He was discovered by Dana White on his YouTube show "looking for a fight"it was his UFC debut so maybe he was overwhelmed by the occasion, but yeah, except for his toughness, didn't showed anything else.
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He was discovered by Dana White on his YouTube show "looking for a fight"it was his UFC debut so maybe he was overwhelmed by the occasion, but yeah, except for his toughness, didn't showed anything else.
There is zero chance that Mayweather takes Marciano's record in a fight with an MMA guy. He may love money, but he also loves boxing and seems to have a total respect for the sport. If it was kind of half-sanctioned and was viewed as an exhibition maybe. But then who pays for that?
Also, Conor would get embarrassed by any of Floyd's training partners. They'd all knock his head off. It'd be as even a fight as Djokovic playing the world number 1 badminton player. Guaranteed win in one discipline, guaranteed defeat in the other.
I'd go as far as saying Floyd could probably win the fight without throwing more than a two punch combo at any point. He'd win most if not all rounds if he could only jab. You could probably draw a circle 100 miles surrounding you right now and find a boxer in that circle that would be closer in boxing talent to Conor, than he is to Floyd.
OTT Rant over.
it was his UFC debut so maybe he was overwhelmed by the occasion, but yeah, except for his toughness, didn't showed anything else.
Saw the thing before the match, where Dana spoke to him.
Think it was the other guy's debut too.
Didn't look to have any plan at all, except trying to hit some kicks...which he didn't.
No plan b.
mmm wtf judges
oh and Garbrandt and Dillashaw confirmed as the TUF 25 coaches.
oh and Garbrandt and Dillashaw confirmed as the TUF 25 coaches.
Joe Lauzon is a very likeable guy.
Wrong hand was raised in that one...
Wrong hand was raised in that one...
main event here we go! Come on Yair!
BJ getting picked apart at will
throw the towel
Does BJ need money? What's the deal?
no idea. Really it was almost as pathetic as those fights in Japan.
one ir two more victory and a title shot should follow for el Pantera, hopefully 2017.
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I doubt it, he's from a rich family and was making big money in the UFC when sponsers etc were still allowed. Probably just wanted to fight again. He was meant to be fighting Siver originally which would of been a good fight but this one was far to much from him. Rodriguez is a legitimate prospoect and Penn is on his way out (that's being generous as well!) Just odd match making really.
BJ should not be in there at that level. Genuinely feared for his well-being watching him get treated like a heavy bag. There was a point where a liver shot hurt him so much, he didn't know where to put his arms because he wanted to cover up his mid-section, but had already been on the receiving end of some brutal kicks to the head and knew more would come if he lowered them. It was a textbook kicking seminar out there from Rodriguez, but it was far too dangerous a fight for a guy who shouldn't even be in the octagon anymore, let alone facing a legitimate potential champion.
There was more talk of it being done as some kind of UFC freakshow, so I'm not sure it would show up on boxer's record?
If there's enough money to be made, Floyd will definitely do it, imo. He sees $$$ and there's plenty of those to be had if the hype train gets off the ground with this one. It would attract a lot of interest.. even those saying it's a disgrace would watch it, so I would imagine it rests on whether it gets sanctioned or not.
If the right deal is struck, Conor would never have to lift a glove again and he'd make more from this farcical bout than he would in the remainder of his UFC fights combined. Even if they're just putting feelers out their to gauge public interest (buyers) for the fight (PPV), I very much doubt this is lip service from either camp. Easy, easy money for Floyd, and a level of payment that's not possible for an MMA fighter.
I agree there's little point talking about it as an actual contest - the question I'd raise is whether, if Conor kept his head and did not get DQ'd, he'd come out of the bout with his pride intact.
There was more talk of it being done as some kind of UFC freakshow, so I'm not sure it would show up on boxer's record?
If there's enough money to be made, Floyd will definitely do it, imo. He sees $$$ and there's plenty of those to be had if the hype train gets off the ground with this one. It would attract a lot of interest.. even those saying it's a disgrace would watch it, so I would imagine it rests on whether it gets sanctioned or not.
If the right deal is struck, Conor would never have to lift a glove again and he'd make more from this farcical bout than he would in the remainder of his UFC fights combined. Even if they're just putting feelers out their to gauge public interest (buyers) for the fight (PPV), I very much doubt this is lip service from either camp. Easy, easy money for Floyd, and a level of payment that's not possible for an MMA fighter.
I agree there's little point talking about it as an actual contest - the question I'd raise is whether, if Conor kept his head and did not get DQ'd, he'd come out of the bout with his pride intact.
My worry would be that a Mayweather-McGregor fight wouldn't just be a freakshow, it would be a freakshow that those in the mainstream media with a disdain for MMA would use to attack the sport. Probably wouldn't be that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but even still, there's no need to attract negative attention either by creating a needless circus.
