I honestly just don't see how he can possibly stay. I can't imagine the atmosphere getting any more negative than it already is - and Jose is doing everything he can to make it even worse.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Honestly for me, I think Mourinho has really let himself down at utd. This is a club that fully backs their manager based on their history, that gives full respect to the manager and has proven time and time again that they are willing to fund them. Its a club looking for the same stability that it had under sir alex, and I assumed due to this, Mourinho would take advantage of an opportunity he had never had before in his career, a club he could stay long term in and build an empire. Instead, he paid the board back by instigating fights with other managers and airing dirty laundry about the board to the media. The way man utd has historically been set up, you should not hear anything about Ed Woodward, just like David Gill, Peter Kenyon and Martin Edwards before him. They handled the money and showed up once in a while, but barely recieving a mention. But Jose would say "ask Ed, he's responsible for transfers". Jose is completely responsible for what is happening at the moment. Our defence was not this bad to end last season, all of a sudden he attacks the defence over the summer publicly, and now all of them seem even more incompetent than they ever seemed before, potentially due to failing confidence issues. I do not blame him for the Pogba issue as Pogba has been truly disrespectful to the club, or even the Martial or Shaw ones that happened prior, as these players were simply not meeting expectations or were clearly under-performing.
The truth is, Jose is and has been on borrowed time since he called out the board in the summer. There will be a change in the structure of the footballing side of the club, and clearly a new manager and technical director( who handles transfers) will be ushered in. We need a manager who will be willing to bring exciting football to the club, while maintaining peace with both the new technical director and the board. A manager who is willing to respect the conservative nature of the club and refrain from making headlines. Alot of people want to see a high profile manager come in and dictate things his way, but considering the past two managers we have hired, I actually want a British manager, one either from within or in the premier league like Eddie Howe, as they would not need to have the power that Fergie had previously due to the new technical director and can almost fully focus on the group and tactics( I'm really thinking NBA, Golden State and Steve Kerr here). The one good thing about Moyes was his clear respect for the club during his tenure, we need a manager that respects the values that go with being a manager of manchester united first and foremost.
Moyes would be in the final year of his 6 year contract by now. This could have been your year.
We've tough set of games coming up. I think he goes after those. I mean he couldn't even get the team to play against West Ham and no offence to them but well get smashed by Chelsea and Juve.
fecking hell, can you two take this conversation somewhere else? This thread is depressing enough already without having to listen to the two of you.
Why is that pal?
I always see mid season managerial appointments from the opposite side - as a club we’d probably write the season off and everything would be a bonus. For Zidane himself - he’d be pressure free with no real expectations.
How old are you? 12? Argument? I don’t argue with kids.
What are you on about?
It's been clear for a while now that Mourinho is not the right man to take us to the top. The main issue though, is that even if he is sacked what about the current crop of players? They've been awful well before Mourinho got here. Most of them don't even look like they want to be here! There has to be some sort of baseline level of being shite for the level of talent some of the players have, but they've been so bad it's hard to believe it's only down to a manager, even if we sack Mourinho I have a feeling we'll be in the same situation very soon.
I think it's time we got rid of all the ego's and start from the ground up, we need players who are hungry and want to play here, not players who are going to sulk when the going gets tough.
I think it's time we got rid of all the ego's and start from the ground up, we need players who are hungry and want to play here, not players who are going to sulk when the going gets tough.
Not sure how Mourinho out thread can be depressing.
I just think he would struggle coming in now in all the turmoil.
Jesus, read your post. You say "do better for the nonce" Do you not mean instead of the nonce? In your post is Jose the nonce? Because if he is why will an interim manager do better for Jose when Jose wouldn't be there?Bloody hell, Duncan...if Jose relegated us, you'd write that the table was upside-down.
We need players that will eat the ball.
I KNEW we were missing something!
I KNEW we were missing something!
This club is too big for him but it still doesnt explain the utter lack of organisation on the pitch and player selection. We need a complete clear out and another hundred million or 2 spent. I really hope Fred hasnt bought a house yet because he has done nothing to convince me he is a united player.
He's done. I don't think he's a bad manager, but you can't blame the players if you've had 3 years to sign players and this is all that you serve up.
It was absolutely dreadful watching that. Narrow, pedestrian, no movement at all. Aside from 2-3 players our squad is absolute garbage - and part of the blame fall sot Mourinho. He's had 3 years, it's over.
I think he wants to get sacked, too. He gets a big payout and I think he knows there's no future at United for him.
It was absolutely dreadful watching that. Narrow, pedestrian, no movement at all. Aside from 2-3 players our squad is absolute garbage - and part of the blame fall sot Mourinho. He's had 3 years, it's over.
I think he wants to get sacked, too. He gets a big payout and I think he knows there's no future at United for him.
Cheers for that insight.
Funny thing is that the how City is playing right now is exactly how LVG want us to play like City and new 3 centres back being introduced to PL under LVG so Conte use the system then all of sudden he just walked the league with 30 wins for the first time in the premier league history, more teams use 3 at back because of the system Conte step up. I can't blame LVG but he hasn't had much success in the transfer window.
