Ugh, this is like the red wedding all over again for me ffs.
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People always go on about nightmare scenarios for the ufc. I don't see that at all.
There is always and I mean always new stories or fighters to promote. Look through the history and it's always the case. This time next year we will see a whole bunch of new headliners that fans are excited for
I reckon tonight they are already planning ronda v Tate part 3 which now becomes a huge fight
There is always and I mean always new stories or fighters to promote. Look through the history and it's always the case. This time next year we will see a whole bunch of new headliners that fans are excited for
I reckon tonight they are already planning ronda v Tate part 3 which now becomes a huge fight
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If there was such a clause then you better believe Conor himself is going to try and back out of it as quick as he can. I'd be amazed if Conor fights RDA next. Go and watch Nate Diaz vs RDA if you want to see why.
Sign McGregor up for those BJJ for Kids seminar's that Nate is teaching. I still love what McGregor brings to the table will be back again but will now have to let his fighting do the talking for a while, can't knock everyone out and went out the Anderson way, thinking he could take any opponent out. GSP was often regarded as one of the less exciting fighters but he is probably the most respected, always stayed professional and dominated his division for years. Maybe some of these fighters need to take a page out of his book.
If Jones loses to Cormier then the UFC will lose their shit.
If Jones loses to Cormier then the UFC will lose their shit.
RDA obliterated Nate Diaz, so I don't think Conor would've fared particularly well, especially given that RDA is currently in his prime.
McGregor gave up his back really quickly and he tapped pretty quick after that as well.
Plus losses aren't necessarily the end of the world in MMA. Conor's mystique will take a hit but he'll still be a big draw.
RDA beats Conor in my opinion also. Conor should stick to FW for a while.
Sure he was hurt. And fecked.
Agreed. He needs to deal with Edgar and Aldo before considering a move to 155 imo.
Rda is as well rounded as they come. He is great standing and on the mat. And hits far harder than Diaz
Before tonight I would have fancied him over McGregor and now I'd have little doubt
Yeah he really has no ground game. Its disappointing given the hype he receives. He is going to have to be less one dimensional in terms of just being a boxer and shit talker who gets into people's heads before fights, and refocus his training towards dealing with wrestlers and submission artists.
How often can these two fight though, this would be the fourth, wouldn't it?
3rd. 2nd in the ufc. They'll finish up the trilogy and then that would probably be it. Can Miesha find a way to beat Ronda or not? If she manages to win then Ronda is probably going to pack it in. If Ronda beats Miesha for a 3rd time then Miesha will almost certainly retire. She was already considering retirement before.
What the hells on for UFC 200 now, surely they aren't going to have Conor defend on drained weight AND a fast turnaround from a loss, that's pretty much asking for a loss. Should vacate rather than drain to defend so quickly.
In terms of everything, Dana could throw insane amounts at Ronda and GSP to save it. But I just can't see either happening, as above, Conor shouldn't do it, Jon Jones will be on a shorter turnaround and would have to dispatch Cormier very quickly to even stand a chance, Anderson having a giraffe with it all now.
That leaves Philly Brooks......who's "injured" and apparently shit anyway. But it'll sell.
In terms of everything, Dana could throw insane amounts at Ronda and GSP to save it. But I just can't see either happening, as above, Conor shouldn't do it, Jon Jones will be on a shorter turnaround and would have to dispatch Cormier very quickly to even stand a chance, Anderson having a giraffe with it all now.
That leaves Philly Brooks......who's "injured" and apparently shit anyway. But it'll sell.
Right, I though they had fought twice in the UFC.
No the 3rd
It would have been hard to promote a few months ago, but not at all now
In fact I wonder if ronda would now be more willing to fight at ufc 200 than she was previously
Holly beats Ronda all day long but she loses tonight to a fighter that Ronda would dominate again and again. MMA math doesnt work.
All the advantages that Nate has would be non existant in RDA.
Amazing night. Diaz is a tough bastard, he was eating shots and never wobbled. McGregor needs to stick to a lower weight class, he has a fantastic chin at featherweight and regularly receives and shrugs off punches but as soon as Diaz connected tonight he was rattled. Have to love Nate.
