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Weidman looked really off to me, for some reason. Can't decide what it was, just seemed different. That spinning wheel kick was also stupid, he is usually so good because he sticks to his fundamentals...and then he decided to throw that. Major brain fart in the moment or something.
 
PhilipB said:
Weidman looked really off to me, for some reason. Can't decide what it was, just seemed different. That spinning wheel kick was also stupid, he is usually so good because he sticks to his fundamentals...and then he decided to throw that. Major brain fart in the moment or something.
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I like that he admitted it. "Probably wasn't the best idea!"

Actually, I really disliked the guy, but he came off really well in that interview after loosing.
 
Chris Weidman's in the hospital now to get himself checked up on. Well done Herb...well done.
 
Earthquake said:
Oh god, the hurleys...

"Break your arm? Well, fecking hold your hurly with the other one, dumbass."
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:lol: Yeah, hurling is fecked. I grew up in Canada so I never played it properly, don't think I would have in Ireland anyway, I'd be too scared. My dad has a big scar on the back of his head from getting wacked across the head.
 
limerickcitykid said:
:lol: Yeah, hurling is fecked. I grew up in Canada so I never played it properly, don't think I would have in Ireland anyway, I'd be too scared. My dad has a big scar on the back of his head from getting wacked across the head.
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Psychopath sport.

I have a recurring chest injury, that started with a crack of a hurley across my chest when I was a kid.
 
Man, Max is really annoyed that he doesn't get more of a push. That arrogance is really coming off strong.
 
Demian wants a more mathematical approach to the rankings so that he can be placed at a higher position. How would ELO ratings fare in UFC or MMA in general?

In my opinion, it wouldn't be the most ideal approach marketing-wise as UFC would rather push up more marketable fighters first and foremost, but then again, wouldn't better fighters be more marketable?
 
Who was that female fighter? Did they even ask her a question?
 
What a huge disappointment.

The main main event is one of the biggest let down fights I think I've seen in forever. It's a fight I've been looking forward to in anticipation since it was announced nearly a year ago. Then that happened.

Short of an injury or a disqualification, that is the single worst way for a guy to win a fight in my opinion. It doesn't really tell us anything about the fighters.

Let me just say this first before I get into it.

I think Jose is one of the all time greats, I think he is deserving of respect. Beyond that, I'm basically neutral about him. I think he is a straight killer and a fantastic fighter but I don't consider myself a fan.

I think Connor is a dick, I'm not a fan. I also don't really know what to think of him as a fighter. We know he moves well, we know he hits hard, we know he has suspect take down defense. Beyond I don't care to way in on what I think about him as an overall fighter. Overall I am not a fan.

To put in perspective. I think Jon Jones is a raging asshole, I dislike him on many levels, but I also believe he is probably the greatest MMA fighter in history, and the baddest man on the planet.

So where to begin. I guess first, feck knock outs in the first minute of a fight or so.

I guess I want to vent about the difference between being knocked out, and being outclassed. Often times a fighter gets outclassed, and then they get knocked out. See Holm Rousey as an example of this. Sometimes a fighter just gets knocked out. That's what McGregor Aldo was. Someone just got knocked out. The fight ended before it really began. Thirteen seconds. What did we learn in thirteen seconds? What did we see? We saw what we already knew, Connor has big power. That's all we saw.

I wanted to see these guys fight. Be it for 3 minutes, or 25 minutes. I wanted to see how Connor handled Aldo. We didn't see that. We saw Connor win decisively by knocking him out on his second punch I think. There was no domination, there was no systematic destruction. There was no back and forth. We didn't see the class of either guy, we just saw someone dirtnap 13s into the fight. I have a lot of questions about Connor, I think Aldo poses those questions, and I still think he poses those questions, and I'm pissed off that we didn't get to see them actually dance.

