It's pure negligence and helps no one to keep him in charge for the rest of the season, it's of no benefit.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I think we should close the voting.
It'll save the Glazers £19m and keep Ed in their good books.
Are waiting to lose against Chelsea, Juventus or City before pulling the trigger? Why delay the inevitable? Our start to the season has not been acceptable.
This season there is shit loads of unrest and I'm not going to bother arguing Mourinho isn't to blame for that. But this suggestion that Emry got Arsenal looking like a side Mourinho never did for us is absolute bullshit.
Its not just that he coaches them and Jose didn't. You're trying to claim one of the most decorated managers of all time doesn't coach his players? On your bike mate.
Watch this Arsenal side, tell me how good their midfield and defense is vs ours, and assess in an unbiased manner rather than twerking for Jose. Better yet, read the posts of Arsenal fans in the Arsenal thread. Emery's been coaching them and it's showing some promise.
Mourinho is not only to blame for the unrest, but there are other factors for which he is to blame. Namely, his tactics which caused the unrest in the first place, his chopping and changing the line-up based on his relationships with players and his non-existent coaching of the attack which caused their purple patch to tail off.
Keeps claiming he can't work without signings when Emery is outdoing him with no star signings, as is Poch. Even Sarri, who only signed Jorginho. And that Chelsea side is close to ours in quality - terrible strikers, one star (Hazard/Pogba), a decent midfield and a dodgy defense.
Oh I suppose we should have kept LvG on as he won so many titles in the past? Managers have expiry dates.
Jose's past teams relied a lot on the acumen and individual abilities of his forwards. Jose drilled his teams to make them defensively solid, but he can't even do that now. With the attack, the problem is Lukaku ain't no Drogba or Costa, Martial is not Hazard and so on...bar Pogba, this lot require coaching and they aren't getting it.
Currently watching Chelsea makes you realise all the excuses made for Jose make no sense
Really enough. All the top teams are playing attractive football except us. Even a club like Everton sacked Allardyce because of the style of play even though they finished comfortably away from danger.
According to his fans, anything Emery or Sarri do is bullshit, because Jose is a decorated manager and they can never actually exceed him in coaching.
It's all about reputation isn't it? Hand us the PL and CL double right now. Who really needs to performed well?
Yeah that 3rd Goal Chelsea scored, we would never see that in this Utd team. That's all Sarri's work, quick football and movement. I enjoyed watching Chelsea today pisses me off when you see that after a manager in charge for 3 months already has got identity to his team and our manager 3 years in and we are brutal to watch.
Unless Zidane is our first choice it doesn’t make any sense to sack him right now.Yes,if we lose another 2-3 PL games on the spin then his position will become untenable,but there’s no point in pulling the trigger right now.
Let’s see how we perform against Chelsea and Juve first ...I don’t want us to sign Zidane because nobody else is available.In my view Pochettino and Allegri are better options....
Allegri's football is dreadful. Poch isn't coming to Utd either.
Results against Chelsea and Juve change absolutely nothing.
But then beating Newcastle seems to have changed everything for some on here, so what's the point of debating the matter.
Results against Chelsea and Juve change absolutely nothing.
But then beating Newcastle seems to have changed everything for some on here, so what's the point of debating the matter.
Wow the "No" vote is really growing after we struggled to beat one of the worst teams in the league at OT.
Generally speaking, Mourinho would certainly be gone from Munich by now by analogy to Ancelotti's stay here. In the purely hypothetical setting that anyone at Bayern would ever have considered hiring him.
People are fickle. I could understand them wanting the give him a bit more time option, but not No. He needs to go. I cannot see things changing after the break as a lot of players are away, so he cannot even work on anything.
First of all, I am a longstanding Utd supporter of over sixty years but I have not changed my mind regarding Jose. He is clearly not the man for the job and there are so many points even so far this season that point to that. Last nights performance was a one off against at best a mediocre team who made us look useless for the best part of 60 minutes. Yes I enjoyed the comeback and cheered all the goals as well as the efforts shown. However only the last thirty minutes was what we should expect of Utd against teams like this.
What is really disturbing for me is that this sort of performance has not appeared in any other match so far this season when we have been behind, i.e. Brighton, West Ham, Spurs. I do not believe Jose was in any part responsible for the transformation but the players were actually ashamed at the position they were in and got away with the win because the quality of the opposition was so poor. Don't anyone please expect any similar performances against Chelsea, City or Juve. By the way I have been so disappointed in Jose since he joined Utd because of the style of play he has tried to adopt which is not too far removed from how LvG tried to get us playing.
What is really disturbing for me is that this sort of performance has not appeared in any other match so far this season when we have been behind, i.e. Brighton, West Ham, Spurs. I do not believe Jose was in any part responsible for the transformation but the players were actually ashamed at the position they were in and got away with the win because the quality of the opposition was so poor. Don't anyone please expect any similar performances against Chelsea, City or Juve. By the way I have been so disappointed in Jose since he joined Utd because of the style of play he has tried to adopt which is not too far removed from how LvG tried to get us playing.
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The goalposts/expectations always get moved and brought down to the gutter with Jose it seems. Other top sides can get new managers in and within months have them playing with a set style and identity yet the dour one, in year 3, needs an extra 100m to set his team up with a semblance of a plan
It was a nice comeback but the fact that it was even needed against such a shite team does nothing to alleviate the current malaise surrounding the club. It's the equivalent of a bandaid over a bullet wound
I’m wondering.. how many of the Mou out brigade would change their mind if we managed 4 points in two matches against Juve.
