The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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    2,977
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OldSchoolManc said:
It is quite obvious that we have been set up to attack more this season. The defence can’t cope with the loss of a midfield barrier.
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I don't see that. He's still playing two defensive midfielders - yesterday it was Matic and McTominay - and Pogba in midfield.

Smalling seems to be the only central defender he has at least a bit of trust in. He just seems to rotate the others game by game, hoping against hope something will click.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I think that's exactly what it is, because there wasn't a massive issue last season. Don't get me wrong I know we need another CB but our current set should be playing much better than they are.
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Honestly I went into this summer transfer window thinking that a CB was a low priority, obviously I was wrong, and we should have gone for one, but Jose really has made his bed with this one atm, and constantly trying to prove the point that they need replacing is wearing thin.
 
The ideal scenario is he stays until the summer which gives us the time to hire the right man. At half time yesterday his position seemed untenable but whatever happened in that second half has probably convinced the board we can go another few games under his leadership. The international break should quieten some of the noise down - provided Pogba can manage to say “no comment” to any Mourinho related questions.

I’ve given José a bit of stick on another thread and he absolutely needs to go long term but it’s clear we decided in the summer we wanted a change of style to a more attacking way. So in December we extended his contract and then 6 months later decided we wanted to play a way in which Mourinho doesn’t suit. That just sums up everything about this club at the minute. Carrick and McKenna are positive steps. Not spending 140m on 30 year olds is a positive step. Deciding despite finishing second, playing the absolute dirge we did for periods of last season isn’t acceptable for Manchester United is a positive step. But you can’t do that and keep Jose, and although he hasn’t helped himself he’s been set up to fail this year. He should have gone in the summer which would have suited both parties. He could quite legitimately have argued he was a success here and we could then have started going in a new direction. Instead we’ve now wasted a year and it’s all about getting to the end of the season in one piece.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
It is quite obvious that we have been set up to attack more this season. The defence can’t cope with the loss of a midfield barrier.
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Its quite obvious that hasn't been the case since the early games when Pogba and Fred were both starting together. We've had more CBs and more DMs playing than ever since then. The midfield has been slack, other than Fellaini in the air but its not due to playing more offensive players. Its due to poor performances and poor organization
 
Rednotdead said:
I don't see that. He's still playing two defensive midfielders - yesterday it was Matic and McTominay - and Pogba in midfield.

Smalling seems to be the only central defender he has at least a bit of trust in. He just seems to rotate the others game by game, hoping against hope something will click.
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The problem is we can't stick to certain 11 because simply the number of players that can consistently perform week in week out can be counted on fingers. Even the fans themselves can't agree on a certain formation that they will be 100% certain it's going to perform every week. Too many inconsistent performances here and there and it's a miracle to see a United player playing 3 games in a row with the same level of performance.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
I think he means they are not good enough to play out from the back with, which they aren't.

When Pogba dropped deeper in the 2nd half it showed what we are missing from the back, somebody who can carry the ball forward and distribute it properly.

As it stands, Smalling and whoever else pass side-to-side. Until Pogba drops deep and takes the ball from them.-
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That's why playing two DMs that are not good enough is pointless. Jose has to pick between the out of form Matic and the limited Fellaini, but he wont and that's why we would remain average.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
This is what I don't get - this is the same defense as last season and we only conceded 28 goals one more than city. What's changed?
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Well for starters we were quite lucky last season as even last season our defense had lots of shocking matches and our attack staged quite a few comebacks to hide the defensive inconsistencies . Along with that the negative outlook and the constant bickering with the players in the 2nd half of the season and this pre season took a toll on the mindset of the players . Add to that Matic had a phenomenal season last time and he shielded our defense a lot . This season he is having a mare and its affecting all the defenders .

Jose correctly analysed the defensive deficiencies and wanted to alter it by signing 2 centre backs and getting rid of atleast 1 centre back I think but he was unable to . It was a huge thumbs down to our defenders and it has affected their morale a lot . All the media attention on Jose and our defenders this season has also affected them a lot .
 
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Mata who saves the guy who put an end to his carreer at Chelsea

Funny
 
Why is the decision always irrespective of other options?

What is best for the club , not just some kind of revenge sacking.

Peraonally if he is fired and replaced before the new DOF comes in that is just another of our long list of wrong decisions
 
Sassy Colin said:
We win one game of football and suddenly some people have changed their minds about whether he should go or not.