Be honest. Have you seen much of RDA lately? Nate is a high level gatekeeper in the division that RDA is currently looking like a destroyer in. It would be more like Lawler going up and losing to Bisping and then following that up by fighting Rockhold or something.
RDA would've been a different fight that Conor would've lost for different reasons imo. He's a great fighter but clearly isn't good enough to randomly jump between weight classes and immediately fight for titles. He should do it slowly by fighting someone like Pettis to qualify for a title fight.
Lose v Frankie and his pay days are over. Lose v RDA and he can build himself up v Frankie. Frankie and the fw belt are his get out of jail free card. It gives him options so there is no chance he puts that at risk straight after a loss.
Beat RDA and tonight is forgotten. Nobody retires from the UFC undefeated.
what a crazy night though.
I think Conor (and us, his fans) needed this humbling experience. A defeat out of his natural weight is hardly going to set him back much, but on the contrary, it was a great chance to make a lot of money and learn the work he will need to put on if he wants to really go challenge for the welterweight title someday. I wouldn't discard a fight with Lawler (maybe it was already signed? "ok, i fight Nate but even if i loose, i get lawler" type of situation.) but i think a fight with RDA is next.
looking forward to Conor's next fight. If he is obsessed like he says, then he should be back better than ever.
I think Conor (and us, his fans) needed this humbling experience. A defeat out of his natural weight is hardly going to set him back much, but on the contrary, it was a great chance to make a lot of money and learn the work he will need to put on if he wants to really go challenge for the welterweight title someday. I wouldn't discard a fight with Lawler (maybe it was already signed? "ok, i fight Nate but even if i loose, i get lawler" type of situation.) but i think a fight with RDA is next.
looking forward to Conor's next fight. If he is obsessed like he says, then he should be back better than ever.
I suppose it depends how you look at it. 2 losses on the spin would be very bad news for him and the chances of losing to RDA are much higher than almost any other fight at <155. Would it be less of a disaster than losing to Edgar? Yes you're probably right but it would still be a disaster for him and one that is more likely. I think the analogy of losing to Bisping and then fighting Rockhold is fair.
Yes but only if he planned to stay there which I dont think he did.
Beat Aldo and you get a shot at RDA. Beat him and its Lawler.
Its all one and done. If he fails at either step he goes back to FW and accepts his status and paydays. Build up Aldo etc and retire in a few years time. He would have been a lasting megastar if he was successful. It was lightening in a bottle moment. As we see tonight the risk of tune up matches outweighs the benifits.
The De La Hoya comparison is why he probably shouldn't go back down to his title weight, De La Hoya moved up gradually and looked mostly fine, albeit given that he was never really all that great anyway got beat by better fighters in the time, middleweight was arguable a step too far as he looked shit both times.....so he went back one class and looked good, then stupidly drained weight to go even further back to fight Manny, looked diabolical, slow and devoid of power.
Okay he was in his mid 30's compared to Mcgregor being 28, but the same shit continually happens. RJJ's career pretty much ended the day he won the HW title over John Ruiz as he was never going to defend. Ultra rare exceptions, so I guess you never know.
When exactly did McGregor light him up? The first round was very close. A case could actually be made based on how terribly overvalued take downs are, that Nate won the first round.
The second round? When was McGregor lighting him up? I saw McGregor throw a bunch of big shots, land some. I also saw Nate trading with him, laughing in his face, getting cut, slapping him, and landing pretty much 1:1 until he decided to throw a fastball and put him on queer street.
He outclassed McGregor standing, turned McGoats into a wrestler, threatened to break his arm and then made him tap in about 6-8s, maybe even faster.
It wasn't competitive, because Nate walked through him, laughed in his face, and then took a giant steaming dump on him.
Aldo not wasting much time on Twitter is he. Can't see it happening with Edgar in the mix.
I'm sorry I ruffled your feathers sally. It wasn't competitive because Nate walked through Conor. Laughed in his face, slapped him repeatedly while walking through him, then he just about knocked him out standing, and then he choked him out in a matter of seconds. Conor won a very close first round by going all out and Nate was going like 50%.
I was disappointed in his MMA fundamentals too. Just the basic stuff: endurance, commitment, grappling, defending strikes. McGregor can throw bombs but boxing is also about defense. I watched Conor fight with his hands down at his sides and he got tagged again and again. He can't fight like that and win. Maybe it's just overconfidence.
