The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Infra-red said:
£29m the cost to sack Mourinho now. Just £10m if the club sacks him at the end of the season if we finish outside the top 4.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/revealed-huge-sum-sacking-jose-13376032
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ok,but if we finish outside the top 4, we would be in the europa league travelling to some remote eastern european nation( which will cause fatigue and affect the performance even more in the PL) and missing out on cl revenues as well as a drop in sponsor money from adidas(something related to participation in the cl for x amount of years in the sponsorship agreement). Also, you have to ask, will pogba stay? he is basically our entire midfield right now and if he goes, we are in for an absolute nightmare. Will de gea stay? I feel that we are taking his services for granted. If we feck up this season, he might just say, feck y'all and pack up his bags. So, we have the potential to lose our biggest assets in both midfield and in the goalkeeping department.

I say cut our losses right now, before it becomes more damaging next year. 29 million euros sounds huge, but it is not huge compared to the alternative.
 
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SteveW said:
Today felt like Moyes v Fulham. It's blatantly obvious that this isn't the beginning of some turn around. It just delays a badly needed change.
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This. What game was this for LVG? I remember us having a game where the players expressed themselves and attacked at will under him but we reverted to type soon after. I don't expect us to start a game with the same attacking intensity we saw in the second half under Mourinho. For me its almost as if he just let them play how they want to. Maybe there was even a mini revolt in the dressing room at halftime
 
This is the perfect time to sack him with the international break coming up. At the end of the day, he hasn't done enough to stay on. It's not the odd game where the players play with pride that is going to change anything. I can't see this win being a catalyst for the future with the team turning it around. His line up was a shambles, his substitution screamed of panic, I think he was much more fortunate that it worked out rather than him engineering this comeback. The players still look clueless more often than not, right now De Gea and his favorite player ever, Pogba, is saving this team but I still don't see an identity, I still see an ever-changing starting XI, I still see very slow starts to the game, I still see defenders conceding tons of goals when that's where he's spent the bulk of his money recently. It's just not working and if they are gonna do it then either do it now or don't bring it up at all until the end of the season.
 
I loved the character showned, the players gave everything they had and got the 3 points. I reminded me the games against city and crystal palace of last season.

But being realistic being 0-2 at home against new castle at the 10th minute is a disgrace. Lets not get ahead of ourselves here, New Castle is one of the worst teams in the league. They are fighting for relegation.

Love the effort but its time to say goodbye to Jose, we are nowhere near enough, right now is the perfect time because of the international break and players with high spirit. Its better to have this game as memory of Mourinho last game rather than losing against chelsea, twice to juve and city.
 
Fergie would have been so obsessed to find the answer within the squad to the problems faced at the start of the season that he would have somehow turned Fellaini or Matic into a solid partner for one of Jones/Rojo/Smalling/Lindelof in the same way he played Carrick and Keane as makeshift center backs at times or promoted some kid like Johnny Evans or Wes Brown. Or like when he played O'Shea and Giggs in central midfield and ended up winning 10 games in a row or something with that combo.

Mourinho total opposite. 'If you don't give me another 200 million for 2 new center backs even though I promised I would not ask for more if you bought me Lindelof and Bailly then I will down tools and throw the tantrums'. The win was nice today but everything about Jose's demeanor since the start of the season smacks of a man who is only half-arsed about his tactics and job and can't be that bothered as he didn't get his way.

He'll be sacked after our next defeat unless he goes on some mad 10 game winning run which won't happen considering how disjointed and toxic things have been for a while.
 
I hate to say that I was wrong and Jose is right.
Our two CBs arw not good enough for us to attack so much.
 
The flip flopping in this poll is hilarious. So it’s all good now after we beat the barcodes? We’ll be back to where we were before this game after the break. He needs to go, toxic and incompetent.
 
Now is the perfect time for Jose to leave on a little high. I would be very disappointed if he is still manager for the upcoming run of games. I'd love to be facing Juventus with someone like Zidane in charge by then or even just Kieran McKenna.
 
I think he wants to leave but wait to get the sack because its full of money.
 
Of course Mou should stay. We need to back the manager. And hire a DoF instead and get a 10 year plan or something.

Then at the end of the season, the DoF can decide on Mou's status based on the results and the DoF's plan for the development of the team.