You should have heard Rogan and Schaub discussing this. McGregor could catch him because Shane Mosley did ( feck sake) while Conors mma stance will give Floyd problems.
Theres a reason why the mma stance isnt used for boxing Joe... Guess why that this.
Schaub claims Conor will use angles Floyd has never seen before..
Theres a reason why the mma stance isnt used for boxing Joe... Guess why that this.
Schaub claims Conor will use angles Floyd has never seen before..
The Conor - Floyd thing is getting a bit ridiculous now.Agreed. Anyone with a pre-existing disdain for "human cockfighting" (MMA) would see this as a bizarre spectacle that reinforces their views.
The biggest mistake the UFC ever made was allowing fighters to earn PPV points, which has created a culture of greed and sensationalism where fighters gravitate to this sort of thing rather than ordinary logical fights within their divisions. It has also created a culture of the haves and have nots where you have an class of elites and a class of plebs seeking to become elites (and I don't mean elite fighters, I mean financially).
Tom Duquesnoy signed for the UFC... Have seen him fight a couple of times for BAMMA, he's very good and a great addition to a fun bantamweight division.
Mates rave about him, haven't seen him myself yet....looking forward to it.
Agree with the rest of the thread re: McGregor vs Mayweather, both sides need to give up the bluff now.
Tough watching BJ take a beating like that, should never have happened.
Agree with the rest of the thread re: McGregor vs Mayweather, both sides need to give up the bluff now.
Tough watching BJ take a beating like that, should never have happened.
I haven't checked it out, but I wonder what the media reaction was like to those really odd, random crossover fights that used to happen in the 60's and 70's. There was one fight between Ali and a wrestler, I think it was, and the wrestler kicked the shite out of Ali's legs and easily won the contest. It's rarely talked about now and didn't tarnish Ali's legacy one bit, but I do think it would look really bad on Floyd if he took part in a contest with someone who isn't even at a amateur boxer's level. It would be a blatant money-grab for no other reason than fleecing the public. I say that because, under boxing rules, Floyd is putting nothing on the line to collect that cash as opposed to Conor who could be absolutely humiliated out there. From my understanding, Ali's was a genuine contest to see which discipline would prevail and both he and the wrestler were allowed to use their full arsenal, so the element of risk was massive, especially so when considering his precious legs were being compromised, which could have ruined him as a boxer.
If it wasn't done under the auspices of being MMA, specifically, I'm not sure what the mainstream media could say because it clearly wouldn't be a mixed martial arts contest, which is what the UFC represents. I'm sure they would think up some snazzy workaround that made sure to mention Mayweather's company/promotions in the header and at least take some of the attention. I also think it's Floyd who would get slaughtered for this and the brunt of the criticism would be aimed at him.
hype-men, selling the fight. The feelers are being put out there to gauge interest and the more people who believe in their words, the more that will buy into it as a contest. Rogan should be ashamed of himself. If Dana would actually pay his stable properly in the first place, none of this would have happened. Those guys are risking their lives out there and should be fairly paid for the entertainment they're providing and the coffers they're filling. If you don't make a song and dance, you're treated like trash, and that's a fundamental flaw in how the company is run, if that wasn't the case, maybe this grandstanding would die down. The fighters need a union.
Just watched it now
Main event went as expected. That was just over 5 mins of punishment that he did not need to take
He should have stayed retired for sure
Not a great event really. Some dodgy decisions. Great sub from the Russian
Main event went as expected. That was just over 5 mins of punishment that he did not need to take
He should have stayed retired for sure
Not a great event really. Some dodgy decisions. Great sub from the Russian
Any chance we could move the McGregor v mayweather stuff to a different thread?
Ali vs Inoki is quite an interesting one to read about to be honest if you've not before mate.
It was hugely anticipated, it sold out the arena, was shown in loads of countries and even sold out a baseball stadium in America just to show it on the big screen I think.
The fight is largely considered a joke though and at the time did tarnish Ali's legacy, people called it an embarrassment etc. There was hardly any punches thrown by Ali and Inoki basically lied down kicking for the whole fight. At first it was meant to be a fake wrestling match but Ali didn't want to lose so it turned into a real fight is also one of the rumours but dunno if that's true.
It did however somewhat spawn the creation of Pride so it's not all bad I suppose.
Ah right. This I did not know. Cheers for that.
I'll have a look on youtube for the bout.
Yes that's been my view for a while. I'm not against good fighters making bank, but the money should be spread a bit more evenly where no fighters can make more than 3-4 million per fight and then use the outstanding money for higher paydays for the rest of the card. No fighter should make less than 75/75 for a major UFC card (ie UFC 206 etc) and no fighter should make less than 50/50 for a UFC on Fox card. PPV bonuses should be eliminated and that money should be evenly applied to fighter salaries.
You communist brah?
