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Problem is cutting and going down is much better than trying to go up if you're not a natural heavier man. Holloway may have made weight, but it is patently obvious the two of them were in different weight classes and it really told in the fight.

Max's body type does not lend itself to weight gain to naturalise him at 155, and if he's going to go up, he's going to have to stay there and put the pounds on the laborious way. At his age, with his style, it's not worth the effort. A year to go up and be a proper 155lb fighter is too costly, especially when there's no guarantee he takes his advantages with him. Dustin isn't the only one at 155 that hits hard and that damage exchange is always going to be a bad return for Max.

He gave it a shot, fought admirably, and can go back to his own division with his head held high.
On the weight gain I’m not sure I agree with this as he out of fight camp walks about around 170lbs. To me it just looks like he hasn’t really tried to put on any muscle for the division and just dieted down to 155, not so much a cut where as Poirer says it’s now a struggle for him to make 155 and he did look absolutely massive compared to Max.

He didn’t seem to have that much if any of an advantage the times they clinched up but no doubt the power difference was clear as every time he touched Max he reacted. Max still did manage to hurt Poirer once in the first round as well that had Poirer backing off.

Personally I think 155 is maxes natural division but like him at 145 it’s ruled by guys who can only just make the cut to 155 so if he wants to stay there he needs to add a bit of muscle and power to himself. I think he’d still merk a lot of guys in that division because really at 145 what is there left for him.

Adesanya talking more about Jones. To de honest i’d Like to see this purely as a striking exchange because if wrestling gets involved then Jones will walk it. Adesanya even said in a purely striking match he would mess Jon Jones up.
 
On the weight gain I’m not sure I agree with this as he out of fight camp walks about around 170lbs. To me it just looks like he hasn’t really tried to put on any muscle for the division and just dieted down to 155, not so much a cut where as Poirer says it’s now a struggle for him to make 155 and he did look absolutely massive compared to Max.

He didn’t seem to have that much if any of an advantage the times they clinched up but no doubt the power difference was clear as every time he touched Max he reacted. Max still did manage to hurt Poirer once in the first round as well that had Poirer backing off.

Personally I think 155 is maxes natural division but like him at 145 it’s ruled by guys who can only just make the cut to 155 so if he wants to stay there he needs to add a bit of muscle and power to himself. I think he’d still merk a lot of guys in that division because really at 145 what is there left for him.

Adesanya talking more about Jones. To de honest i’d Like to see this purely as a striking exchange because if wrestling gets involved then Jones will walk it. Adesanya even said in a purely striking match he would mess Jon Jones up.
But you have to then factor in how much those who are cutting to make 155 are walking around at, and what they're then coming into the ring weighing. There's just a huge difference between temping a weight division and your body and frame being naturalised in it, which is why Max looked so small in there, and that, allied to Dustin being a big 155, made it look even more extreme. What was then sad is that it wasn't an outright contesting of skill because the power difference was just too vast. Max really put some work in and showed his heart and ability, but the shots he was receiving just did too much disruptive damage and impeded his gameplan something chronic. In the end, he said fck it and went in on his shield, but if he were natrualised, I don't think he has to do that as his own shots would warrant more respect and the volume would not just stumble the opponent but make him unable to return fire, as we see so often at 145. In this fight, the punches bothered Dustin, but he still could absorb, load up, and fire back something that killed all momentum because of the weight differential - that wouldn't have happened at 145, imo.

I think for his body type and level of cardio, adding bona fide mass and becoming a proper 155 would just take way too long for it to be viable. If he wanted to keep his volume up he can't shortcut the process. It just makes no sense to me for him to put himself through all of that at the age he is, unless he truly wants to go up and stay in the 155 division for the rest of his career. There are no guarantees he will have the same effective, impactful style against bigger guys, which makes it even more of a risk to go up.

re. Adesanya and Jones. Jones' boxing is still not very good and probably never will be, but his 8-point striking is better than Adesanya's without the need for all the flash. Jones' knees, elbows and reductive strikes to the knees and vulnerable points of the torso, plus his calculative volume of them show a strike intelligence and planning that I've not seen from Adesanya - I haven't seen Adesanya work on a point of the body relentlessly and then switch it up as the opponent becomes wary, which is bread and butter with Jones.