Please. No more knee jerking. No more back to square one nonsense. Do things with a long term plan in place.
 
Foxbatt said:
I hate to say that I was wrong and Jose is right.
Our two CBs arw not good enough for us to attack so much.
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Alternatively, you could say that none of the two centre-backs and the defensive midfielder he signed is good enough to provide a defensive platform for the team. Matic, his most trusted lieutenant, was the worst player on the pitch by some distance.
 
Foxbatt said:
I hate to say that I was wrong and Jose is right.
Our two CBs arw not good enough for us to attack so much.
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I don't get this. Having a shit defence is the more reason to attack. We almost always concede when we try to be defensive.
 
I think the board will have to have real courage to sack Jose now, due to the manner of the victory, the reaction of the crowd and Gaz’s rant against them. I don’t think they really have the bottle and conviction to follow through now from what we have seen of them before. Woodward will most likely let Jose manage the next couple of matches, fully knowing we might lose all of those and then his job becomes that much easier.
 
Adisa said:
I don't get this. Having a shit defence is the more reason to attack. We almost always concede when we try to be defensive.
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I think he means they are not good enough to play out from the back with, which they aren't.

When Pogba dropped deeper in the 2nd half it showed what we are missing from the back, somebody who can carry the ball forward and distribute it properly.

As it stands, Smalling and whoever else pass side-to-side. Until Pogba drops deep and takes the ball from them.-
 
He still needs to go. Yes a great comeback, the same comeback Vs Palace and City last year also.
We don't attack, he doesn't want us to, until absolutely necessary and then we actually look a good side.

We can blame having a bad defence, but that's even more reason to play to our strengths. Win the ball high, be aggressive and stop sitting deep putting pressure on our defence.
There is also a pair of CBs in our side that Mourinho bought.
One was subbed in 15 mins while the other sat on the bench while we tried to different midfielders there instead.

He threw McTominay in to that backline, a player not even good enough for the first team, yet played him out of position and looked worse than Lindleof and that's saying something.
He's pretty much thrown every player under the bus, even after winning yesterday, he just can't help himself.

29m to get rid of him, that's on Woodward. He gave him the extension, he put us in that position, so that's something we have to deal with.

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In all honesty though, I'm not really arsed, this season is a write off.
If we get rid of Jose I don't trust Ed to make the right move. Zidane is a panick / only option signing.
I honestly don't know if we have any footballing men in the club to make the calls when it comes to getting a manager. Ed is just a big name man.

We need to reevaluate from top to bottom before we do anything.
Ed does a good job on the commercial side, but we need a footballing brain running the football side of things.
Get in a DoF, get a plan in place then execute it.

This is priority number one.
 
I can't for the life of me see him going before the next game now. If we'd won 1 or 2-0 maybe, but to come back like we did, yeah they don't have the bottle to pull the trigger after a performance like that.
 
Adisa said:
I don't get this. Having a shit defence is the more reason to attack. We almost always concede when we try to be defensive.
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Agree with @Adisa here.

It's become quite clear that Jose can make a cracking counter attacking team if he has Ramos/Varane, Lucio/Samuel or Terry/Carvalho at the back, but if he doesn't, his tactics quite simply do not work for a top side. Better he finds another way to win/play until he gets the defence he requires to play his plan A and he seems unable to do this.
 
If I were in Ed Woodward’s position, I would do these 2 or 3 things. As a priority, get some help on the footballing side by appointing a DoF/technical committee/ football consultant or whatever you want to call the role that makes long term strategic decisions for the club on the footballing side.

With regards to Jose, the decision to keep him depends on the available alternatives and the mood/relationships between the players and the coaching staff. If we go by the second half against Newcastle, the players are still playing for Jose. What is actually going on only an insider within the club can tell.
In terms of alternatives, the only realistic option seems to be Zidane and I won’t trust Ed to have enough knowledge and competence to decide if Zidane is the right choice to rebuild the football team.
All in all, the best choice right now is to diffuse the situation, give public backing to Jose till end of the season and in the meantime prepare for the summer by lining up alternatives and putting in the right footballing structure.
 
As a manager he can't go all out attack and concede. The theowthr of the kitchen sink is when we are losing.
What made me happy was that we played with pace and moved the ball lot faster.
Also we put players in the box.
I would like to see Lukaku on the right and Sanchez in the centre and Martial on the left.
I don't know who replaces Matic but he needs to be replaced.
 