The evidence to support my assertion that these kind of knock out victories are not always telling is abundant. The history of MMA and boxing is littered with cases where a guy knocks someone out seconds into a fight, and then in a rematch gets BATTERED. A most recent memory high profile example of this is Cain vs JDS 1. Now, I'm not suggesting that Aldo is going to do what Cain did to JDS. I do however think that I would really, really, like to see a rematch where these two guys get stuck in and actually see what each other has.

If Connor knocks him out in seconds again, well then, then I think I feel comfortable moving from just knocked out, to knocked out and outclassed. However these sort of early knock outs are so often misleading and so often incorrect predictors of future fights. I feel like we got robbed of the truth. Now, I'm sure that fans of McGregor are happy, they should be, he left Aldo snoring in the middle of the ring. However, I think most neutrals probably feel more than a little disappointed, and I'd also bet that the more honest and discerning McGregor fans probably feel the same way too. Any win is satisfying for your boy, but systematic destruction removes all doubt. An early one punch knock-out isn't a debate killer.

I hope we get to see this rematch. Oh and I'm a pretty big Joe Rogan defender. I thought his handling of the interview was pretty much disgusting. I also thought that Aldo'd meaning regarding it not being a fight was pretty clear. He meant it ended before it really began and that he felt like it wasn't really a fight.
 
Apparently the trasnslator fecked over Aldo. He never said it wasn't a fight or anything even resembling that point..
Aldo's head was gone, even if he got up from the shot it would be over soon after. One thing we've learned is Aldo couldn't mentally cope with Conor. What we've learned is Conor's knock out power translates to every opponent and every style. The fact a featherweight has so many knockouts is ridiculous quite frankly.
End of story. Aldo will never recover from this.
People ask all thee questions about Conor and he has to answer this and that but not one opponent has come close to answering the question of how to nullify and counter the strengths of Conor McGregor. This is what happens when you have grapplers who've learned how to box a few years ago v a man who has been doing it all his life.
 
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Nucks said:
What a huge disappointment.

The main main event is one of the biggest let down fights I think I've seen in forever. It's a fight I've been looking forward to in anticipation since it was announced nearly a year ago. Then that happened.

Short of an injury or a disqualification, that is the single worst way for a guy to win a fight in my opinion. It doesn't really tell us anything about the fighters.

Let me just say this first before I get into it.

I think Jose is one of the all time greats, I think he is deserving of respect. Beyond that, I'm basically neutral about him. I think he is a straight killer and a fantastic fighter but I don't consider myself a fan.

I think Connor is a dick, I'm not a fan. I also don't really know what to think of him as a fighter. We know he moves well, we know he hits hard, we know he has suspect take down defense. Beyond I don't care to way in on what I think about him as an overall fighter. Overall I am not a fan.

To put in perspective. I think Jon Jones is a raging asshole, I dislike him on many levels, but I also believe he is probably the greatest MMA fighter in history, and the baddest man on the planet.

So where to begin. I guess first, feck knock outs in the first minute of a fight or so.

I guess I want to vent about the difference between being knocked out, and being outclassed. Often times a fighter gets outclassed, and then they get knocked out. See Holm Rousey as an example of this. Sometimes a fighter just gets knocked out. That's what McGregor Aldo was. Someone just got knocked out. The fight ended before it really began. Thirteen seconds. What did we learn in thirteen seconds? What did we see? We saw what we already knew, Connor has big power. That's all we saw.

I wanted to see these guys fight. Be it for 3 minutes, or 25 minutes. I wanted to see how Connor handled Aldo. We didn't see that. We saw Connor win decisively by knocking him out on his second punch I think. There was no domination, there was no systematic destruction. There was no back and forth. We didn't see the class of either guy, we just saw someone dirtnap 13s into the fight. I have a lot of questions about Connor, I think Aldo poses those questions, and I still think he poses those questions, and I'm pissed off that we didn't get to see them actually dance.

