Yeah, think he was basically made to fight out his contract despite being unhappy.
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Yeah, think he was basically made to fight out his contract despite being unhappy.
It’s ridiculous, are the UFC doing anything about it? Like putting on busses for fans or really just helping them in any way.
Dana White: "we're putting on a main event you moron, what else do you want?"
Standard Dana responseDana White: "we're putting on a main event you moron, what else do you want?"
I'm sure the fine print on ticket sales mentions what happens if an event is cancelled or moved.
Jon Jones is posting a lot about Vegas on Instagram. Doing meet and greets etc.
Strange isn't it?
Strange isn't it?
Schaub of all people is for once is putting out some good analysis of the Jones situation. Benefitting from not relying on UFC access for their income, a major problem with some MMA journalists.
time 21:13 until about 40 or so. Not sure how to timestamp correctly on here.
time 21:13 until about 40 or so. Not sure how to timestamp correctly on here.
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Jones's body language at the press conference screamed that he was unconfortable and lying.
Ted Bundy passed a polygraph test aswell you know
Thought he came off incredibly genuine given the circumstances. The journos dwelling on the drug question were obviously shopping for sound bytes, which Jones didn’t bite on. Gustafson on the other hand came off as fake as hell.
Not sure what you mean by fake as hell. Thought Gus answered in a normal way.
Fake attempts at Conor style hype. These fighters need to realize they aren’t McGregor so stop with the clumsy attempts at attempting to draw more PPVs.
So Jones actually pissed hot 3 times and the UFC already knew it before they booked the fight. They changed their policy on releasing violations to the public after they found out Jones pissed hot in September. Booking him in a fight with Gustafsson regardless. Check out the MMA reddit for more details of all the shadiness to come out from that car crash of a JRE episode.
This sort of thing proves why these long term tests are unreliable.
Didn’t he also say December 6th it was 60 pecograms
Jones is on Tito Ortiz and Josh Koscheck levels of dislike for me right now.
The lengths that some will still go to defend this guy is crazy.
The lengths that some will still go to defend this guy is crazy.
Anyone listened to the Rogan podcast with Novitski?
Listened to the first half, will listen to the rest later; from the bit I've seen so far I kinda get where they're coming from in terms of it being a pulsing from previous dosage but there also seems to be a huge amount of assumptions and good will being shown towards Jones on their part instead of suspicion.
He talks about the picogram results having a +/- variability of upto 40 or something but then seems to err on the side of that meaning Jones true value could have been lower than he got accused of when it could just have easily been higher. There also seems to be very little real understanding of how oral turinabol really metabolises itself because he was talking about the short, medium and long term metabolites that appear in the body after ingestion but was unable to give time frames for when the long term metabolites showed up and was citing a study for a different (but similar) drug that showed this "pulsing" effect where one test could show negative and then a week or two later show a ~200 picogram result, but that experiment was only 260 ish days and Jones case is verging on 18 months, and perhaps longer considering it was these long term metabolites that showed up originally so one must assume the oral turinabol was taken at least a month or two before that.
It just came across as a bit desperate and far too partisan towards Jones even if some of the reasoning was sound, like I said I'll listen to rest later but with the lack of testing done with oral turinabol (it's illegal everywhere so no clinical trials are possible and there's only one study that's been done by the Russian guy from the Icarus film which was done on himself) it seems like there's a lot of grey area for people to work with if they want to use it and then claim ignorance later on.
I didn't see any resemblance to Conor seems an odd comparison.
There was no catchphrase or witty remarks he just seemed pissed off that Jon is a drug cheat and gets a free pass.
Most the stuff was standard comments that most fighters would make.
The entire presser seemed a bit lopsidedly focused on Jones and not nearly enough on the rest of the card. They should’ve had more fighters involved to spread things out a bit.
When did this happen?
Yesterday’s presser
They could of had 99% of UFC roster on there and it's still going to happen. I don't think that means anyone is doing any Conor style promotion though just Jones incident is the biggest story.
Pretty much the reading I got from it too.
A lot of it seems they're learning as they go, and the nature of their job means that will always be the case.
Would love Jones to annihilate Gus and Cyborg to obliterate Nunes. Make it happen MMA gods.
I don't understand this. I usually support ''bad guys" but Jones is a cheating scum. Just can't see how anyone can root for him.
He does seen to have a cult behind him. Whenever something bad happens I always expect crowd to not support him but by press conference they all love him still!
I think its a variation of a controversial view my friend had. His view was basically 'I want to see the highest level of a sport and if that level includes performance enhancing drugs then I'd prefer if PEDs were simply legal for sports because I want to see the highest level'. Now he didn't support cheating but he neither held any grudge against competitors that have used PEDs from Olympic athletes, cyclists, team sports, etc. His view was that performance enhancing drugs are inevitable among the fiercest competitors so we might as well make it legal. He also pointed out that the way testing was conducted meant some competitors could use PEDs to a lesser degree and probably never even get caught since sports didn't test people all year round (this was c.2002 though so maybe its different now).