It's interesting if you remove grappling and wrestling because it opens up the hands a lot more, and Adesanya is a better puncher than Jones, unquestionably imo, and that's where he could find joy if he can stop Jones hyper-extending his knees on the way into range. Ultimately, I'm still not convinced Adesanya is the same kind of on-the-up-talent as we've seen from Jones - nothing he does is prodigious, is what I'm really getting at although it is fun and exciting to watch and displays a high level of technical ability. Jones deconstructs opponents cerebrally until they've got nothing left to try, and he rarely gets hit in the process of doing so. Of course his wrestling base is a huge factor in why he can be so brazen, and without it, you are talking about a very different kind of fight, but I'd still favour Jones over Adesanya in a pure strike contest because of the intent behind his strikes and the planning he would put in place within a couple of rounds of fight time.
 
But you have to then factor in how much those who are cutting to make 155 are walking around at, and what they're then coming into the ring weighing. There's just a huge difference between temping a weight division and your body and frame being naturalised in it, which is why Max looked so small in there, and that, allied to Dustin being a big 155, made it look even more extreme. What was then sad is that it wasn't an outright contesting of skill because the power difference was just too vast. Max really put some work in and showed his heart and ability, but the shots he was receiving just did too much disruptive damage and impeded his gameplan something chronic. In the end, he said fck it and went in on his shield, but if he were natrualised, I don't think he has to do that as his own shots would warrant more respect and the volume would not just stumble the opponent but make him unable to return fire, as we see so often at 145. In this fight, the punches bothered Dustin, but he still could absorb, load up, and fire back something that killed all momentum because of the weight differential - that wouldn't have happened at 145, imo.

I think for his body type and level of cardio, adding bona fide mass and becoming a proper 155 would just take way too long for it to be viable. If he wanted to keep his volume up he can't shortcut the process. It just makes no sense to me for him to put himself through all of that at the age he is, unless he truly wants to go up and stay in the 155 division for the rest of his career. There are no guarantees he will have the same effective, impactful style against bigger guys, which makes it even more of a risk to go up.

re. Adesanya and Jones. Jones' boxing is still not very good and probably never will be, but his 8-point striking is better than Adesanya's without the need for all the flash. Jones' knees, elbows and reductive strikes to the knees and vulnerable points of the torso, plus his calculative volume of them show a strike intelligence and planning that I've not seen from Adesanya - I haven't seen Adesanya work on a point of the body relentlessly and then switch it up as the opponent becomes wary, which is bread and butter with Jones.

It's interesting if you remove grappling and wrestling because it opens up the hands a lot more, and Adesanya is a better puncher than Jones, unquestionably imo, and that's where he could find joy if he can stop Jones hyper-extending his knees on the way into range. Ultimately, I'm still not convinced Adesanya is the same kind of on-the-up-talent as we've seen from Jones - nothing he does is prodigious, is what I'm really getting at although it is fun and exciting to watch and displays a high level of technical ability. Jones deconstructs opponents cerebrally until they've got nothing left to try, and he rarely gets hit in the process of doing so. Of course his wrestling base is a huge factor in why he can be so brazen, and without it, you are talking about a very different kind of fight, but I'd still favour Jones over Adesanya in a pure strike contest because of the intent behind his strikes and the planning he would put in place within a couple of rounds of fight time.

I’d have to watch it again but I think in the earlier rounds it was more just Dustin was beating max to the punch more so than absorbing and firing one off although I don’t deny he can take the volume a lot better but I would say that’s more Poirer than just 155 as we’ve seen him in fights with Alvarez and Gaethje( I always forget how it’s spelt) giving and absorbing punches which makes me think how good was that shot from McGregor or how hard does that little fook punch. Anyway I still think if Max was volume punching most in that division he’d do very well. Probably not the dominance he has shown in 145 and I don’t think he’d beat Kahbib but Poirer was there to be beaten in my opinion just think he came across a guy that can take a shot and give one out with very good boxing.

Put Max in against Cerone, McGregor, Laquainta, Ferguson and the likes and for me he’d easily match up if not win some of those.

On Jones Adesanya think you’re over playing Jones striking mentality as working areas is basic striking that anyone who had a decent coach does. Adesanya even did similar in the Gastelum fight switching techniques and targets to draw focus away. Would Adesanya be able to get in range or would Jones keep him on the outside with those knee hyper extensions which in my mind should be an illegal strike but whatever.
 
Taken from mmafighting.com
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/4/...desanya-max-holloway-lead-payroll-with-350000

Quite upsetting how much (little) these guys get paid. Nothing new, but I never looked up the actual figures before. Gastelum with 150,000??? Fknhell!

