How can Aldo be one of the greats if he walks into a straight left after ten seconds?
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Wrapped up the rest of the PPV. That Weidman match looked brutal. Overall a fun experience, I guess I'll stick around here.
Let's not get carried away...Mcgregor was lucky with a fluke punch. A rematch should definitely be on the cards.
Didn't you want Conor to get beat? Conor is done with Aldo for now, IMO.
Wasn't a fluke either, Aldo got sloppy and Conor caught him, if that's a fluke then most of the KO's are a fluke. Everyone knows Conor has knockout power and he proved that again.
Wasn't Aldo was some fool to fall for that 'fluke punch' McGregor told so many over and over again he'd both catch and finish him with.
Aldo doesn't deserve a rematch for getting caught like that or an immediate one anyways, he should get back in line now again. McGregor beat him well inside and outside the cage and has put an end to all that has gone on all around these two over the last year or so. It's over. McGregor > Aldo.
His great record, amount of elite guys he has beaten, and a decade of dominance is more than enough to make Aldo one of the greats. One bad fight shouldn't nullify all that.
Hindsight is 20/20, so I might be projecting my knowledge of the outcome onto previous events here. But I'm re-watching the entrances and introductions, and Aldo looks so damn scared.
Aldo definitely deserves a rematch but I hate the term 'lucky punch' in combat sports. There's no such thing. Doubly so in this instance as McGregor predicted it exactly.
That was pretty clear, I said it on here, Conor looked good. Aldo looked nervous, Conor really got inside his head.
And I understand everyone saying that Aldo doesn't deserve a rematch, but I so desperately wanted to see a match between them that showcases their talents more, how their various skillsets and facets of their game match up etc.
I remember in Mourinho's first year at Real Madrid where they set up wrong tactically in the first Clasico and Barcelona took them apart 5-0. Yes Barca won fair and square, but you'd much rather a match where Real Madrid played smarter, and didn't leave themselves so exposed by clearly going with the wrong approach. The result of this fight might not change if Aldo hadn't left himself so exposed (in anger, or nervousness, whatever it was), but it would have been a clearer showcase of who is "better".
I remember in Mourinho's first year at Real Madrid where they set up wrong tactically in the first Clasico and Barcelona took them apart 5-0. Yes Barca won fair and square, but you'd much rather a match where Real Madrid played smarter, and didn't leave themselves so exposed by clearly going with the wrong approach. The result of this fight might not change if Aldo hadn't left himself so exposed (in anger, or nervousness, whatever it was), but it would have been a clearer showcase of who is "better".
Yeah I thought the same thing during all the build up. But that being said I'll fully admit I've jumped on the recent UFC bandwagon and have no idea how Aldo usually acts.
I can see myself getting into all this though, its great.
Guarantee if it was the other way round you would be saying told you so
McGregor officially cannot win with some
Next time no matter what he needs to make his fight last longer to win people over
You should subscribe to fight pass and watch some classic fights. If you do put it out there and I'm sure a load of us will be happy to recommend favourite fights
I've only been into the sport about 7 or 8 years now. Mainly because of Brock Lesner. I knew nothing but quickly learned and now it's easily my number two sport
I thought it would be a better fight but all credit to McGregor. Aldo became too emotional and fell straight into that left he should have been aware of that. I feel for him a bit because Conor is a wind up merchant and loves all of the talk. Aldo can't even speak English. I don't think there should be a rematch at least right away I would rather see CM fight someone new. Its just a shame after all of that hype and training that it ended so quickly.
Think I might look into that actually, gonna spend today watching a few recent fights that I have access to from a friend, that fight pass seems pretty cheap.
I didn't read too much into it live, because Aldo always kinda looks like that before a fight. He doesn't usually leer, or grin, or do anything theatrical, so it didn't seem to me that Conor was in his head or anything.
I jumped on the UFC bandwagon about 4/5 years ago when my boy Mark Hunt joined the promotion, I gotta support all my Samoan brothers in every profession. Which is why I watch all of The Rock's movies, even the shit ones. And why I now support Tennessee Titans in NFL.
The question I pose is that given how rattled and nervy Aldo looked, do we still think that his previous delaying of the (originally planned) fight was legit? Or was he genuinely a bit scared?