How fickle some people are.
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True. Actually, it was only 20 minutes. Apparently everything that has happened in the past and will happen in the future is irrelevant.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We win one game of football and suddenly some people have changed their minds about whether he should go or not.

How fickle some people are.
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Well people changed their mind after a good half an hour against Spurs, then that win against a poor Burnley team. Doesn't take much for some on here. Just means I pay less attention to people who pretend to have strong opinions, but will change them in a second.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We win one game of football and suddenly some people have changed their minds about whether he should go or not.

How fickle some people are.
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No need to worry about it. Worst case scenario is, he gets us Top 4 and leaves, as clearly he has burned his bridges with Woodward who won't countenance having him for another season. That would be fine, as getting Top 4 would be a solid platform for the next manager. Or, he is sacked if we lose again, and we get in someone quickly who can salvage the season.

Either way, the willingness of Woodward to act mid-season if results go awry is a life-saver for us. I can begin to get more invested in our prospects this season.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We win one game of football and suddenly some people have changed their minds about whether he should go or not.

How fickle some people are.
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Agree, I said the same thing last night. You watch how toxic it will be around here after Chelsea and Juventus because I simply can’t see us getting positive results against either side.

Last night’s second half will only cause us problems long term.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We win one game of football and suddenly some people have changed their minds about whether he should go or not.

How fickle some people are.
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The majority of fans still want him gone for good . He won't last long to be honest but I am conflicted temporarily since I rather have him in our dug out for next few games against the big guns instead of a caretaker manager or next permanent manager . The upcoming matches are the kind which is more comfortable for Jose since he can play as under dogs and can get results .

About the winning game part I feel its more to do with the style of our attacking play than anything related to Jose . Its a treat for us fans to see our team attacking without any restraints and we all enjoyed it .
 
Still firmly Mourinho out, things went to shite after the City comeback.
Any midtable team could of being up 4-5 in that first half..
 
Anti-Mourinho contingent getting upset because not everyone is voting the way they want. Goodness, if your only validation in life includes watching a totally inconsequential, meaningless poll about the man you hate, on a forum with 0.01% of the Man Utd fan population, you need to rethink your priorities.

Wonder if they thought the same when a bunch of people switched from No to Yes. I'm sure nobody was fickle then, just making the 'right' choice, eh?
 
Looks like he has definitely lost the dressing room. Did their best yesterday to spoil his early pay out plans.
 
Regalia said:
Anti-Mourinho contingent getting upset because not everyone is voting the way they want. Goodness, if your only validation in life includes watching a totally inconsequential, meaningless poll about the man you hate, on a forum with 0.01% of the Man Utd fan population, you need to rethink your priorities.

Wonder if they thought the same when a bunch of people switched from No to Yes. I'm sure nobody was fickle then, just making the 'right' choice, eh?
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:lol:
 
Regalia said:
Anti-Mourinho contingent getting upset because not everyone is voting the way they want. Goodness, if your only validation in life includes watching a totally inconsequential, meaningless poll about the man you hate, on a forum with 0.01% of the Man Utd fan population, you need to rethink your priorities.

Wonder if they thought the same when a bunch of people switched from No to Yes. I'm sure nobody was fickle then, just making the 'right' choice, eh?
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Nobody hates Mourinho. They hate his work with us, which is a failure.

If anything, I feel really sad to see one of the greatest managers of this era reduced to a caricature and looking like a pale shadow of himself. I loved his appointment and never wanted him to fail. But clearly, he isn't up to it anymore.
 
Regalia said:
Anti-Mourinho contingent getting upset because not everyone is voting the way they want. Goodness, if your only validation in life includes watching a totally inconsequential, meaningless poll about the man you hate, on a forum with 0.01% of the Man Utd fan population, you need to rethink your priorities.

Wonder if they thought the same when a bunch of people switched from No to Yes. I'm sure nobody was fickle then, just making the 'right' choice, eh?
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No anti Jose fans can't be bothered with him because it's taken him 3 years to have a game where the players played 352 with players in their natural position - anti Jose fans have been asking him to use it but he continues with his standard miserable tactics with make shift wingers whose main role is to cross to a target man who has the worst first touch on the ball. The midfield is non existent due to us purposely willing to give the ball to the opposition on purpose which also has the defence on the back foot.