The evidence to support my assertion that these kind of knock out victories are not always telling is abundant. The history of MMA and boxing is littered with cases where a guy knocks someone out seconds into a fight, and then in a rematch gets BATTERED. A most recent memory high profile example of this is Cain vs JDS 1. Now, I'm not suggesting that Aldo is going to do what Cain did to JDS. I do however think that I would really, really, like to see a rematch where these two guys get stuck in and actually see what each other has.

If Connor knocks him out in seconds again, well then, then I think I feel comfortable moving from just knocked out, to knocked out and outclassed. However these sort of early knock outs are so often misleading and so often incorrect predictors of future fights. I feel like we got robbed of the truth. Now, I'm sure that fans of McGregor are happy, they should be, he left Aldo snoring in the middle of the ring. However, I think most neutrals probably feel more than a little disappointed, and I'd also bet that the more honest and discerning McGregor fans probably feel the same way too. Any win is satisfying for your boy, but systematic destruction removes all doubt. An early one punch knock-out isn't a debate killer.

I hope we get to see this rematch. Oh and I'm a pretty big Joe Rogan defender. I thought his handling of the interview was pretty much disgusting. I also thought that Aldo'd meaning regarding it not being a fight was pretty clear. He meant it ended before it really began and that he felt like it wasn't really a fight.
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Sort of get what you mean, but...

A) I doubt people would have been defending Conor like that if roles had been reversed. If he had been knocked out that quickly there would have been no talk about it not really telling us anything and a lot of talk about him being found out.

B) I wouldn't agree that we learned nothing from that fight. We learned that Conor's strengths are formidable even against the very best. There's a reason he was was able to do that to Aldo when nobody else was. We didn't learn any more about McGregor's weaknesses but we did learn that the "Aldo is a different animal and won't get finished that easily" line of thought doesn't hold up.
 
sullydnl said:
Sort of get what you mean, but...

A) I doubt people would have been defending Conor like that if roles had been reversed. If he had been knocked out that quickly there would have been no talk about it not really telling us anything and a lot of talk about him being found out.

B) I wouldn't agree that we learned nothing from that fight. We learned that Conor's strengths are formidable even against the very best. There's a reason he was was able to do that to Aldo when nobody else was. We didn't learn any more about McGregor's weaknesses but we did learn that the "Aldo is a different animal and won't get finished that easily" line of thought doesn't hold up.
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You might be right that Aldo wouldn't get the same questions, but then Aldo is a proven commodity. He's been in wars against absolutely elite guys. He's dismantled absolutely elite guys.

Connor might be the best, he might be what a lot of people are saying he is, but he hasn't PROVEN it yet, there are no clear cut examples. Chad Mendes was a fantastic test, but he was on a 2 week camp. Question mark, was that the best Chad Mendes? What would Chad with a full camp do?

He just knocked Aldo out in 13s, but again, question mark, you cannot put stock in a 13s knockout, unless his name is Mike Tyson and he has made his career from knocking out bums in 13s.

Connor knocks guys out early and often, but not that early. He usually shows he is a class above, through his movement and his technique, THEN he knocks them out. We didn't even get a wiff of that. The point is, guys get caught. Everyone gets caught. Getting caught doesn't automatically mean the other guy is better. That the other guy outclassed you.

Matt Serra caught GSP.

Hasim Rahman caught Lennox Lewis.

JDS caught Cain.

Now granted the first two fights are examples of getting caught well into the fight. None-the-less the whole point about getting caught stands. Sometimes power wins a fight, but that doesn't mean the guy who won is a better fighter. Just that they came out on top on the night. They won the battle, and not the war. In those first two examples, GSP/Serra and Hasim Rahman and Lewis, we KNOW they just got caught, because they were clearly demonstrating they were superior up to that point.

We don't even have that in this fight. We don't know if he got caught, because nothing else happened. They both landed left hands, and one of them went to sleep. I think Aldo's shot was a left anyways.