Main Card (ESPN+)
Dustin Poirier ($250,000 + no win bonus = $250,000) def. Max Holloway ($350,000)
Israel Adesanya ($350,000 + no win bonus = $350,000) def. Kelvin Gastelum ($150,000)
Khalil Rountree ($35,000 + $35,000 = $70,000) def. Eryk Anders ($50,000)
Dwight Grant ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Alan Jouban ($43,000)
Nikita Krylov ($80,000 + $80,000 = $160,000) def. Ovince Saint Preux ($86,000)

Preliminary Card (ESPN+)
Matt Frevola ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Jalin Turner ($12,000)
Alexandre Pantoja ($18,000 + $18,000 = $36,000) def. Wilson Reis ($34,000)
Max Griffin ($20,000 + $20,000 = $40,000) def. Zelim Imadaev ($10,000)
Khalid Taha ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Boston Salmon ($10,000)
 
Boston Salmon with only 10Gs... With a name like that, they should give him shares in the company :lol:
 
I’d have to watch it again but I think in the earlier rounds it was more just Dustin was beating max to the punch more so than absorbing and firing one off although I don’t deny he can take the volume a lot better but I would say that’s more Poirer than just 155 as we’ve seen him in fights with Alvarez and Gaethje( I always forget how it’s spelt) giving and absorbing punches which makes me think how good was that shot from McGregor or how hard does that little fook punch.
You're spot on, he was getting beaten to the punch initially, but there's little chance of that continuing into the latter rounds if Max was a fully adjusted 155er. Even though he was game, he was always playing catchup due to the deficit in power and also the fact he got tagged far too often, which broke his usual rhythm and made him second guess some shots he'd normally have no hesitation in throwing. I thought even when Max was piling it on, the punches were ineffective enough for Dustin to absorb, wait and pick his returns to quite devastating effect. Don't think any of that happens at Max's naturalised weight. It really did look like a good display of why we have weight classes and what happens when an equally good bigger man matches up with a smaller one.

I think he'd find more fighters bombing him out and not showing him the respect he's earned at 145, if he stays at 155 prematurely. He didn't look as mobile and sharp as he should be and it's always a risk going up and facing such strong competition so quickly.

Anyway I still think if Max was volume punching most in that division he’d do very well. Probably not the dominance he has shown in 145 and I don’t think he’d beat Kahbib but Poirer was there to be beaten in my opinion just think he came across a guy that can take a shot and give one out with very good boxing.

Put Max in against Cerone, McGregor, Laquainta, Ferguson and the likes and for me he’d easily match up if not win some of those.

If Max isn't piling it on, he doesn't stand a chance with how weak his single strikes are. If fighters don't respect his power, they are going to present problems he simply doesn't face at 145. Conor's a write off, until he proves otherwise, but you've a row of fighters who have no reason to back down vs the Max we saw: Khabib, Ferguson*, Gaethje, Laquinta, Lee can walk him down or fire back with more power than Max is used to. He's not effective enough for his style to put these guys into a suppresive state as he is, imo. He has the skill and ability but that reliance on oppressive volume isn't good without sufficient power.



On Jones Adesanya think you’re over playing Jones striking mentality as working areas is basic striking that anyone who had a decent coach does. Adesanya even did similar in the Gastelum fight switching techniques and targets to draw focus away. Would Adesanya be able to get in range or would Jones keep him on the outside with those knee hyper extensions which in my mind should be an illegal strike but whatever.
we can say that about all combat, the reality is there are very few who can go out and do it as they please. I don't think I'm overplaying Jones as he boxing is weak, but he makes up for it with so much more, but at the top of the pile is his ability to put a bespoke plan in place tailor made to the weaknesses of what's in front of him. I don't see that in Adesanya as of yet, on top of that he gets hit too much for the type of fighter he is.

Anyway, do you favour him over Jones in a pure striking contest? If so, why?
 
I think he'd find more fighters bombing him out and not showing him the respect he's earned at 145, if he stays at 155 prematurely. He didn't look as mobile and sharp as he should be and it's always a risk going up and facing such strong competition so quickly.
I just think not everyone in that division actually has the sort of power that Poirer has especially with his boxing skill. So I don’t think Max will get bombed out. Plus he was in with Stephens and Lamas who are renowned punchers and easily match most at 155 and let’s not forget. Poirer didn’t actually put him away.

I do agree he didn’t look like his normal sharp self but he got rocked badly by some of those shots early so no wonder he wasn’t his normal sure footed crisp self after those. Was probably seeing like 4 of him:lol:
If Max isn't piling it on, he doesn't stand a chance with how weak his single strikes are. If fighters don't respect his power, they are going to present problems he simply doesn't face at 145. Conor's a write off, until he proves otherwise, but you've a row of fighters who have no reason to back down vs the Max we saw: Khabib, Ferguson*, Gaethje, Laquinta, Lee can walk him down or fire back with more power than Max is used to. He's not effective enough for his style to put these guys into a suppresive state as he is, imo. He has the skill and ability but that reliance on oppressive volume isn't good without sufficient power.

