Yes and won the next 20 games in the premier scoring 80 goals and letting none in. Its all ifs and buts and wont happen.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I agree, it's exactly what he did.
If we played with that much ambition every week, this thread wouldn't even exist. Hope it continues.
After watching that match i don't think we can play like we did, i think he might have a point maybe thats why he doesn't set his team out to attack as our defence is absolutely shite if we attack and get hit on the break we'd get hurt everytime. Newcastle could have easily been up 3 or 4 before HT. Maybe he is right and that he does need some defenders.
Still on the fence about him going or staying if they can grind out some wins from the next 3 matches then i think he will keep his job.
Still on the fence about him going or staying if they can grind out some wins from the next 3 matches then i think he will keep his job.
Yes, couldn't agree more, why is he making all these strange positional changes, basically saying he thinks all the CBs are useless and then sticking all the midfielders in there, hardly conducive to finding a winning formula. Is he just doing it in the hope he gets sacked as he knows his time is up and therefore getting a better payoff or does he just want everyone to think he is some sort of innovative tactical mastermind who sees things others don't ?
If you don't trust your CBs, then why not attack more and play on the front foot and basically try to win by outscoring the opposition, knowing that you will almost inevitably concede, attack being your best form of defence.
It's got nothing to do with results. You can fluke those. It's about the football that we play, and whether it's something that can carry us forward.
I still want him sacked soon. The Newcastle result does nothing for me.
The style of football you play is dependent on the club's expectations, the style of the manager and the quality and depth of the squad.
Looking at all the teams Mou has managed, the only thing consistent is that he puts results above style points, which I think is fair if you have title ambitions. You win first, then we can talk about winning with style, cos no body gets a title for playing with style.
Give a manager a top quality squad and then you can demand that he wins, and wins with style. The current squad is not capable of that no matter who the manager is.
If not for the diabolical feck ups v Brighton and West Ham...I'll call them sabotage, we would be a point behind the leaders.
But this goes deeper.
Woodward is a cnut. But to be fair to the cnut, he bought the players Mourinho asked for.
So what happened?
Bailly and Lindeloff were his players. If they don't measure up whose fault is it?
Now we start facing the top sides.
Wait for his excuses.
But this goes deeper.
Woodward is a cnut. But to be fair to the cnut, he bought the players Mourinho asked for.
So what happened?
Bailly and Lindeloff were his players. If they don't measure up whose fault is it?
Now we start facing the top sides.
Wait for his excuses.
Well, I disagree. I think we can play far better football with what we have. Hard to do that though when individual talents struggle to blossom.
The problem for me hasn't been defensive play because I don't think that has been the problem. We just played badly. Previous Mourinho teams could be defensive, but still had a more organized, coherent attack. Ours has just been a mess.
That's absolute bollocks. Plenty of teams with lesser quality players than us have managed to play a far better style of football.
Such nonsense when Klopp first got to Liverpool they didn't have a top quality side yet they were winning in style. You've clearly bought into jose's propaganda smh
And let me guess derby and Brighton have better players than us.
The current squad finished second last season and were runners-up in the FA Cup. With the additions of Fred and Dalot over the summer (neither of which can even get a game) there was every reason to believe this squad would compete for honours this season.
Give this team a competent manager, one who is unafraid to make use of the squad's vast attacking options, and I'm positive their performance levels will increase exponentially.
Jose has done such a good job at brainwashing our fans
This squad is well capable of winning the title or at least getting darn close.
The perfect storm has been Mourinho's creation.
The perfect storm has been Mourinho's creation.
and what have they won?
Why do we get outplayed by smaller teams on our ground? Derby and wolves didn't need to spend 400 million to play decent football? Why can't we do it?
Dalot is a kid while Fred couldnt even get on the pitch at the WC, stuck playing behind the likes of Paulinho, Fernadinho, and Renato Augusto.
Citeh won the league and still brought in Mahrez; Liverpool brought in Alisson, Keita, Fabinho and Shaqiri; and Chelsea Kepa, Jorginho and Kovacic. Only Spurs stood pat.
Neither Dalot nor Fred is good enough to improve the level of the squad, while you have age catching up with many of the incumbent players. The squad this year is not as bad as they have been playing but they are not good as last year and have fallen relative to the competition.
If the players had developed/imporved over the last 2 years then maybe. But they have not, and the squad is not good enough to win the league.
Still, we should perform better than we currently are doing, and this is partly on JM shoulders.
and what have they won?
The poor performances this season has been worsened by Mou throwing his usual childish tantrum cos the squad is not being improved as much as is needed to move us to being true title challengers in PL and CL. But instead of improving, the quality of the squad has regressed.
The team needs an overhaul and injection of top quality players - that is the core of the problem. Mou antics has only exacerbated it.
Something is not adding up there.
No they are not.
Compared to last season, the likes of Valencia, Young, Matic and Sanchez, who were part of the core last season, were already past their peak, have only declined. Others have stayed pat or are plagued by injuries. Only Shaw seems to have improved.
To make up for all that, you only bring in a 19yr old kid with less than 10 first team appearances for Porto, and a Fred who is stuck behind a 30yr old renato augusto who plays in china!
