing a better job now?

 

[Joseunited]

Didn’t realise John Stones and Laporte were world class!! If we swapped them we’d be calling for new CB’s.

If either Stones or Laporte had played on Saturday we certainly wouldn't have conceded that 1st goal.You got any idea what Bailly was up to when the ball was played into Kenedy because he certainly wasn't defending.

 

[red woppit]

If either Stones or Laporte had played on Saturday we certainly wouldn't have conceded that 1st goal.You got any idea what Bailly was up to when the ball was played into Kenedy because he certainly wasn't defending.

He was closing down the Newcastle player who had broken forward from midfield, and he had all the time in the world to pick out a pass, as he was under no pressure from out midfield, Smalling and Young were dropping back, so he had to challenge.

 

[Joseunited]

He was closing down the Newcastle player who had broken forward from midfield, and he had all the time in the world to pick out a pass, as he was under no pressure from out midfield, Smalling and Young were dropping back, so he had to challenge.

He was nowhere near in position to break his line to close down the player.He hardly moved once Matic missed his interception,I don't know who played Kenedy in but Baily hardly moved took maybe one step forward or a bit to his right even and Kenedy just waltzed right past him.

 

[RooneyLegend]

We obviously have some good players. Sure, we also have some duds but what justifies everyone playing well below their peak level? it really isn't helping our cause. If he can't get more from this group then let's call it time on his time here.

Shaw, Martial, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Smalling have all had problems with their form at one stage or another. You can't tell me they all just can't perform. You cant tell me that because we've seen them all perform at some point before.

We used to have who's the best player in the league between Sanchez and Hazard debates on here, now he's useless. We used to salivate at the thought of what Martial may become. Shaw was in the league team of the year once upon a time at a lessor club. Pogba has honours that read like a legends before he got here. Even Lukaku with his terrible touch was feared in the league once upon a time.

Before we can go around sanctioning some of the huge purchases that he wants for what is basically some stop gap measures he needs to build a team that gets more of what he already has.

Mind you, every team misses out on targets but surely you can go around claiming they torpedo full seasons especially when none of them are genuine big time stars. City missed out on Jorginho and Sanchez. Pool missed out on Fekir etc etc.

 

[red woppit]

He was nowhere near in position to break his line to close down the player.He hardly moved once Matic missed his interception,I don't know who played Kenedy in but Baily hardly moved took maybe one step forward or a bit to his right even and Kenedy just waltzed right past him.

So he should have retreated like Smalling and Young, then the Newcastle player would have a free run at United's box. Baillie made the decision not to retreat to his own box, and had stopped, to face the attacking player, at no time was Baillie marking Kenedy, Young was with him all the way, and should have held him up, stopping him from getting the ball onto his left foot, Smalling was marking the other attacker, Baillie was the free man.

 

[Xaviboy]

I don't know how the next fixtures are going to go after international break but what if
We lose to Chelsea
Lose to juventus
Beat Everton
Draw or beat Bournemouth
Lose to juventus
Lose to Man city

Will you want mourinho gone? Thats what I predict based on the form of the team and other teams.

 

[AndyJ1985]

After narrowly beating the mighty Newcastle the votes for No jumped from 10.7% to 11.4%.