If i see one decent performance only fecking one ffs I would keep my vote at no but now no chance. He lost it big time. Sack now.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Is there a rift in the dressing room? I think that he is useless himself and drags the dressing room in his own fall.
Can't believe he wasted the whole week working on that line up and tactical approach, which basically gets made redundant once they concede early.
I like Jose but team doesn't look it knows what way it's meant to play or line up, and don't even look like they are playing for him anymore.
Im fed up with pogba as well, and too many players that aren't performing, they should take a redner. the best solution at this stage is for the manager to leave as it's just going to get worse and he's never really shown at any club he can turn it around when goes tits up like it is now. Bad state of affairs when player power wins this battle.
Need to bring some positivity back to the club. Let the players play and enjoy their football again, but whoever the manager that is going to bring this back I honestly haven't a clue.
I like Jose but team doesn't look it knows what way it's meant to play or line up, and don't even look like they are playing for him anymore.
Im fed up with pogba as well, and too many players that aren't performing, they should take a redner. the best solution at this stage is for the manager to leave as it's just going to get worse and he's never really shown at any club he can turn it around when goes tits up like it is now. Bad state of affairs when player power wins this battle.
Need to bring some positivity back to the club. Let the players play and enjoy their football again, but whoever the manager that is going to bring this back I honestly haven't a clue.
It was supposed to be that actually, it was a typo
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Actually if he gets the sack i'll happily keep it.Rio confirmed it on BT.
It took SAF 6 years to win the title. If the internet had been around back then, he probably would have been out after 3.
Dressing room is turning toxic, that's as clear as day. And i always said he was the wrong man at the wrong time, but feck me those players are an absolute disgrace and i would be happy to see the back of most of them and not just Jose. Our club is fecked and a total abomination since Ferguson retired.
I liked LvG the personality. He brought some cheery moments.
I also maintain that the best games under LvG were better to watch than the best games under Mourinho.
Ok, enough of this. Time for him to leave.
I've been over him for a while but get him out asap before he drags the entire club down with him any further.
Cant change now, but gone from the bottom option to YES.
I think he is a quality manager, and I think the results so far are "unlucky".
If this form persists for a few more weeks I'm willing to admit that this is far more than variation. However I think the mindset of "fire him and then deal with it" is misguided and the reason why us fans shouldn't be involved in club management. I'd be willing to see him go as part of a wider strategy.
Fair enough, what is the cause of the rift?
This was repeated constantly in Moyes and LVG's tenure too...
There is no case for him to stay. Mourinho's fate was sealed even before a ball is kicked by not backing him in the summer window and it's only a matter of time before the inevitable. Today showed he lost support of his players. If this was last season, we'd be fighting until we turn the game around like away at Palace and City but this time the players don't look bothered. Lindelof storming to the tunnel sums it up.
I wonder how far we go down before Woodward notice something isn't right?
I wonder how far we go down before Woodward notice something isn't right?
I really cant blame him for everything. He's used too work with 'men' like Zlatan, Lampard and Terry etc... now all he's got is a bunch of millennial pussies.
Madrid also fecked him up somehow.
Madrid also fecked him up somehow.
This 3 year thing with Mourinho is a thing, not always a thing, but a thing nonetheless.
I have a feeling that he brings a freshness to a squad, who clearly know his winning reputation, his management class, and they react positively, and quickly to his obviously advanced training methods.
Over a short period of time, the movement forward is there, his teams concede less, and lose less, and become consistent at home. His teams are big, strong, powerful and athletic, and whilst not dynamic, there’s something sure and methodical about his teams pattern of play. They know how to win.
The plaudits come in, and everything is rosy.
Over time, the methods don’t appear to change, and remain the same, but the end destination, is suddenly less clear, and players become wary of the methodical style of play.
‘Where are we getting to, what is our brand, if you watched this team play, do we have something instantly recognisable about us?’ His players might ask..
Players, all of a sudden want more, and want to play a more expansive style.
Mourinho, an intelligent guy senses this and uses ideas from his tool box to draw a reaction, but more often than not, his reaction drawing antics either work or don’t work, but if they do work, it’s a short term fix. Players get bored of it, see through it, and remember it, and many don’t like it.
Over time, the rhetoric gets boring. If you add strong characters like, Pogba, Hazard, and others in the mix, you get fireworks, a broken dressing room, and a drop in performance, and ultimately the sack.
I’d say this is where UTD are now. I’m surprised how quickly the drop has come if I’m honest, but if you tell people in pre season not to watch the team play and “save their money”, you’re not endearing your young players to feel valued. If you constantly fight your vice captain, then that’s an issue.
If you slate players like Shaw numberous times in public, despite the poor sod enduring an horrific injury, then others may not like it.
If you do all this, after slating a professional medic for doing her job in public, because one of your players in blue is feigning injury, or you poke a man in the eye, who has just recovered from Cancer, who then later dies of the same disease, then it snowballs and people remember.
If you then clap your fans at close quarters for the first time, in a conceited way, knowing the cameras are firmly on you, then you’re just not authentic.
I can see this ending one way, and it looks like a challenging season until someone makes that decision.
I have a feeling that he brings a freshness to a squad, who clearly know his winning reputation, his management class, and they react positively, and quickly to his obviously advanced training methods.