It's weird seeing fans assuming that it was Jose's work that got the best out of the team yesterday - when it was actually just him giving up & getting the best out of the team - playing as a team.

The anti Jose fans know that Jose isn't flexible unless it needs to change mid game & want a manager who is building a team that aims to get the best out of their players for a full 90 mins.

The Jose fans hardly talk about tactics, hardly talks about the Jose players that don't show up like Lukaku & Matic whilst undermining the under the bus players like Martial & Pogba. The Jose fans - just like Jose, purely care about the result & therefore shift their minds to wanting to see more of him every time we scrape a result when he actually ends up using the right tactics for 20 mins a game.
 
I would love to see some statistics about the poll.

Like the time people began supporting united, or where people are from, gender, age ...

I'm not suggesting anything, just curious about how the votes are distributed.
 
People treating the voting like Woodward will enter the forum, see the result, then take decision based on it.
 
Oldyella said:
Looks like he has definitely lost the dressing room. Did their best yesterday to spoil his early pay out plans.
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What logic did you use to get to that ? or is it sarcasm ? i hope it is, i don't know what is and what isn't in this place anymore.
 
Nope,still haven't changed my vote.We all know Jose will revert to type in the upcoming games.Last nights impressive comeback has just given him,by reports,alittle bit of breathing space.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Natural would be them wanting us to lose but the dire straits we are at the club is why they’re relaxed and happy.
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It’s absolutely the same for us, we also wanted eogers to stay as long as possible if it meant they won a game, better for us long term, hence the natural reaction for me. Winning one game agains newcastle moving from 10th place to 8th will hardly harm liverpool
 
I still have a great deal of will to see Mourinho succeed, but everything that has happened points to irreconcilable differences between player, manager and board. It’s sad that there appears to be so little trust from top to bottom.

So now we’re stuck in this weird malaise of a manager who from past experience would’ve expected to have left by now, a squad who would’ve expected to get their way and the manager booted and a CEO who appears not to trust the manager he appointed but yet is reluctant to sack him - either because of ramifications over compensation, a lack of a plan or both.

Ed is failing. Mourinho is failing. The players are failing.

All are culpable. All should fear for their jobs. But the axe will only fall on one.
 
Jose has to go it's a cert. I think we should keep him until the Champions League group stages are complete and hopefully we are in the knock out stages in February.
A new manager before Christmas would be ideal, give the fans a boost, get ready for another FA Cup campaign, have the Champs League to look forward to and just concentrate on the football side. Get the team spirit back, change these boring sideways passing defensive dull as dishwater out dated Victorian tactics and put a spark and smile back into the club with some attacking football. Obviously a top 4 finish is the aim now and then in the summer the new manager will have worked with the squad and be able to offload the deadwood of which there is a lot and bring in some new players. But yeah Jose is a busted flush at Old T the jobs and fans expectations and demands are way beyond him.
 
I think Mourinho will let the players go gung ho like 2nd half yesterday and we will get picked off by Chelsea easily and he will then come out with the negativity of 'this is why we can't play like this' in post match interview just to make a point. Players confidence get hit with another low going in to the juventus game.
 
el3mel said:
People treating the voting like Woodward will enter the forum, see the result, then take decision based on it.
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The host on BT sport admitted to visiting fan forums to get a gauge on how the fans were feeling before posing questions to Rio and Scholes. So yeah even if Woodward is not logging in, the views are getting out there.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The host on BT sport admitted to visiting fan forums to get a gauge on how the fans were feeling before posing questions to Rio and Scholes. So yeah even if Woodward is not logging in, the views are getting out there.
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If they entered the Caf they will change their mind in no time about this idea.

Also still we shouldn't give too much importance to trivial things.
 
One last minute win against absolute relegation fodder who somehow managed to have you two down, and the Mou out option is down 2% :lol:
 
Mr H said:
I would love to see some statistics about the poll.

Like the time people began supporting united, or where people are from, gender, age ...

I'm not suggesting anything, just curious about how the votes are distributed.
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What are you hoping to find?
 
Mr H said:
I would love to see some statistics about the poll.

Like the time people began supporting united, or where people are from, gender, age ...

I'm not suggesting anything, just curious about how the votes are distributed.
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Clearly suggesting something or you wouldn't care even a tiny bit about such statistics.
 
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