The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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Here is a genuine question from someone with an 'anti-Jose agenda' for those like @Rory 7 who continue to so passionately believe in what Jose is doing:

What exactly is the solution then? What does year 4 with Jose look like?

Get to the summer, sell every player Jose signed, sell the others like his new captian that he has isolated and fallen out with and just start over again?

Other than 'he needs time' 'its the players' or 'its Woodward' I honest to god (I'm genuinely not trolling) have no idea how those who still buy into in what Jose is selling think he fixes this mess.

I'd genuinely like to hear from the pro-Jose camp, I won't argue with the responses even if I disagree
Year 4 looks like Real Madrid 2011-2012.
 
For the life of me I just dont get the criticism of Ed Woodward? How is it his fault if the players Jose has brought in himself has failed?
Some of our fans are perhaps not puting their thinking cap.
Virtually all players brought in by Pep have been integrated into the team.
 
For the life of me I just dont get the criticism of Ed Woodward? How is it his fault if the players Jose has brought in himself has failed?
Some of our fans are perhaps not puting their thinking cap.
Virtually all players brought in by Pep have been integrated into the team.
 
Jose still needs to go. First half was LVG still sideways passing followed by panic in defense... totally deserved to be 2-0 down. Poor tactical choices have plagued Joses selections for the majority of games and his going on about the club is bigger than the player/manager etc followed by constant talk about himself, what he's won/achieved throughout his career contradicts him.

Im fed up with him.

On a plus note, i actually got quite emotional watching tonight, the last 20-25 minutes felt like a blast from the past, fergie-esque. Amazing end to the game. It felt like the players were actually playing for the club and not themselves or own agenda.

I don't think he will be sacked, not yet anyway. If he's gonna stay, tell the cnut to stop talking about himself and focus on the team/club.
 
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Jose still needs to go. First half was LVG still sideways passing followed by panic in defense... totally deserved to be 2-0 down. Poor tactical choices have plagued Joses selections for the majority of games and his going on about the club is bigger than the player/manager etc followed by constant talk about himself, what he's won/achieved throughout his career contradicts him.

Im fed up with him.

On a plus note, i actually got quite emotional watching tonight, the last 20-25 minutes felt like a blast from the past, fergie-esque. Amazing end to the game. It felt like the players were actually playing for the club and not themselves or own agenda.

I don't think he will be sacked, not yet anyway. If he's gonna stay, tell the cnut to stop talking about himself and focus on the team/club.
What if Jose gets them playing like that all the time? Still want him gone?
 
For the life of me I just dont get the criticism of Ed Woodward? How is it his fault if the players Jose has brought in himself has failed?
Some of our fans are perhaps not puting their thinking cap.
Virtually all players brought in by Pep have been integrated into the team.
Woodward’s getting hammered because he clearly didn’t back Jose in last summers transfer window.Jose was heavily backed for 2 summers and he should be getting more out of his squad,but Woodward failed Mourinho miserably last summer.So Both should cop the blame in my view...
 
After the game. Was it directed towards the Mirror's journalist or Woodward ? Guess it's between the 2 of them.

Ahhh I was under the impression he was talking to himself, kind of lamenting his good fortune after the players pulled out the win. But I'm hoping it was towards the journalist.

What if we do? What if the board saw enough today to give him until January?

I'm O.K. with it. I would like to see a new manager come in with a proper plan for the future. If things don't improve with Jose, sack him in January, keep an interim manager until the end of the season and take our time developing a proper long term plan for the future with the new manager. Then we can start fresh next season.

I know it's only October so let's not completely give up on the season. I'm interested to see if he can turn it around, but I'm also equally interested in how bad his implosion can get.
 
City bought -3,4 expensive defenders who all failed they replaced quick instead of pouting or blaming Guardiola.

Jose has been forced to shop at the bargain market and it hasn’t worked. Buy him Skriniar like he wanted regardless of price.
 
What if Jose gets them playing like that all the time? Still want him gone?


What dominant, aggressive Fergie era style football?

In that case we will have to worry about City sacking Pep and offering him half the land in the Middle East to take their job.

Possible? Sure. Probable? Meh you decide
 
One thing I'm certain about, if Potch was our manager, we'd have lost that game today.
From half time you're probably right. Jose took risks today with the 2nd half set up and it worked.

Question is whether Poch would have had us playing like that in the first half at all?
 
City bought -3,4 expensive defenders who all failed they replaced quick instead of pouting or blaming Guardiola.

Jose has been forced to shop at the bargain market and it hasn’t worked. Buy him Skriniar like he wanted regardless of price.
Bargain market? No white text?
 
City bought -3,4 expensive defenders who all failed they replaced quick instead of pouting or blaming Guardiola.

Jose has been forced to shop at the bargain market and it hasn’t worked. Buy him Skriniar like he wanted regardless of price.


Yea, Bailly and Lindeolf were practically given to us for free
 
City bought -3,4 expensive defenders who all failed they replaced quick instead of pouting or blaming Guardiola.

Jose has been forced to shop at the bargain market and it hasn’t worked. Buy him Skriniar like he wanted regardless of price.
We need to replace his sleeping midfielders too, that we bought for him as well, don’t you know? Also, going by his own assessment, we’re absolutely lacking technical players going forward, so we gotta replace the forward line as well.

Can’t just buy a couple of extra CBs and expect him to challenge for anything with the rest of the dross he’s brought in.
 
What if Jose gets them playing like that all the time? Still want him gone?
Yes, i never wanted him in charge of our club and this season has proved me right.
I think the players played for the club in the 2nd half, not jose nor themselves. Its tough but the way he has been, speaking about the players, poor choices and poor attitude doesnt help.
 