The current squad is only good enough to fight for a CL spot
Do they have our players?
Fergie always managed to blend in youth with experience and some new buys. Mourinho has a habit of buying older players (proven) and they fade quickly.
Sanchez tbf came mid season and only now had a pre-season.
Valencia and Young are done.
Point is Mourinho has not only not managed the squad properly but has in fact has caused turmoil with his behavior and tactics...if you want to call it that.
What is not adding up? Fred was our 'big signing' while Alisson and keita are obviously ahead of Fabinho for Liverpool. If you want to compare, it should be Alisson (starting GK for Brazil ahead of Citeh's Ederson) vs Fred
Why did you use Fred's world cup mins and then mention Fabinho?
If you are using world cup mins as some standard then you have to remove players like Mahrez, Keita, Jorginho who didn't even qualify for World cup, and Fabinho who wasn't even in world cup squad, Kepa who didn't play even a single min.
You're suggesting that this season would have panned out differently if Jose was given extra funding over the summer? Possibly, but only if we could absolutely certain that these extra additions would not have been duds. Let's be honest here, his strike rate regards transfers has been abysmal since taking over at United. He has spent £400 million on new signings and not a single one could be classified as a definite success. Put yourself in Ed's shoes, would you trust the guy to get it right this time around?
Also, Jose falling out with Pogba, Martial, Valencia, Sanchez, Woody and the ever-present war with the media has most certainly had an adverse effect of performances too. Jose is accountable for so many problems within the club right now, both on and off the field. It's a miracle he is still in charge.
Fergie had the financial power to bully other clubs in the PL, poaching their best players. As other clubs like Chelsea and Citeh gained financial prowess, while the Glazers bled the club, that advantage dwindled and eventually disappeared. Back then, even expensive flops like Veron, could be accomodated. That margin no longer exists.
Mourinho prefers proven (and not necessarily older) players. One can easily look at the age at which he bought players like Cashley, Ozil, Di Maria, Modric, Drogba etc. Even at United, we can look at Pogba, Lukaku, Bailey, Lindelof, and, even Fred and Dalot. The only exceptions would be Ibra, Mikhi, Matic and Sanchez - the first two were probably precipiced by lack of options (as we were not in the CL), Matic was probably the best option available all considered and only Sanchez I felt was a bad move.
Who’s fault that, that the players haven’t improved. Do you know who plays RB for Liverpool? But Dalot is a rubbish signing? We wouldn’t know because he doesn’t play. Rafael came straight from Brazil and became our first team right back.. it’s all about managing what you have, Mourinho seems to think he needs XI world class players and now so do people like you.
All our players are crap but everyone else’s players are good even though we finished 2nd last season? Doesn’t add up.
I have not suggested that Mou be given free reign over transfers (as my opinion of Mou is that he can identify the needs of his squads but not necessarily the best players to fill that need), but that the management needed to improve the squad and add top quality. The team lacks quality almost all over the pitch. The fact that Fellaini is our 'ace' off the bench is quite telling
As to his falling out with people, that as always been par for the course with Mou and has never really limited his success on the pitch given the right squad. With football, winning makes a lot sh*t more palatable.
Especially if Mourinho is targeting older players, who need to perform right away under him because chances are they'll be on the wane in relative short time. It's different if you sign young ones and think that even if it doesn't work for them under Jose, another manager would get more out of them.
What has really changed?
Nothing.
The bandwagon rolls on.
Nothing.
The bandwagon rolls on.
Agreed. How many teams have better squads than ours? How many can bring on Mata and Sanchez from the bench? Liverpool started with Henderson in midfield and Lovren in defence today. City have a better team but it could be argued that our squad is as good or better than all the others.
That’s the truth! We’ve got quality just need the balance and correct tactics. The crowd won the game on Saturday.
the easiest schedule ever yet we are behind the bad Arsenal who already played two big matches.
They can’t be that bad anymore if they won 9 matches in a row? Wenger is gone.
never said he was rubbish but that Dalot is a youngster with less than 10 first team appearance, and not the kind of quality that would elevate a squad immediately. Alexander-Arnold on the other hand is in his 3rd season for liverpool's first team.
Rafael earned a starting spot very early but same cannot be said for his brother. It is always up to the coach to make that call based on what he sees of the player in training, considering not just the players ability on the ball but his mental fortitude as well. If Mou felt Dalot is better than the alternatives, he would have started him. I havent seen anything to suggest this is the case
Winning in style and yet they finished 8th in his first season? With all he has spent since, he is still yet to win a single trophy, with his best result so far being 4th in the league.
Yes they play with style but havent won anything yet - is that what you prefer?
Yes the team could probably play better and like I said that has a lot to do with Mou throwing a childish tantrum to make his point, but we wont have that problem if the squad had been properly strengthened.
The poor defensive play does shackle the team as the midfield and the attack have to be more conservative. We have been playing more defensive players to make up for the lack of leadership and quality in the defence.
...what you mean for the last 20 minutes of every match?
Just about beating relegation candidates?
Gonna have to do much better than that.
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