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I gave 2, 3 and 5 to Lawler. But that 5th round sheesh!!! Slug fest central. Rematch would be the way forward for me. Woodley would be a deserving guy as well.
 
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What a fight! Definite rematch on the cards there. Think Condit should have won it but then the last round may have swayed it towards Robbie. And excellent gentlemanly conduct by both of them.
 
Thought Condit just nicked it, but can't really be upset at the decision what with how round five played out. Fcuking immense!
 
What a fight!

Condit needed a strong finish to make it "legit".

I think he won the fight, but not clearly enough to deserve the champion spot yet. He won the rematch no doubt.
 
Rick88 said:
What a fight! Definite rematch on the cards there. Think Condit should have won it but then the last round may have swayed it towards Robbie. And excellent gentlemanly conduct by both of them.
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Dunno about a rematch. Condit seems like he's ready to retire from the sport.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Dunno about a rematch. Condit seems like he's ready to retire from the sport.
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I don't think he will retire. He will just need a holiday

Looking at an interview with him with Helwani he seems genuinely sad and pissed off post fight, whereas immediately after in the ring he seemed to take it very well

I reckon it was more an emotional response when he suggested retirement
 
Randall Flagg said:
I don't think he will retire. He will just need a holiday

Looking at an interview with him with Helwani he seems genuinely sad and pissed off post fight, whereas immediately after in the ring he seemed to take it very well

I reckon it was more an emotional response when he suggested retirement
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Apparently not. I saw a post fight one with Dana too where he said he knew about his plans prior to this fight.

Who knows though, the closeness of this one might motivate him to have one more crack. I reckon if he's offered the rematch he might take it but will call it a day if not.
 
Shocking decision. Condit won it 4-1 for me and 3-2 at the least. To give that fight to Lawler is up there with a boxing score card.
 
I though Lawler needed a KO to win add for me Condit was up 3-1 at that point so was really surprised, then I remembered Gus vs. Bones and realised that judges sit there and play Tetris then randomly give out a score.

I like both guys though but am worried for Lawler, I fear he will soon turn into a cabbage with the amount of punishment he takes. I can see him losing the belt very soon.

He was quite lucky against Rory and again now, he doesn't look a class above the rest in his division as fighters like RDA or DJ do. He just gets by because he was great will power and a good chin, but that can desert him at any time as JDS can attest to.
 
I think it's fair to say Lawlor is barely hanging on in there as champ

It was even a razor close decision when he won the belt

And was behind on the scorecard against Rory, until he got finished in the 5th

Would like to see what Woodley can do....or if GSP returns he may as well gift wrap it
 
Poor decision for me and Lawler can once again thank his chin for being champion. He landed a few big shots but Condit clearly outclassed him for much of the fight. Someone is going to capitalise and truly brutalise him sooner rather than later.

What made it even weirder is that they earlier gave Tumenov the decision in a much closer "volume vs. power" fight. The inconsistency/sheer randomness of some of the judging really bothers me at times.

Now look forward to Cruz vs Dillashaw which should make for a good fight. My only worry is that Cruz has fought just once (one round) in the last four years so feck knows what he is actually going to bring to the party.
 
Had it as 3-2 to Condit but it was still a ridiculously close fight. Lawler was unlucky not to finish him in the 5th, Condit looked out on his feet at one stage and on another day in a fight that wasn't for the title there's every chance the referee stops that. Incredible 5th round between two absolute warriors though.

You could argue that's the second time Lawler has wrongly got a decision in his favor but I'd be lying if I said I haven't loved him as champion. He's going to end up an absolute mess at this rate which is worrying but feck me the fights are incredible. I'd quite like to see Lawler/Hendricks again and more so than Lawler/Woodley in all honesty.
 
JP77 said:
Lawler was unlucky not to finish him in the 5th, Condit looked out on his feet at one stage and on another day in a fight that wasn't for the title there's every chance the referee stops that.
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I must say in the post fight interview I saw I felt worried for him. He kept blinking and screwing his face up. Obvious signs of concussion.
 