Sad to see Conor turn into one of those "panic wrestlers" he spoke about.
Not sure what the UFC does with Nate next.
Pleased for Tate, she should try to get a least one title defence in before Ronda is allowed to smash her for a third time.
Not sure what the UFC does with Nate next.
Pleased for Tate, she should try to get a least one title defence in before Ronda is allowed to smash her for a third time.
You don't get points for 'laughing in their face', whether Mcgregor hurt Nate or not is irrelevant, all the good work up until Nate landed big was done by McGregor. That's very obvious.
I do beleive as Conor said he over commited in the first round and that didn't help his cause, whether that would've been a decking factor if the fight went to a 3rd round, I don't know.
What? Miesha isn't a journeyman. She's the number 2 or number 3 girl in the world. She has issues with Honda, because her strength aligns perfectly with Hondas strength. But it's about styles. Styles make fights. Miesha shoots traditional wrestling take downs. Honda clinches and throws. Holly will most likely beat Tate in a rematch, Hollys ground game is terrible, but it can be tightened up. She also made a lot of novice mistakes. If she didn't slam Tate, she probably survives the round and wins 4-1.
Ronda will probably beat Tate, and then she better hope another wrestler does Holly, because Ronda has to make a lot of adjustments to deal with Holly. Holly just needs to get a little bit better on the ground to beat Tate in a rematch.
Conor is a totally different animal. He has been coddled, given preferential match making, and had an enormous hype machine behind him. McGregor got Mendez on 2 weeks notice. The UFC shelved Edgar, and then he got to jump right to Aldo, and let's be honest here, both guys have the KO power to stop the other guy in one punch. Aldo however can easily beat Conor on the ground. I don't want to say the KO of Aldo was a fluke, but it wasn't decisive. It wasn't like Holm Rousey. There are tons of questions there.
In addition, the womans game is far less developed. The woman are almost all specialists. They are strikers, wrestlers, or submission types. Womans MMA is where mens MMA was 15 years ago. Holding them to the same standard in terms of expectation of skillsets isn't far.
Men are expected to be well rounded. No women are well rounded yet.
No you don't get points for it. However, you must be very biased if you actually think that McGregor was dominating him until he got clocked. Here is some advice. When you watch people fight, don't focus on one guy or the other, you miss 90% of what the other guy does. Don't focus, use your peripheral vision. Conor was getting picked apart. He was winging wild lefts and rights, some of them landed, but for everyone that landed, he was eating 2 or 3 shots (or slaps).
If Conor wasn't dominating him in the first I'd hate to see how bad Nate would look if he did.
Does Conor need to move to America and train with the likes of a Greg Jackson, AKA or American Top Team to improve his ground game? I think there's something to what Diaz said pre-fight about having top fighters as training partners.
Not surprising he got choked out when it went to the ground.
Suppose the question is whether Mcgregor is actually any good a fighter ir not? At FW he has the distinct advantage of being a lot bigger then everybody else. He loses that advantage as he goes up the weight classes.
Hopefully this stops his dickhead fans from being such obnoxious dicks. Also, RDA would've mauled him.
Suppose the question is whether Mcgregor is actually any good a fighter ir not? At FW he has the distinct advantage of being a lot bigger then everybody else. He loses that advantage as he goes up the weight classes.
Hopefully this stops his dickhead fans from being such obnoxious dicks. Also, RDA would've mauled him.
So when you say being picked apart, you mean winning? Because if you think that Nate won that first round you're mental.
When did I say he was dominating? You said it wasn't competitive, how do you come to that conclusive when the fighter who lost would've been ahead on the score cards up until he was wobbled? Whilst also landing the better punches, had a higher work rate and was the aggressor? Here's some advice for you, just because you don't like a fighter (I'm not a massive fan of McGregor either) don't just ignore all the good work he did.
As I said I expected thst McGregor would've tired rapidly as the fight went on and Nate could well have won the fight on the 3rd regardless, but saying the fight wasn't competitive is a little ridiculous.
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Back to fighting midgets for Conor I guess. Glad to see Nate get the credit he deserves and derail the hype train.Perhaps if Conor had sparred with some decent welterweights, he would've realised how out of his depth he was.