I didn't agree with him on his overall views but I did at least understand his point. He simply wanted to see the highest level of sport possible even if that level was artificially advanced.
Now that things have settled down a bit and both fighters made weight, I can't wait for this. Great fight to end the year. Heart says Gus but head says Jones by decision.
I'm myself against heavy regulation with respect to PEDs. A piss test is sufficient. Genetics don't make a fair playing field anyways. Unless we make completely fair by having height class, reach class etc. and remove all genetic advantages. I don't see why stop PEDs which will enable athletes to train harder.
PEDs dont provide magic bullet. It enables you to train harder and recover faster in to train harder again. I see nothing wrong with that.
How do you know? are you a pro athlete?
PEDs use will make your stamina much better, which is probably one of the most important aspects in a fight, specially when you are past the first rounds.
If all the athletes were on it, it would be fair game, but that's not the case, Jones is a fecking cheater.
If they should or not be allowed is for another discussion. In the UFC fighters should fight clean until the rules says otherwise.
I get people want the highest level of fights and that's fine but the organization have made PED illegal so with scum like Jones, you're seeing a worse fight than of both guys are clean.
It's like if you and a friend of equal abilities were playing FIFA, and one guy chose a normal team and the opponent choose a classic team with boosted stats. Won't be fun to watch.
It's like if you and a friend of equal abilities were playing FIFA, and one guy chose a normal team and the opponent choose a classic team with boosted stats. Won't be fun to watch.
Anyone here trains or has trained MMA for a long time? I have a couple of questions to ask. Don't know if it's the right forum for this but worth a try.
All I know is that with Anderson Silva and Jon Jones both getting busted, it's only fair the Chael P Sonnen be declared the first two weight world champion. He lost to both of those cheats in title fights when he was "basically" clean.
Cheers buddy
If taken consistently in significant dosages yes. Certainly not in anything Jones is dealing with in this episode.
The dosage that's detected in the tests isn't the dosage he's ingesting, he's pissing out leftovers of a substance after it has been broken down and used by the body.
I'll ask again, is your argument that he's genuinely just unlucky or he's attempting to cheat in such small doses that it isn't actually helping his performance? He's not going to risk ruining his legacy over something that isn't even helping him - so either the dodgy testosterone levels pre-ufc182, hiding in his gym from usada, and the 5(?) failed drug tests are pure bad luck, or he's juicing.
It’s hard to tell and all we can go by is what the tests reveal, which in this case is a highly ambiguous list of results that are clearly indicating metabolites from something he may have taken a very long time ago. Whatever happened in the past, there’s nothing there that can be construed as helping him in the present given the farcically low trace amounts some tests are showing (while others aren’t showing anything at all).
Not many fights in this card are of interest to me, but i'll make some picks:
Uriah Hall KO's Bevon Lewis - Not confident on this one but still hoping that dude can become a serious contender.
Ryan Hall wins a clear unanimous decision over BJ Penn - Don't think Ryan Hall has anything on the feet to hurt Penn and Penn at least should still have his Jiu jitsu, but he is so shot that all signs point to a loss.
Andrei Arlovski edges Walt Harris in a split decision - His days as a contender are over but he should have enough left for this
Chad Mendes finishes Alexander Volkanovski by TKO - If he doesn't then he's lost a step
Corey Anderson outwrestles Ilir Latifi in a ugly fight and wins clear decision - Anderson's athleticism should give him the edge
Carlos Condit KO's Michael Chiesa - Can ''The natural born killer'' rediscover his magic ? excited to find out
Cyborg KO's Nunes in 1th Round - No explanation needed
As for the main event, let's just watch and see what happens...excitement is wild for that one!
Uriah Hall KO's Bevon Lewis - Not confident on this one but still hoping that dude can become a serious contender.
Ryan Hall wins a clear unanimous decision over BJ Penn - Don't think Ryan Hall has anything on the feet to hurt Penn and Penn at least should still have his Jiu jitsu, but he is so shot that all signs point to a loss.
Andrei Arlovski edges Walt Harris in a split decision - His days as a contender are over but he should have enough left for this
Chad Mendes finishes Alexander Volkanovski by TKO - If he doesn't then he's lost a step
Corey Anderson outwrestles Ilir Latifi in a ugly fight and wins clear decision - Anderson's athleticism should give him the edge
Carlos Condit KO's Michael Chiesa - Can ''The natural born killer'' rediscover his magic ? excited to find out
Cyborg KO's Nunes in 1th Round - No explanation needed
As for the main event, let's just watch and see what happens...excitement is wild for that one!