3-2 for Condit for me. The sheer volume of his strikes surely should've resulted in a unanimous decision for him. Lawler, unfortunately, seemed to score a lot of points because of the power of his shots and when he occasionally connected, it seemed to impress the judges more than Condit consistently pecking away at Lawler with a impressively diverse variety of strikes.

Disappointed in the Arlovski fight. I think Miocic will get hammered by either Cain or Werdum.
 
Lawler is the Homer Simpson of the UFC, he's been hit more than any other... He'll be punch drunk soon and I agree with those who don't see him holding the belt too much longer. His fights are entertaining but he can't keep on like that.
 
Condit was robbed blind. It's a shame as it was a good fight and I like both guys but a decision like that leaves a sour taste. It was a pretty clear 48-47 for Condit in my opinion, I just don't see any way that Robbie won a 3rd round. 1,3,4 Condit.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
That was pretty bad from Duffy. Looked good on the feet but takedown defense was non-existent and on the ground he got punished. Nearly stole it with a triangle towards the end.
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Duffy has only fought nobodies. His first world class fighter (I wouldn't call McGregor a world class fighter fighter back then) and he got well and truly beaten.
 
I've been back and watched the 3rd round again and still can not see how Condit clearly won that round. The first 2 minutes of the round, Lawler landed the more significant punches and had a nice elbow that stopped Condit in his tracks, Condit had a nice jumping knee to the body but Lawler still pressed forward. The next 2 minutes was Condit attempting a lot of punches that never landed, he landed some nice leg kicks and a lot of attempted kicks to keep Lawler coming forward as much. But again they weren't landing clean as Lawler was always out of range and usually going backwards or sideways when they were landing. The last minute Condit had a bit more successs but nothing that made me think it was better than what Lawler had done in the first 2 minutes of the round.

People saying it was clear or it was robbery are insane, it was far from it. Maybe if it was on volume alone then Condit would have wn the fight but just because you are throwing a lot of stuff it doesn't mean you are landing anything amazing. It was a very close fight and ultimately it was the fifth round that decided it and this is when Lawler showed up and poured it on, you do feel for Condit because it was a close fight but ultimately he was pipped in the fifth round.

Lawler is a deserving champion always brings it and keeps it going until the last bell. The welterweight title fights wouldn't be half as exciting if he was not in the last few title fights so some of the criticism of him is poor.
 
shabz said:
I've been back and watched the 3rd round again and still can not see how Condit clearly won that round. The first 2 minutes of the round, Lawler landed the more significant punches and had a nice elbow that stopped Condit in his tracks, Condit had a nice jumping knee to the body but Lawler still pressed forward. The next 2 minutes was Condit attempting a lot of punches that never landed, he landed some nice leg kicks and a lot of attempted kicks to keep Lawler coming forward as much. But again they weren't landing clean as Lawler was always out of range and usually going backwards or sideways when they were landing. The last minute Condit had a bit more successs but nothing that made me think it was better than what Lawler had done in the first 2 minutes of the round.

People saying it was clear or it was robbery are insane, it was far from it. Maybe if it was on volume alone then Condit would have wn the fight but just because you are throwing a lot of stuff it doesn't mean you are landing anything amazing. It was a very close fight and ultimately it was the fifth round that decided it and this is when Lawler showed up and poured it on, you do feel for Condit because it was a close fight but ultimately he was pipped in the fifth round.

Lawler is a deserving champion always brings it and keeps it going until the last bell. The welterweight title fights wouldn't be half as exciting if he was not in the last few title fights so some of the criticism of him is poor.
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Not saying it was robbery, but the disparity of significant strikes between the two was massive. Obviously Lawler's strikes seemed more spectacular whereas Condit was consistently chipping away at him, but there were far more shots landed from Condit's side than Lawler's which should've given him a 3-2 round advantage.
 
I had Condit winning that fight, but it was so close that it could have gone either way. Make that rematch happen and the winner gets Woodley. I can't see Lawler holding on to that belt for those 2 fights.
 
I think there is a strong case to be made for the 2nd round being even.

I'm just going by memory, haven't re-watched it, but Robbie threw I think three combinations that had punches landing in the entire round. He landed like 8-10 strikes the entire round and about half of them were part of the knock down sequence.