Moye wanted top players with better passing and long-range passing like Thiago, Kroos, Fabregas, but he doesn't have the midfield he wants except the Carrick. Zidane plays a similar system to Moyes, crosses with fullbacks overlapping and let midfield control tempo of the match, Zidane wins 3 UCL in a row, the only difference is he had world class from attack to defence and Moyes only have world class attacking line, that's it. Moye and LVG had interior squad to Zidane and Pep's squad.
Jose's squad is million better than Moye and LVG yet he has worst start to the league than LVG and Moyes who played against Liverpool and other top rivals team in 7 games.
Got to earn his money from Jose to say these biased things
He'd have gotten an extension. Just like Sir Alex, we'd have already won the League cup, Fa Cup and a European cup (CL definitely) by today.
Can anyone truly say Giggs wouldnt have been a sensible option after seeing this mess? The board bottled it!!
Mourinho needs to go. He did some things wrong but it is more on players than on him. This player power in top clubs is something ridiculous. When players don't want manager they stop playing.
Chelsea players with Conte and Mourinho. Real with Mourinho and Benitez. Bayern with Ancelotti. Barca with Martino. Croatia players did that with last two managers( one of them is Niko Kovac).
It must stop. That is why i respect Bayern. When they sacked Ancelotti they said that this time they will do it( and they admit how they are doing mistake) but that is last time. Next time players will go.
Chelsea players with Conte and Mourinho. Real with Mourinho and Benitez. Bayern with Ancelotti. Barca with Martino. Croatia players did that with last two managers( one of them is Niko Kovac).
It must stop. That is why i respect Bayern. When they sacked Ancelotti they said that this time they will do it( and they admit how they are doing mistake) but that is last time. Next time players will go.
I see the yes vote is slowly creeping up the way. I bet city and Liverpool fans are loving the circus around the club. Jose needs to go, trying to prove a point to Woodward by playing mctominay in defence because he wasn’t backed isn’t the way to go about things. Then to alienate half the squad by leaving them out of the team completely, then to criticise martial even though he produced more in one game than Sanchez has this season, joke.
Wait why should pogba take responsibility he didn't setup the team to have no attack, he didn't put a cm in cb he didn't tell the team to sit back and watch West ham play. What responsibility should he take?
The bottom line is, Jose Mourino is outdated and doesn't want to adapt his tactics to modern football. His methods are prehistoric.
Even the adament pro-Jose fan wouldn't be able to argue against that.
Even the adament pro-Jose fan wouldn't be able to argue against that.
I know I will be ridiculed as I was when I suggested to buy young and pacey players from epl likes of mane, robertson, mahrej, dembele, and so many others when they were playing for smaller clubs. So many fellow members used to say that they are not good enough for us. Our biggest problem during last few years is not buying better players from epl while letting our biggest rival have them and now we are seeing the consequences. Also weusy have an attack minded manager to match our ambitions. The manager I would like to bring to OT is Brendan rodgers. He almost won the league for Liverpool and they were playing fast attacking football. I am pretty sure he will be very good fit for us. But as always people will laugh at it.
If the board members & Ed fail to sack him before the next game that would be total negligence and complete disrespect towards the fans.
Apparently so, there's one in here on a WUM, as per.
Well we have Luke Shaw.
At this point, it really is gross negligence from the board to not sack this man. A mid table club would have got rid by now when you put together the results, football being played and the baggage he brings with him.
Turmoil is primarily around Jose though. Think a new manager would totally change atmosphere around the club.
It also gives the new coach a chance to work with players and see who he rates and who doesn't suit however he wants to play. Plenty of upsides to getting someone in mid season
Always has been. Signed up as B18 to a United forum, obviously as a WUM. That backfired. Let them enjoy themselves while they can, we'll be back.
Exactly. Keeping Wenger made more sense as he at least had the credit with Arsenal. We're acting like we owe him something, like we're lucky to have him. It's absurd.
At the time of writing, we're TENTH. Jeez...
Aye, nothing good ever comes to Liverpool when the Scousers gloat, I'll never forget Crystanbul and Barney's eventual meltdown.
It is not easy to do so, as much as I'd love that to happen, think we sadly need another two, three bad results. Jose is a manager superstar, strong personality, that's on one hand, on second, there has to be a plan how to replace Mourinho. I am sure they had a thought about it already. I think the most sensible would be not to jump the gun and give Carrick and McKenna run till the end of season, it cannot be less organized and fecked up, just give them a chance, players are not bad at all, just need some confidence positivity, attacking football, ditch old tactics, let players enjoy themselves. At the end of the season we might be talking to Pochettino or Zidane or there might be other options available, you never know. Shame the best managers I'd want for the brand of football they play are now at our worst enemy teams Liverpool, City, and Leeds. God I'd love Bielsa to put this team into shape
A point for every goal we've scored
He doesn’t want us to outplay midtable teams at football and keeps banging on some mystical fight. I guess it makes sense from his perspective given his inability to mould us into anything that resembles a football side.
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