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U can't be serious with a post like that can u ?
Would be great - but I still would want him gone.
Probably plenty judging by how fickle people are on here if us huffing and puffing to a win against Newcastle is enough to convince people he shouldn't be sacked.
Yeah, and? Doesn't change the fact some people have changed their mind after yesterday, does it?
I want him gone, but if he gets results over the next month in our matches against Chelsea, City and Juve, I'd keep him around till the end of the season.
Why though? We'll still lose countless games and drop plenty of points against teams the best teams in the league will beat with absolute ease.
Anyone still flip flopping like this after each result wouldn't be worth taking into consideration imo. They'll be back on the sack train after the next loss. By now it's no longer a matter of weekly results, it's a matter of deciding what we want our long term direction to be
Yes, if results pick up, there's no particular reason to move him on before the summer.
But.. we finished 2nd last season??
And the majority of matchgoers still want him. Somehow just being in the stadium, they know more about United and football than us, the armchair fans.
j/k
A sharp reminder that we're early in the season and already left playing to qualify for a tournament we won't do anything in, and are unlikely to qualify for anyway. Things might steady themselves, but is that enough? Likely playing in the Europe League again next season, with very similar struggles?
I want change.
I want change.
I guess your own trainer at Bayern München will be on the out list too after the home loss 0-3 against Gladbach. Just give it a little more time. Dann wird er gekundigt.One last minute win against absolute relegation fodder who somehow managed to have you two down, and the Mou out option is down 2%
Regardless of second last season and 2 trophies in first season. He is not the right man for the job.
No team identity, playing badly, just scraping past teams like Newcastle, not scoring enough, not attackng enough, generally this whole sorry saga is an embarrassment to the biggest club in the world.
Mourinho has to go!
No team identity, playing badly, just scraping past teams like Newcastle, not scoring enough, not attackng enough, generally this whole sorry saga is an embarrassment to the biggest club in the world.
Mourinho has to go!
I wouldn’t change my mind as I never wanted him as our manager in the first place!
So you would not change your mind whatever the upcoming results be?
What do you mean?
It's not like we don't already expect the team to win games here and there if he remains manager. This is long past the point of weekly results
What is it with this blind faith towards managers that we seem to have? Because Sir Alex turned it round in completely different times? Because he said it on the pitch at his last home game as manager? I can still think for myself and say that he didn’t get it right all the time or that he wasn’t at fault for the things he did throughout the successful times.
A win against one of the worst teams in the league isn’t going to turn it around. We’ve had more than our share of false dawn moments in the past five years. Jose wants to get sacked for the payoff and he’s just going through the motions the moment the board wouldn’t back him the summer. The board need to decide what they’re doing and carry out instead of scattergunning it again.
The only possible reason he stays for me is the wanted replacement isn’t available at this time.
A win against one of the worst teams in the league isn’t going to turn it around. We’ve had more than our share of false dawn moments in the past five years. Jose wants to get sacked for the payoff and he’s just going through the motions the moment the board wouldn’t back him the summer. The board need to decide what they’re doing and carry out instead of scattergunning it again.
The only possible reason he stays for me is the wanted replacement isn’t available at this time.
It’s not about points anymore. It depends on the performance. If we play like we played in the last 15 mins every game, fans wouldn’t mind that much about the points or results. So I couldn’t care about win against juventus, it’s more to see if we have a good game plan, not just against juve, against every team.
Now that I have answered your question, let me just reverse yours. How many more defeats/dull draws before the Jose in brigade say enoughs enough?
I am just thinking about the uproar that will be in the cafe if we were pennypinching like the Arsenal board. Emery got like 70 million euros to spend this summer, and I think played Mustafi and Holding at CB today. You can't tell me they are vastly better than any of the defenders we have. And, they just beat Fulham 5-1. When was the last time we ever scored 5 in the Premier League?
Last year, the Arsenal team were a laughing stock. This year, they are flying high. Why? because their coach has implemented a system and doesn't moan about not getting 50-75 million center backs. Their defenders are being coached. Lindelof looks like his confidence is completely shattered. I am not saying he is the second coming of Rio or whatever, but there is a good defender there who is so much better than what we are seeing now. The man was scoring freekicks at Portugal, ffs.
The time for introspection is now. We can still qualify for the champions league if our board has the guts to make the right decision, namely sacking Mourinho and finding a replacement. I am so angry that after Fergie left, we are talking writing off entire seasons ,just like that. That is not right. That is not who we are.
Last year, the Arsenal team were a laughing stock. This year, they are flying high. Why? because their coach has implemented a system and doesn't moan about not getting 50-75 million center backs. Their defenders are being coached. Lindelof looks like his confidence is completely shattered. I am not saying he is the second coming of Rio or whatever, but there is a good defender there who is so much better than what we are seeing now. The man was scoring freekicks at Portugal, ffs.
The time for introspection is now. We can still qualify for the champions league if our board has the guts to make the right decision, namely sacking Mourinho and finding a replacement. I am so angry that after Fergie left, we are talking writing off entire seasons ,just like that. That is not right. That is not who we are.
I blame jose a lot for what has happenend this season.... Our defence was good enough in mosr games last season. He was right about getting anoyher center back to further solidify us, but when that didnt happen he chose to ruin confidence and purposely abandon the structure that kept us soild last season in order to prove a point. Completely broke down all the confidence in our defence, crearing chaos in ths squad that has caused this leak.
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