As for Max’s power Poirer got rocked twice and even said he was badly hurt in the 3rd so Max’s volume over power still does the damage and in all honesty I think you’re underestimating how much power Max has in those strikes as we saw Poirer backing up and wilting under the pressure and power. So is he likely to knock a guy out with 1 shot, probably not but it’s never been his game

Still if he does want to have a proper crack at it he should train and cut for that division properly other than just a standard diet. Personally think Max needs to move out of 145 anyway as there is nothing there for him unless Yair puts on a crazy run to get himself in contention or Zabit Beats Stephens
Anyway, do you favour him over Jones in a pure striking contest? If so, why
I mean I’m not sure if I’d favour Adesanya, I actually don’t but I just think it’d be a really interesting fight to see in terms of their styles. Because I just think it would be quite an interesting chess match and imagine it would be more like a point Karate fight with burst of mad techniques then a reset.

Just a thing, Jones doesn’t make the game plan, he follows the game plan. Maybe he makes observations within the fight and thinks ok he keeps doing this i’ll Do that which is something everyone does.

However that’s a 20lb difference and Adesanya came in 2lbs under 185 so big stretch to get to 205 and be effective.
 
TBF, he's pretty stupid for not asking to see her credentials. She even asked if he was John. I'd be like "No I'm not, who the feck are you?!!"

True but I somehow doubt fighters ask for credentials given how routine these sorts of tests have become.
 
Just got home from work, got to see half the fight between Lineker and Sandhagen.
Why did the crowd boo on Sandhagen? Looked like a nice guy, and fought pretty well against a good fighter.

Is it just because they like Lineker? Bit childish, give the guy an applause after a win, especially after the post match interview where he showed a lot of respect for Lineker.
 
Just got home from work, got to see half the fight between Lineker and Sandhagen.
Why did the crowd boo on Sandhagen? Looked like a nice guy, and fought pretty well against a good fighter.

Is it just because they like Lineker? Bit childish, give the guy an applause after a win, especially after the post match interview where he showed a lot of respect for Lineker.

The crowd is majority brazilian for sure. It's the same in every arena when the local fighter loses a split decision.
 
Looking forward to hearing what he said to Dana.
Cnutelaba did a couple illegal things that the ref didn't do anything about.
 
Oh... Hermannson is Norwegian, i didn't know!
Thought Emil Meek was the only Noggie in the UFC.

HEIA NORGE! :D
 
Have it 4-1 for Hermansson, hope the judges agrees!
 
Swedish. :D

Why did he move to Norway to find a job? No jobs in Sweden?



Personal lifeEdit

Hermansson moved from his native Sweden to Norway when he was 18 years old to find work. He settled in Oslo, where he also started training in MMA.[54] Before focusing full-time on his fighting career he had various jobs, including being a bartender.[55


- So he came here as what we call "Party Swede" (there's even a song about them), working either at 7/11, as waiter, bartender, etc, and party atleast 4 days a week :lol:

Plenty of Swedes in Norway, us Scandis are the same, so we think of eachother as our own, really, my uncle is married to one too. A Norwegian newspaper even called him Norwegian (i had to google him, to find out who he was).

Norwegians go to the Swedish border for cheap tobacco, alcohol and meat :lol:
 
Jon Fitch controled Rory for five rounds and yet Rory landed more damage despite being passive all fight. That's what Fitch gets for laying and praying.

Rory definitely lost his desire to fight, even mentioned it in the interview. Wonder if he is contractually stuck in the Grand Prix or if he could retire right now.
 
Jon Fitch controled Rory for five rounds and yet Rory landed more damage despite being passive all fight. That's what Fitch gets for laying and praying.

Rory definitely lost his desire to fight, even mentioned it in the interview. Wonder if he is contractually stuck in the Grand Prix or if he could retire right now.


I think the Lawler fight took it all out of him really.

Jacare won't ever get a title shot shame bit it's better in long run some younger bloodis coming through
 
I think the Lawler fight took it all out of him really.

Jacare won't ever get a title shot shame bit it's better in long run some younger bloodis coming through

He still showed up in the Lima one though. That was impressive, his legs were destroyed and he still finished him.

Yeah Jacare was screwed by the UFC multiple times before, they never wanted him as champion.
 
Was the last event they did there Silva vs. Maia? Hopefully this 1 is better than that.

I’ve seen Khabib has been spending a bit of time in the Emirates recently so I’m guessing it was to help set this new deal up. The UFC will now have a way to showcase all their Dagestani and Chechen fighters in a Muslim country without the headache of worrying whether or not they can obtain US Visas.