PPV bonuses for champions and needle movers is working fine imo, UFC 208 looks like a shit show compared to 209 and the ppv buys will reflect that and that's driven by who's fighting on that card.
I think the Reebok deal is the real killer, I honestly don't remember that many grumbles pre-Reebok about fighter pay, taking away that supplemental sponsor income and replacing it with 20-100k bonuses works out great for a guy that hasn't got any sponsors and is up and comer but sucks for everyone else not able to get exemptions like Conor/ Ronda and Cowboy.
There plenty of weird payouts under the current setup though I agree, like Roy Nelson making less base pay than Sage Northcutt that one time, despite headlining the card. Until there is more wholesale movement to competitors like Bellator it won't change.
They're obviously not fine since they only benefit a very small group of fighters to the detriment of those lower down on the card. There is absolutely no reason for any MMA fighter to make 10-20m on one card when the others are making 50-100k. They need to spread the wealth more so that it doesn't turn into the hilariously idiotic shit show it has now where fighters are clamoring to fight McGregor because they know it will get them paid. White and the UFC are basically incentivizing WWE style fake clownshow behavior to make PPV money that the non Hollywood fighters never see. The Reebok deal doesn't really improve this if you're seen how little the fighters make from it.
PPV bonuses have always been in place. Headliners should be getting it. They are the majority of reason why people buy the show
The real issue was surely the Reebok deal. And as you say they need to up the basic pay for fighting and winning
Bonuses aren't the issue. Giving fighters PPV points is. If 5% of the fighters are getting 95% of the money then the rest are obviously not getting much. That's a problem, and is directly attributable to the PPV points system. Sadly the UFC set up this policy so White and the Fertitas could put hundreds of millions of dollars in their pockets and not as a means to create a sustainable, equitable model.
Sorry I meant PPV points
I dont agree. As they are headlining the show. Its just the way it is.
But as I said I do agree lower card fighters shoudl be paid more
Well there's a discrepancy in "its just the way it is" and "lower card fighters should be paid more". It is the PPV points system that is causing the massive divergence in salaries. Scrap that system, but still pay the headliners a couple of million or so for their fights (instead of 10m with PPV points) and use the outstanding some to spread the wealth more evenly so all fighters benefit, which in turn will make them more sustainable as fighters, aid their development, and benefit the UFC in the long terrm.
PPV points are negotiated on a per individual basis. Some like Mighty Mouse chooses to not take them up and instead negotiates a better fight purse. He knows he doesn’t draw. But if a fighter knows his/her worth you can be sure they are going to want a cut of the takings. I dont see many of the big names sticking around if they dont get that kind of deal.
Again you seem to think this is a new thing. PPV points has been in UFC and in boxing for many years
I realize they've been around for a long time as I've been buying PPV events since the early 90s. That doesn't however make them a good thing. The Fertitas made their money and have now left IMG with a lopsided business model where they are incentivized to over commercialize in order to continue making money. The system I described is a better one, but obviously wont happen as long as greed is the primary motivator for owners and fighters.
Tim Kennedy has retired.
Probably a good thing for the fighters union they're trying to get off the ground. It was never going to work with all the fighters being paid by the UFC still as is evident by Cerrone shitting himself and backing out pretty much.
Probably a good thing for the fighters union they're trying to get off the ground. It was never going to work with all the fighters being paid by the UFC still as is evident by Cerrone shitting himself and backing out pretty much.
Greed will never cease in anything pretty much. So that is wishful thinking.
When the reebok deal is up in 2020. If they renew that it will tell us a lot about the new owners
Its a far bigger issue than PPV points IMO
We can differentiate making a good paycheck with flagrant profit logic, where every action taken is done out of abject greed. The former is how things should be done, the latter is the mess we are in today.
If you scrap the current PPV points, I can see the headliners walking to other organisations super fast and I honestly don't think it's even remotely the issue.
The pay disparity is shocking but the UFC is choosing to pay them the amounts that they do, regardless of PPV, you could double the lower down the card fighters base without removing points to people like Conor, for UFC205, to bring everyone's pay up to the 150k amount you suggest (which sounds reasonable to me, until you get to the first fight on the pre-prelim then it seems high) would cost around $1million. They paid Conor $11.5million in points that event, if they gave him $10m instead it would cover the difference, but there is no guarantee that they would. Miesha Tate got 60k on the same card, I refuse to believe they paid her that little to cover Conor's PPV money.
I wouldn't have an issue with what you just described. My main concern is that fighters at the bottom get paid more, not that those at the top aren't allowed to make big paydays. If as you describe, it would only take a million off Conor's loot for everyone else to have a bigger pay day then that's a no brainer imo.
But more broadly, the Fertitas and White should never have implemented points into their pay structure. Its obviously too late to undo it now, so something similar to what you described would make for a decent compromise.
I disagree, points is like their only saving grace on some murky shit they do, in an ideal world they would pay everyone better instead but they just don't.