If anyone thinks we will start the next match as we played the last 20 minutes should think twice. The first half was as worse as it's ever been. Mourinho should still be sacked imo, still think we need someone new with a vision, identity, style, and a plan for the future, including a DOF.
 
What if we do? What if the board saw enough today to give him until January?

they'd be foolish. we are acting like salvaging a nightmarish result against newcastle somehow was us giving them a 5-0 drubbing with a masterclass performance from start to finish or something
 
People who are saying well Guardiola bought defenders then bought more and more, that's great, the thing is we don't have unlimited oil money and never will under the Glazers, we can't afford and they won't sanction the constant, oh we bought Bailly and Lindelof but they are shit buy another 2 next summer kind of attitude it just won't happen. This is why the signings need to be right.

They also don't explain the crap against West Ham or Derby. He still needs to go, celebrsting a miraculous come back against arguably the worst team in the league with nary a goal to their name should only serve to remind people of the absolutely rock bottom standards that have rocked up on this once great club as of late, and Mourinho's been doing a damn good job conning everyone into believing this team is pure garbage when it clearly isn't, today he got bailed out by Pogba and Martial and his favourites like McTominay let him down, Fred nowhere to be seen, Lindelof nowhere to be seen.
 
Can’t blame coach for being 0-2 down in 10 mins. All down to a certain center back
 


Weird comments. So Peter is saying he had to take McTominay off, but chose not to, but it was right

As a counter-point to Peter's point of view, I dont think it should take going 2-0 to the 2nd bottom team before he "does his job" and his changes werent right first time around.
 
Honestly tell me a coach who is available we honestly expect to do a better job
 
Why not? He still clearly wants it, he still clearly has the managerial ability, and who knows, maybe he'll actually get the players next window as we're not far off.
Wonder who is going to be prime Ronaldo in all that so his team can look like 11/12 RM.
 
Here is a genuine question from someone with an 'anti-Jose agenda' for those like @Rory 7 who continue to so passionately believe in what Jose is doing:

What exactly is the solution then? What does year 4 with Jose look like?

Get to the summer, sell every player Jose signed, sell the others like his new captian that he has isolated and fallen out with and just start over again?

Other than 'he needs time' 'its the players' or 'its Woodward' I honest to god (I'm genuinely not trolling) have no idea how those who still buy into in what Jose is selling think he fixes this mess.

I'd genuinely like to hear from the pro-Jose camp, I won't argue with the responses even if I disagree

Wouldn’t say I’m passionate but yeah, given the currently available managerial alternatives I’d give him some more time.

He’s obviously not happy with Bailly & Lindelof at the moment. Unusual for a manager with a generally good record of signing defenders. And if he has good defenders, he generally has a record of winning trophies. Point I made earlier was that it took 3 seasons under SAF before the Bruce-Pallister axis. In 2018, managers clearly don’t have the luxury of time, even with Jose’s previous record.

We know he is conservative by nature, but with what he considers to be a shaky defence maybe he is being a little more conservative than usual?

At the other end, I’m not convinced by Lukaku, but can’t blame Jose for that, we needed a striker and he was the best available along with Morata.

I’d give him the rest of this season and reassess things then unless things fall off a cliff.
 
I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am that people think this could be a turning point, it just seems so naive. We've had comebacks before, we had comebacks under Moyes for heavens sake.
 
Just hoping he told them at half time that's he's off win or lose, so they might as well at least try, he certainly said something to get their tails up, his supposed enemies been the ones to ignite it as well.
 
I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am that people think this could be a turning point, it just seems so naive. We've had comebacks before, we had comebacks under Moyes for heavens sake.

I'm one of those just enjoying a win because they've been pretty rare recently. That was only our 6th win in the last 15 games under Mourinho.

Like you i'm amazed anyone can think it'll actually be a significant win or a corner turned.
 
Honestly tell me a coach who is available we honestly expect to do a better job
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Wouldn’t say I’m passionate but yeah, given the currently available managerial alternatives I’d give him some more time.

He’s obviously not happy with Bailly & Lindelof at the moment. Unusual for a manager with a generally good record of signing defenders. And if he has good defenders, he generally has a record of winning trophies. Point I made earlier was that it took 3 seasons under SAF before the Bruce-Pallister axis. In 2018, managers clearly don’t have the luxury of time, even with Jose’s previous record.

We know he is conservative by nature, but with what he considers to be a shaky defence maybe he is being a little more conservative than usual?

At the other end, I’m not convinced by Lukaku, but can’t blame Jose for that, we needed a striker and he was the best available along with Morata.

I’d give him the rest of this season and reassess things then unless things fall off a cliff.


Cheers, I appreciate the response
 
Honestly tell me a coach who is available we honestly expect to do a better job

Maybe we should try going after a coach that isn't on the dole* for a change? Genuine response! Go for a coach that is currently successful, not one that was previously successful

*Or Everton
 
Honestly tell me a coach who is available we honestly expect to do a better job

It's more about the lift getting someone new in may have while the season isn't a complete write off

I don't want Jose to be sacked and found the end of the game and the win quite emotional because of that point but that being said as has been the norm now for 5 years all a good result does is paper over cracks
 
Still think he's done. We've got a shite run of fixtures coming, three games that will expose us again and in turn, put his job back In jeopardy. I dont see him being here next season, not one bit. What the 2nd half showed today was that while we're miles away from being a top team and a title contender, we are capable of doing better under a more attacking coach.
 
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