I don't even think Aldo was sloppy. It's pretty tough to draw conclusions like that on a fight that ended so fast. That's the fight business, anybody can get caught at any time. It's easy to sit and say Aldo was scared, Conor was in his head, Aldo made mistakes etc...but the reality is that the fight didn't go long enough for us to really see how any of those apparent things would have effected this fight. I think people are looking into it too much. For me both men came out, went to exchange and Conor just landed the right punch from the right angle.
This fight got people emotionally invested. Step outside of that and you realise this was a fight between two great fighters. On another day it could have easily be Aldo knocking out Conor IMO or could have gone longer. It's early days but I stick by what I said earlier, I'm not convinced what so ever we'll see a rematch (at least anytime soon that is). Conor has his win and has constantly spoke about going up a division for a 'superfight'.
IMO the best result for the UFC will be Cerrone beating dos Anjos because a McGregor/Cerrone fight and build up will be incredible and likely the best of any build up McGregor has had in the UFC. Sadly I think dos Anjos will beat Cerrone.
Yeah I think that's about right. Too many people letting emotion cloud their opinion. Both great fighters. Aldo got caught. It happens.
Ignorant and disrespectful to suggest Aldo was scared too.
Ignorant and disrespectful to suggest Aldo was scared too.
I thought Aldo would destroy Connor, but I was impressed with Connor as the announcements were going on. He looked happy as Larry and not one bit phased. He ran to the centre of the octagon like he did with Chad and he ko'd Aldo like he said. Aldo is a legend. Anyone who seen him in the WEC days knows he was a cut above the rest, but he backed out of the first fight and got knocked out in 13 seconds in the second. I don't see him getting an immediate rematch. Whoever Connor fights next is going to be a lot richer anyway. I would love it to be Cerrone coz he's an entertaining shit talker like Connor, but I think it's going to be Frankie.
It's unlikely because we know Conor can take a punch. Mendes landed huge shots and it didn't seem to faze him. He's long said in his interviews he doesn't feel the power of the guys in his division.
It was far from lucky. Mcgregor predicted it would happen exactly like that and it did.
It was poor from Aldo to get caught so early on, someone with all that experience should know not to leave himself so open especially against a guy renowned for being a great striker.
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My respect for Conor is soaring at the moment. Not just for the win but also for the way he conducted himself after. First walking up to Aldo and gesturing that they will do "one more" fight , then his on set interview with The Fox Sports 1 crew (DC, Bisping etc). That said, there's no way a rematch isn't warranted. Aldo is still a great fighter as Conor himself said in the post fight. I can definitely see Dana and Lorenzo shafting Aldo for his previous cancellations by giving Conor the Edgar fight, which imo would be a mistake. They should give Conor a 6 month break and schedule Edgar against Aldo in March, then have the winner face Conor in the summer.
Edgar really shouldn't have to fight anyone else to get his title shot but the ufc might let them have it out whilst Mcgregor takes a fight at lightweight then win or lose he could come back down to defend the title (maybe even as a 2 weight champion).
You can't be serious can you?
He seen the opening and countered faster than Aldo could land, a fluke it wasn't. It wasn't as if he had his head down and just swung a hopeful punch, he seen Aldo make a mistake and pounced on his jaw.
Aldo certainly deserves a rematch but then Edgar probably deserves the title shot he was promised too.
Surely the best thing for the division would be to have Edgar fight McGregor first while Aldo fights someone else, then McGregor V Aldo afterwards? Aldo has been champion for so long that it makes sense to mix things up a bit now that he has been dethroned.
Plus, do people really want to go through the McGregor v Aldo build up for a third time so soon after the first two times? Don't think that would make sense from the UFC's point of view.
Surely the best thing for the division would be to have Edgar fight McGregor first while Aldo fights someone else, then McGregor V Aldo afterwards? Aldo has been champion for so long that it makes sense to mix things up a bit now that he has been dethroned.
Plus, do people really want to go through the McGregor v Aldo build up for a third time so soon after the first two times? Don't think that would make sense from the UFC's point of view.
It would be years before he works his way up to fight for the UFC 155 titile, he would surely have to go through several fights with the likes of Cowboy and others in order to get to whoever the champs is. I don't think Edgar is as good as Aldo, especially with the latter now incentivized to fight for his own legacy. If he beats Conor in a rematch, yesterday's win will be seen as a bit flukey, sort of in the same vein as Dos Santos/Velasquez 1.
It was definitely a target of opportunity moment that worked for Conor. All credit to him. The crowd however deserved a longer fight which is why there's no way a rematch wont happen.