Over a short period of time, the movement forward is there, his teams concede less, and lose less, and become consistent at home. His teams are big, strong, powerful and athletic, and whilst not dynamic, there’s something sure and methodical about his teams pattern of play. They know how to win.
The plaudits come in, and everything is rosy.
Over time, the methods don’t appear to change, and remain the same, but the end destination, is suddenly less clear, and players become wary of the methodical style of play.
‘Where are we getting to, what is our brand, if you watched this team play, do we have something instantly recognisable about us?’ His players might ask..
Players, all of a sudden want more, and want to play a more expansive style.
Mourinho, an intelligent guy senses this and uses ideas from his tool box to draw a reaction, but more often than not, his reaction drawing antics either work or don’t work, but if they do work, it’s a short term fix. Players get bored of it, see through it, and remember it, and many don’t like it.
Over time, the rhetoric gets boring. If you add strong characters like, Pogba, Hazard, and others in the mix, you get fireworks, a broken dressing room, and a drop in performance, and ultimately the sack.
I’d say this is where UTD are now. I’m surprised how quickly the drop has come if I’m honest, but if you tell people in pre season not to watch the team play and “save their money”, you’re not endearing your young players to feel valued. If you constantly fight your vice captain, then that’s an issue.
If you slate players like Shaw numberous times in public, despite the poor sod enduring an horrific injury, then others may not like it.
If you do all this, after slating a professional medic for doing her job in public, because one of your players in blue is feigning injury, or you poke a man in the eye, who has just recovered from Cancer, who then later dies of the same disease, then it snowballs and people remember.
If you then clap your fans at close quarters for the first time, in a conceited way, knowing the cameras are firmly on you, then you’re just not authentic.
I can see this ending one way, and it looks like a challenging season until someone makes that decision.
I don't think LVG would have allowed things to get this bad.
Enough of these tactical wankers, and let's get back to some attacking entertainment.
Enough of these tactical wankers, and let's get back to some attacking entertainment.
I'm sure everyone can agree that Jose isn't a long term solution, and as it's not working in the shirt term, then why hang about. Get rid.
The poll should be restarted
And it was clear as the day since the first moment, unfortunately.
People at the helm of the club are football ignorants and I don't trust them to make good decisions, but sacking Mourinho is non-negotiable if we want to find a solution.
Then we'll see if they're right or wrong with the remedy. With them it's just a matter of luck, like playing the lottery, but at least we have the chance to win it. With Jose in charge we're going nowhere. It never made sense.
Unlucky in what sense ? Which result is down to a lack of luck ?
That is just not acceptable as a reason.
The only fortune he's had with us is getting a contract extension.
That much is unclear. Probably players being thrown under the bus constantly. I know which camp I'd be in.
2016. Mathew Syed bang on as usual.
The Times - José Mourinho is a cultural terrorist who is too immature to create a dynasty
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/football/article4576052.ece
The Times - José Mourinho is a cultural terrorist who is too immature to create a dynasty
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/football/article4576052.ece
I said point me to the performances. Show me the form which makes him better than all of those. Don't just reel out statements as if they are fact. He's 25, been professional for almost a decade, has played for two European giants. You should have plenty of evidence. All all this guff about him 'leading' France to the World Cup needs to stop. He was nowhere near their best player, much less the best in the tournament. Interestingly, it was Modric, a player who according to you is clearly inferior to Pogba, who took that accolade.
Why it's always that Jose loses the dressing room and players are revolting against him? With other managers, it's always the manager at fault but not when it comes to Jose. He's just not good enough anymore and his teams play rubbish football. He's a dinosaur nothing more.
Unlucky from a probability sense. I don't think recent results are a reflection of the quality in the squad or of the managing staff.
Now obviously if this run persists I'd have to revise that hypothesis. I'm not there yet. I'm getting closer though.
How is he unlucky? Have you watched us play? This is some of the worst football I’ve ever seen in the history of the game, and Jose is directly responsible for it.
Ive supported Mourinho but this season has disaster written all over it, but its not just Mourinho who should be replaced, Ed Woodward should go too, even Martin Edwards was a better C/E than him. But before they get their cards, Paul Pogba should be shown the door first to show everybody that no player is bigger than the Club. Zinedane Zidane apparently wants to manage United so we should snap him up asap in case he gets another offer; Im not saying Zidane is the best manager around but hes certainly the best available. I doubt if Zidane will be able to finish in the top 2, but we'll certainly be more entertaining, and more importantly, more United. If all this happens in the next few weeks, or sooner, I might just begin to enjoy watching us again, and start looking forward to better things to come.....but if we carry on as we are, things will only get worse.
Don't let him fool you. It's a con.
Fergie took over a completely different Manchester United. Jose has spent an absolute feck load of cash, our football is dire and we're no closer to winning the league now than we were when he first came into the club.
Get rid of the guy and never compare him to the great man again.
Can any of the admins lock this thread already?
The Mourinho OUT thread is that way.
I thought we were unlucky to be 0-2 down, but we deserved to lose by the end of the game. Created virtually nothing despite needing a goal all match and allowed Noble to play Arnautovic in for a sitter.
Fergie wasn't an antagonistic bastard though.
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