The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Judas said:
I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am that people think this could be a turning point, it just seems so naive. We've had comebacks before, we had comebacks under Moyes for heavens sake.
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All along, I wanted us to win and for Jose to leave during the international break so that we would be in a good position to try to catch up to Liverpool or City. They are playing against each other this weekend and it was crucial we won this game.

Job's half done. Now, if McDonnell is worth his salt, Jose will leave before the break is over. But in the event that this win has earned him some time, I would hope he drops this McTominay experiment, picks the right line-up and ensures we see more of the second half performance consistently. Because there are big games coming up post-break, and Ed has a huge decision which could define our season which literally hinges on that little run of games, to back him or sack him.

I have been leaning towards Mourinho out for the past couple of weeks, but I actually do like the guy. I wanted him to manage us 2 years ago. So I have no problems backing him if he stays on, though I am bracing myself for the worst if that happens.
 
Put it this way, my Liverpool supporting mate said 'if it gives him more time I'm glad you won', and I know if it were Liverpool in this position we'd be thinking the same thing.
 
I feel like now would be good time to say goodbye before things really turn sour.
 
He should be sacked tomorrow. No more excuses for the shitshow he is producing week in and week out. Mou out!
 
With Jose it's all about results so he saves his ass by the moment, that's the deal. But watching us today it's obvious that his destiny is already written and there's no escape.

Displays like this one at home against Newcastle (19) are simply unacceptable at this stage of his tenure. We are in the third season and we look as hopeless and shapeless as we did in the first games, when everything was yet to do. Actually we looked much better in the very first games of the first season (before facing City) than we are doing now. This is the wonderful progress he's serving us on a plate. And some people say he deserves credit for today. Let me have a laugh.

The management of the squad, his ridiculous decisions, the lack of a proper plan, the permanent show and drama around his figure, his tiresome bullshit and speeches, etc. It has to end this season and it will, sooner or later depends on the ball getting in or not. I think a pair of painful loses in any moment will take him back to London.

My main worry is how the club is planning for the future, and if they will try to improve certain areas, like hiring football professionals to take football decisions (such a weird thing), setting a long term strategy, so we can start planning and building in some direction, whatever it is. But something.

I've been saying for years that people at the helm are football amateurs, but it doesn't mean that Mourinho is blameless and fine. Mourinho is one of the main problems and represents all the wrong things we have as a club. Short term vision, lack of football identity, and trying to solve everything by signing new players. He's all name but no substance nowadays, exactly like us.

Mourinho needs to go, but with him those who thought that this man and his school of thought were what we needed. And if they don't leave (Woody) they should dedicate themselves to different matters, and stop having any say in anything related with football. Until it happens I don't care too much about wins, draws or comebacks, 'cause in the end the big picture remains the same. The painful truth is without proper planning we're going nowhere, both as a team and as a club.
 
Still firmly out. We attacked because we had to. He'll play his usual cowardly way against Chelsea after the international break.

Add to that it was Newcastle we were playing.
 
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Infra-red said:
There's no chance. Not after today.
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Woodward looked grim when we scored. Either it was a stern "I am a CEO" expression for the cameras, or I rather think something happened this week between him and Jose that made him think he doesn't want Jose around for one minute more than necessary, and thus is mulling over how to proceed with this circus. Either way, doesn't reflect well on him.
 
it was a lucky last-minute home win against relegation fodder. Was it enjoyable? Oh yes, absolutely. Should it save his job? No. The sooner he leaves the better.
 
Nothings changed.Great comeback but we're still and always will be all over the place under Mourinho.Matic will never be dropped.McTominay will lurch from one game to the next.Young will get in in front ofDalot.The list is endless.
Sack him, the fecker takes no responsibility for anything.
 
Joseunited said:
Nothings changed.Great comeback but we're still and always will be all over the place under Mourinho.Matic will never be dropped.McTominay will lurch from one game to the next.Young will get in in front ofDalot.The list is endless.
Sack him, the fecker takes no responsibility for anything.
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Do you think that in hindsight, your choice of username was an error?
 
I didn't like the banners supporting Mourinho in the stands. The man has never embraced the club and the fans until this season when it looked like his job was on the line. The banners should only be printed for the likes of Sir Alex and Sir Matt and club legends, and nobody else.

And the board should still sack mourinho. Substituting Bailly with Mct, and then taking off Mct, what the feck was that about? I feels sorry for Mct, he is being used as a pawn in the power struggle between Mourinho and the club. We are winning games inspite of Mourinho, not because of him. We never should have been 2-0 down to fecking Newcastle in the first place. I hope this result has not blinded the fans to the fact that Mourinho must go, his position has become untenable.

The time to do that is now because of the international break, which gives us a bit of time. We will see whether our board has the guts to make the decision.
 
Infra-red said:
There's no chance. Not after today.
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Mate , it's not like we beat Juventus at Turin and advanced to the champions league final. We were under the cosh for 70 minutes at Old Trafford against a side battling relegation. We should be swatting them aside with ease.

I enjoyed the result, which was a decent upturn after the fecking shambles against West Ham and Valencia. But Mourinho still must go.
 
At the end of the day, he needs to go because even when we were playing well, he'd quickly change to overly negative tactics.
Ultra conservative football and drama has dominated his tenure here and it won't fecking change.

I recall when he signed, that it was going to all be rosy and fecking daisies, with him 'adhering' to the Utd way. Has he? Bit of an obvious answer eh.

The comeback was brillant but that first half was one of the worst of his tenure. On a bad patch of form, defensive setup at home to a team that is 19th and not won in 10, losing 8 of those?
No fecking wonder they scored 2 in 10mins.

After the international break, nothing will change.
3 years in, still no style, still no best 11. More drama than the other 19 fecking managers combined and he's always the victim.
 