Irrespective of whether Joss stays or goes . We really need to make a CB signing in the winter transfer window . Our defense is shocking and Smalling is the only reliable option right now .
 
He needs to go. Hoped i would read he got the sack when i woke up, but no. He bought himself another 2 months with that win, thats how Woody rolls.
 
Ahsan_6386 said:
Irrespective of whether Joss stays or goes . We really need to make a CB signing in the winter transfer window . Our defense is shocking and Smalling is the only reliable option right now .
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This is what I don't get - this is the same defense as last season and we only conceded 28 goals one more than city. What's changed?
 
He's brought alittle time with that victory last night.1st absolutely flat but 2nd half he made all the right calls and they paid off handsomely.

Jose has to let our offensive players off the leash and he has to show a more positive demeanour.

Its like United are the Rebel Alliance being managed by Emperor Palpatine.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
So if we get a new CB in Jan will this make us play better?
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No need to buy, he is converting all the midfield players into CBs. What he did yesterday with McTominay - regardless of what your opinion of McTominay is - was ridiculous. Another young player thrown under the bus, he looked a bag of nerves when he moved back, he doesn't look at home in a back three, never mind playing in a CB partnership. Putting him back there for 25 minutes or so then hauling him off at HT ? Put things right in the second half, obviously, but what he did with McTominay was baffling.
United won yesterday in the end, it could be the first step toward becoming a force again, but it was a last gasp win at home against a team that hasn't won a game all season.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
This is what I don't get - this is the same defense as last season and we only conceded 28 goals one more than city. What's changed?
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It is quite obvious that we have been set up to attack more this season. The defence can’t cope with the loss of a midfield barrier.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
This is what I don't get - this is the same defense as last season and we only conceded 28 goals one more than city. What's changed?
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Jose's made it clear he doesn't rate them so their confidence/performances have dropped? That's got to be a big part of it, as does that Jose is trying to play a different way this year so the defence isn't as protected as it was, or maybe Faria was the one organising this, does seem a very odd argeument when we're just so terrible there with the same players.

You could argue we should be stronger with Shaw back in form, and also on an ideal world Bailly Lindelof would have progressed with experience.

I get the argument that we need another CB, but Jose has had two goes at it and both have seemingly failed, so who's to say he'd get it right next time, certainly not sure Maguire would have fit the bill.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Jose's made it clear he doesn't rate them so their confidence/performances have dropped? That's got to be a big part of it, as does that Jose is trying to play a different way this year so the defence isn't as protected as it was, or maybe Faria was the one organising this, does seem a very odd argeument when we're just so terrible there with the same players.

You could argue we should be stronger with Shaw back in form, and also on an ideal world Bailly Lindelof would have progressed with experience.

I get the argument that we need another CB, but Jose has had two goes at it and both have seemingly failed, so who's to say he'd get it right next time, certainly not sure Maguire would have fit the bill.
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I think that's exactly what it is, because there wasn't a massive issue last season. Don't get me wrong I know we need another CB but our current set should be playing much better than they are.
 
Jose's probably bought himself time till January. And expect us to be challenging for the top 4 places till then so he should be fine. I don't think he should be here but we don't have a say in that. Till the board pull the trigger hopefully we see the likes of Pogba and Martial making us bearable to watch.
 
ZAGREB RED said:
No need to buy, he is converting all the midfield players into CBs. What he did yesterday with McTominay - regardless of what your opinion of McTominay is - was ridiculous. Another young player thrown under the bus, he looked a bag of nerves when he moved back, he doesn't look at home in a back three, never mind playing in a CB partnership. Putting him back there for 25 minutes or so then hauling him off at HT ? Put things right in the second half, obviously, but what he did with McTominay was baffling.
United won yesterday in the end, it could be the first step toward becoming a force again, but it was a last gasp win at home against a team that hasn't won a game all season.
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He's been making absurd decisions all season. Herrera could have been used as a CM this season in light of Matic being dreadful and laboured. Instead he was chucked into the lion's den as a CB. Mctominay was just horrible yesterday in that position. He was pressing like a midfielder and taking uncessary (bad) touches. It's hard to blame these players. This is not their natural role. And the manager is being uncessarily experimental.
 
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