Robbie had about 18 seconds in the second round where he was "winning". Carlos on the other hand landed about 2x as many strikes, and controlled the vast majority of the round before and after the knock down. How do you score a round where one guy barely throws anything but gets a knock down, but the other guy isn't hurt. While the other guy out throws, out lands and controls pretty much every other aspect of the round? I also don't really think this is a case where one guy throws with power and the other guy doesn't. It's more, one guy throws with more power, and the other guy is also throwing and landing some power shots.

Lot of this controversy would be solved if we started seeing more even rounds. Hell a case can be made for the third round being even as well. If nobody shows clear dominance in a round call it even, or if there are offsetting examples of dominance IE a knock down, but losing the round otherwise, call it even.

If you follow that principle.

Condit wins 1 and 4
Lawler wins 5.
2 and 3 are even.

As it stands, I had it.

Condit 1,3 4.
Lawler 5.
2 Even (but I knew they would give it to Lawler cause they never give even rounds it seems like)

So I scored it 3-1-1 Condit, but expected 3-2 Condit.
 
shabz said:
I've been back and watched the 3rd round again and still can not see how Condit clearly won that round. The first 2 minutes of the round, Lawler landed the more significant punches and had a nice elbow that stopped Condit in his tracks, Condit had a nice jumping knee to the body but Lawler still pressed forward. The next 2 minutes was Condit attempting a lot of punches that never landed, he landed some nice leg kicks and a lot of attempted kicks to keep Lawler coming forward as much. But again they weren't landing clean as Lawler was always out of range and usually going backwards or sideways when they were landing. The last minute Condit had a bit more successs but nothing that made me think it was better than what Lawler had done in the first 2 minutes of the round.

People saying it was clear or it was robbery are insane, it was far from it. Maybe if it was on volume alone then Condit would have wn the fight but just because you are throwing a lot of stuff it doesn't mean you are landing anything amazing. It was a very close fight and ultimately it was the fifth round that decided it and this is when Lawler showed up and poured it on, you do feel for Condit because it was a close fight but ultimately he was pipped in the fifth round.

Lawler is a deserving champion always brings it and keeps it going until the last bell. The welterweight title fights wouldn't be half as exciting if he was not in the last few title fights so some of the criticism of him is poor.
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It's disingenuous to suggest Condit wasn't throwing with power. He was, I'd guess if you actually checked, Condit threw at least 2x as many actual power shots. Both fighters were economic with their striking. Carlos threw a lot of measuring fluff strikes, but he mixed in a lot of power shots. Robbie on the other hand didn't throw much at all, but when he did it was with bad intention. So both guys threw their power shots, but one guy saved energy by throwing only power shots and the other guy mixed up his power shots with lots of measuring shots.
 
Nucks said:
It's disingenuous to suggest Condit wasn't throwing with power. He was, I'd guess if you actually checked, Condit threw at least 2x as many actual power shots. Both fighters were economic with their striking. Carlos threw a lot of measuring fluff strikes, but he mixed in a lot of power shots. Robbie on the other hand didn't throw much at all, but when he did it was with bad intention. So both guys threw their power shots, but one guy saved energy by throwing only power shots and the other guy mixed up his power shots with lots of measuring shots.
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I never said Condit wasn't throwing with power. I said he wasn't landing anything amazing in that 3rd round. All his power shots might have come in the more clear cut rounds of 1 and 4.

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So you guys are telling me Condit threw 502 significant strikes out of 504 in total? And that only 2 of the strikes he landed were not significant?
 
I'd have to go back and watch it again I guess. Just watching it live I thought the third round was in no doubt and the closest round was actually the 2nd that could arguably be given to Condit. Perhaps robbery is too far but to me and 80% of the media and fans watching it seemed like it wasn't really a hard fight to score. Tumenov - Larkin was a hard fight to score and an understandable split decision. On initial viewing this seemed pretty clear. After all there's a reason Lawler came out all guns blazing in the last round, it's because he thought he needed a finish.

Might change my mind after a rewatch.
 
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