Phil Osophy said:
With Jose it's all about results so he saves his ass by the moment, that's the deal. But watching us today it's obvious that his destiny is already written and there's no escape.

Displays like this one at home against Newcastle (19) are simply unacceptable at this stage of his tenure. We are in the third season and we look as hopeless and shapeless as we did in the first games, when everything was yet to do. Actually we looked much better in the very first games of the first season (before facing City) than we are doing now. This is the wonderful progress he's serving us on a plate. And some people say he deserves credit for today. Let me have a laugh.

The management of the squad, his ridiculous decisions, the lack of a proper plan, the permanent show and drama around his figure, his tiresome bullshit and speeches, etc. It has to end this season and it will, sooner or later depends on the ball getting in or not. I think a pair of painful loses in any moment will take him back to London.

My main worry is how the club is planning for the future, and if they will try to improve certain areas, like hiring football professionals to take football decisions (such a weird thing), setting a long term strategy, so we can start planning and building in some direction, whatever it is. But something.

I've been saying for years that people at the helm are football amateurs, but it doesn't mean that Mourinho is blameless and fine. Mourinho is one of the main problems and represents all the wrong things we have as a club. Short term vision, lack of football identity, and trying to solve everything by signing new players. He's all name but no substance nowadays, exactly like us.

Mourinho needs to go, but with him those who thought that this man and his school of thought were what we needed. And if they don't leave (Woody) they should dedicate themselves to different matters, and stop having any say in anything related with football. Until it happens I don't care too much about wins, draws or comebacks, 'cause in the end the big picture remains the same. The painful truth is without proper planning we're going nowhere, both as a team and as a club.
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A very good point. I remember those games. We attacked much better than we are now. The first half today was shocking. Absolutely shocking. We only attacked in the 2nd half because we had no choice but to go for it. It wasn't anything tactical from the manager. The players just threw caution to the wind. They look better when they don't have to worry about tactics and just have to go for it and this is a problem. There's still no shape or style of play. It all seemed very chaotic to me even when we attack. We will still park the bus against the first big team we play and this will be another false dawn. A nice comeback today but doesn't change much because the manager hasn't shown that he can get this team to play like this consistently at any point in the last two years.
 
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VJ1762 said:
Substituting Bailly with Mct, and then taking off Mct, what the feck was that about? I feels sorry for Mct, he is being used as a pawn in the power struggle between Mourinho and the club.
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Bailly was substituted for Mata.
 
VJ1762 said:
Mate , it's not like we beat Juventus at Turin and advanced to the champions league final. We were under the cosh for 70 minutes at Old Trafford against a side battling relegation. We should be swatting them aside with ease.

I enjoyed the result, which was a decent upturn after the fecking shambles against West Ham and Valencia. But Mourinho still must go.
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I don't disagree re the result (it's a game you'd expect us to win). But, there is a difference between simply winning a game... and winning a game in which you concede two goals in the opening ten minutes, drag your CB off at 18 minutes, throw caution to the wind with an utterly ludicrous back three of Pogba, Matic and Smalling, and somehow manage to fight your way back to score a last minute winner in front of the stretty to rapturous celebration.

It would take a braver man than we all suspect Woodward to be, to sack Mourinho immediately after that.

It doesn't mean he's here for the season, and in fact he may well not see out October, but he's not going this weekend or during the internationals.
 
VP89 said:
Guess he hasn't lost the dressing room by that performance either.
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I never felt he lost the dressing room or the players were in anyway trying to feck him over, my position has always been and still is Jose not doing a good job
 
VP89 said:
Guess he hasn't lost the dressing room by that performance either.
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I never felt he lost the dressing room or the players were in anyway trying to feck him over, my position has always been and still is Jose not doing a good job
 
Infra-red said:
I don't disagree re the result (it's a game you'd expect us to win). But, there is a difference between simply winning a game... and winning a game in which you concede two goals in the opening ten minutes, drag your CB off at 18 minutes, throw caution to the wind with an utterly ludicrous back three of Pogba, Matic and Smalling, and somehow manage to fight your way back to score a last minute winner in front of the stretty to rapturous celebration.

It would take a braver man than we all suspect Woodward to be, to sack Mourinho immediately after that.

It doesn't mean he's here for the season, and in fact he may well not see out October, but he's not going this weekend or during the internationals.
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We have been down this road before. Remember 0-0 against Chelsea at OT under LvG in 15/16? Earned him some time because our players looked aggressive and were playing for the manager.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-0-chelsea-was-this-enough-for-louis-van-gaal

I am seeing a lot of this in the Newcastle game. Improved performance (albeit in 2nd half), players fighting for the manager, a perceived positive result and Ed unable to be ruthless and sack the manager. Ignored that Chelsea back then were out of sorts, as were Newcastle today -- and a draw against that Chelsea side (and a win today) is nothing extraordinary.

Trouble is, just as it didn't last for LvG, neither will it last for Jose. Though I hope I'm wrong as we have some tough fixtures coming up.
 
Keep going, Jose. Whatever comes to pass will do. The only thing that will make life better for United is results improving, whether under Mourinho or someone else.
 
This game does nothing for me honestly. Still want him to be sacked/leave the club.
 
Today felt like Moyes v Fulham. It's blatantly obvious that this isn't the beginning of some turn around. It just delays a badly needed change.
 
Mourinho bought, sold, discarded and fought with and insulted almost all the players.

He is 100% responsible for the shambles the team is in now.

But Woodward and the Glazers who have used the club to milk it of Revenue at every opportunity and ran it as a purely business and Not as football club are 100% responsible for the shambles this club are now.

Yes. Mourinho must go whatever the cost. But so must Woodward.
 
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