That's why I'm disappointed.
 
cyberman said:
Apparently the trasnslator fecked over Aldo. He never said it wasn't a fight or anything even resembling that point..
Aldo's head was gone, even if he got up from the shot it would be over soon after. One thing we've learned is Aldo couldn't mentally cope with Conor. What we've learned is Conor's knock out power translates to every opponent and every style. The fact a featherweight has so many knockouts is ridiculous quite frankly.
End of story. Aldo will never recover from this.
People ask all thee questions about Conor and he has to answer this and that but not one opponent has come close to answering the question of how to nullify and counter the strengths of Conor McGregor. This is what happens when you have grapplers who've learned how to box a few years ago v a man who has been doing it all his life.
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In the same token, we saw an out of shape Chad Mendes put Connor on his back at will and hold there at will. An example of someone who has been grappling for a few years versus someone who has been grappling their entire life.

Now, Connor eventually won, but anyone who thinks Chad was anywhere near his best, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

I just want to see Connor in a match with an elite guy, where there are no legitimate excuses like Chad where the luster is taken off the fight, or like Aldo, where something fecking crazy happens 13s in and the fight is over off of one punch.

If Conner flat lined Aldo in the third round, and it wasn't a shot out of the blue against the run of the fight, I'd be sold on him. If Conner won a clear cut UD, I'd be sold on him. If he LOST a close UD, I'd be sold on him. If he lost via stoppage in a back and forth, brutal war, I'd be sold on him.

I saw nothing tonight that makes me say "Wow, ok he's proven it, he's as good as the hype says".
 
Nucks said:
He just knocked Aldo out in 13s, but again, question mark, you cannot put stock in a 13s knockout, unless his name is Mike Tyson and he has made his career from knocking out bums in 13s.

Connor knocks guys out early and often, but not that early. He usually shows he is a class above, through his movement and his technique, THEN he knocks them out. We didn't even get a wiff of that. The point is, guys get caught. Everyone gets caught. Getting caught doesn't automatically mean the other guy is better. That the other guy outclassed you.
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Tbf he has mostly first round stoppages, plus a 4 second ko and a 16 second ko. 18 wins and 16 by ko. He said exactly what would happen...Aldo would overextend on his right, and get caught. Could have been a different fight, maybe...but that left hand is a proven fight finisher by this point, and it's been proven again.

Maybe you're still not buying the hype, and that's fair enough, but he's shown that he has too much power for this weight class. Only time I see him slowing down is when he moves up and loses some of that advantage.

That being said, I see Edgar being his toughest fight at 145, because he's non stop and will push that fight from first to last round.
 
Skizzo said:
Tbf he has mostly first round stoppages, plus a 4 second ko and a 16 second ko. 18 wins and 16 by ko. He said exactly what would happen...Aldo would overextend on his right, and get caught. Could have been a different fight, maybe...but that left hand is a proven fight finisher by this point, and it's been proven again.

Maybe you're still not buying the hype, and that's fair enough, but he's shown that he has too much power for this weight class. Only time I see him slowing down is when he moves up and loses some of that advantage.

That being said, I see Edgar being his toughest fight at 145, because he's non stop and will push that fight from first to last round.
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I'm a fan of Edgar, one of my favorite fighters. I think he would be a handful for Connor too and he's long deserved another title shot. I think however how the UFC is letting their bias shine through right now is absolute bullshite. They have set a sort of precedent with immediate rematches, but I guess it only works when you're liked by the UFC brass.

Here is what I think would happen if Frankie and Connor fought and Frankie won.

Connor would get an immediate rematch regardless of how the fight went down. Aldo won't though. That's kind of fecked up.
 
Nucks said:
I'm a fan of Edgar, one of my favorite fighters. I think he would be a handful for Connor too and he's long deserved another title shot. I think however how the UFC is letting their bias shine through right now is absolute bullshite. They have set a sort of precedent with immediate rematches, but I guess it only works when you're liked by the UFC brass.

Here is what I think would happen if Frankie and Connor fought and Frankie won.

Connor would get an immediate rematch regardless of how the fight went down. Aldo won't though. That's kind of fecked up.
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Yeah it's a bit of a shit setup that they can pick and choose who they want for immediate rematches. Basically if it's still a big money fight, it's getting a rematch. Doesn't matter if it's the right fight, or what is fair based on rankings. There's no situation I can think is legit where Rousey gets an immediate rematch but Aldo wouldn't.

And that's coming from a Mcgregor fan who was more than pleased with him knocking Aldo into next week.
 
George Owen said:
Aldo was an asshole for not trying to take down Conor from the first sec.. trying to strand up with him was a horrible mistake.

fecking Conor you are the man!

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Aldo has fantastic stand up. Getting caught out of the blue like he did in this fight doesn't change that. KO's like that can happen to even the greatest fighters.

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Where the feck is the press conference? I'm bollixed.

After all the shit talk, McGregor was very respectful of Jose, as he always is after his fights. Aldo was the opposite. I lost a bit of respect for him.
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In fairness Aldo would have every right to not be respectful. He's taken a ridiculous amount of shit from McGregor throughout the entire build up. McGregor showing up in Brazil and telling him he will die in his own language among plenty of other stuff. Couldn't really blame Aldo if he had no respect what so ever for McGregor (even though he was clearly focusing on selling the fight with his antics in the build up).

Wouldn't mind a rematch at all, not confident it'll happen though. Didn't tell me too much really. Great shot to knock Aldo but I'm still interested to see them fight again. McGregor showed his lack of stand up defence by getting caught clean right at the start too, IMO that's still a worry for him that a lot of people continue to look past. I'd rather a rematch or him stepping up a division (although there's a worry dos Anjos would ragdoll him. Cerrone/McGregor would be unbelievable in the build up though), not all that excited about McGregor/Edgar fighting although I'm sure he'd soon sell me on it if it was booked.

Expect Weidman feels like shit right now. Shows how one stupid mistake can cost you a fight. Felt he was beginning to take some control in that fight and then he threw a stupid wheel kick which led to Rockhold getting the position he did. No problem with them booking a straight up rematch here.
 
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In fairness Aldo would have every right to not be respectful. He's taken a ridiculous amount of shit from McGregor throughout the entire build up. McGregor showing up in Brazil and telling him he will die in his own language among plenty of other stuff. Couldn't really blame Aldo if he had no respect what so ever for McGregor (even though he was clearly focusing on selling the fight with his antics in the build up)..
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It's not only that though - McGregor's antics clearly got under Aldo's skin. How many times in the build up did Jose say he wanted to come out and kill him? He said it a few times anyway and then he comes flying out of the blocks and leaves himself so vulnerable to what happened. He was fighting angry as opposed to fighting smart and I'm sure that was as much McGregor's plan as promoting the fight was.

If Aldo really has not respect for him, and is planning to go into a rematch with the same anger instead of focusing on what makes him a great fighter himself, then he's best off leaving it alone.
 
In the time it took me to type this, Conor McGregor knocked out Jose Aldo. Still can't quite believe it happened THAT quickly.
 
Mark_GrumpyLion said:
Someone spoiled the Aldo/McGreggor match for me but holy shit, that knockout! :lol:
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I had it spoilt by misclicking on a main event only torrent instead of the one for the whole thing. When I saw the file size was 8MB I knew what happend :lol:
 
Donut said:
I had it spoilt by misclicking on a main event only torrent instead of the one for the whole thing. When I saw the file size was 8MB I knew what happend :lol:
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The file I donwloaded was 20mins long, as the intros went on it started to dawn on me what had happened.
 
Conor said he's gonna KO Aldo in the first round and he did, talks a lot but Conor always backs it up.
 
Sylar said:
I dont see the logic they (rogan) are using. Rousey got knocked out decisively and they couldn't wait to give her a rematch.
But because it was quicker for Aldo, he shouldnt get one? What?
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To be fair, Joe Rogan also said he didn't feel Rousey should get rematch.
 
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