Will be interesting to see if he wins RTE sports person of the year next weekend. I think he deserves it. But I'm not sure most of the country will agree
Man that fight didn't sink in all night, found it hard to sleep. Just watched the event again, My thoughts:
Max Holloway vs. Jeremy Stephens
Although not dazzling, Max was very efficient and did enough to win. We all know Dana won't let him into title contention because it wasn't spectacular by any means but I can see him fighting Money Mendes next and then possibly a title shot if he wins that.
Damian Maia vs. Gunnar Nelson
What the crap was Gunni thinking? His strategy was as stupid as Ronda's vs. Holm. His best chance would have been in the stand up striking department and instead he was just happy letting the fight go to ground where Maia is levels above in terms of skill and experience. It's like having a drag race against a Ferrari when you own a BMW. Completely idiotic.
Yoel Romero vs. Jacare Souza
Man these two look like two scary dudes that should be villains in a Sly Stallone action flick. Gay Jesus caught Souza with a spinning fist that would probably kill other fighters and then some heavy ground and pound. However, as usual, there was controversy surrounding the fight. The grabbing of the cage made a big difference and I think he should have been docked a point for that. The second round was pretty even otherwise and Jacare definitely won the final round. He should have gone for the knockout when Yoel's tank was empty, but instead went for the takedown and left the decision in the judges hands, which is never a good idea. I thought it could have been a draw. Suffice to say, Yoel will have no chance against Rockhold if it goes past the first round.
Luke Rockhold vs. Chris Weidman
The fight started very even with Chris just about stealing round one. Rockhold came back and took the second with devastating kicks. Weidman was winning the third but then suddenly Vitor Belfort mind-controlled him into doing a retarded spinning kick and that marked the end. Weidman's face and possible future brain damage should be put firmly on the shoulders of Herb Dean. I think Herb was the ref in the Conor vs. Chad fight and the situation was very similar. Was end of the round and both fighters were just there covering up. He stopped the Chad fight within a few shots but let Weidman take shot after shot and didn't intervene. Was always going to be a matter of time before Luke won and I'm glad he did in the end.
Conor McGregor vs. Jose Aldo
So the main event started and I was sitting there with butterflies in my stomach and my cock in my hand. Waited so damn long for this... I don't know why people are saying Aldo looked scared coming in. He always looks like this during fights. Conor however looked like he was happy as Larry... nerves of steel indeed! And then... I waited up all night for that! Heck waited 9 months for that... My brother (who doesn't really watch UFC) sat down to watch the fight with me and I was explaining to him that Aldo is undefeated in 10 years and is amazing, P4P the best fighter in the world etc. then he saw that, stood up and left the room saying "yeah Aldo is great"
I do feel that the UFC are really disrespecting Aldo though. I personally don't feel he deserves a rematch as I don't think it's fair for someone to have to beat the champ twice to be legit but Ronda lost just as spectacularly to Holm. Yes it lasted longer but that just meant more of a beating yet the UFC couldn't wait to announce the rematch. Cain got bodied by Werdum yet straight away gets a rematch. Spider lost to Weidman cleanly but got a rematch. Barao got schooled by TJ but got an instant rematch (although he missed weight and it didn't happen). Jose has been a great champion for 10 years, beating the best of the best the division had to offer and it just wasn't his night but if all these others got their rematch then surely Jose deserves a chance to rectify this fight?
I feel the UFC will push Conor into Lightweight division and let Jose and Edgar fight for the title. Unless they let Conor be a simultaneous two weight champ... but that in itself with show biased favouritism.
What a night!
Max Holloway vs. Jeremy Stephens
Although not dazzling, Max was very efficient and did enough to win. We all know Dana won't let him into title contention because it wasn't spectacular by any means but I can see him fighting Money Mendes next and then possibly a title shot if he wins that.
Damian Maia vs. Gunnar Nelson
What the crap was Gunni thinking? His strategy was as stupid as Ronda's vs. Holm. His best chance would have been in the stand up striking department and instead he was just happy letting the fight go to ground where Maia is levels above in terms of skill and experience. It's like having a drag race against a Ferrari when you own a BMW. Completely idiotic.
Yoel Romero vs. Jacare Souza
Man these two look like two scary dudes that should be villains in a Sly Stallone action flick. Gay Jesus caught Souza with a spinning fist that would probably kill other fighters and then some heavy ground and pound. However, as usual, there was controversy surrounding the fight. The grabbing of the cage made a big difference and I think he should have been docked a point for that. The second round was pretty even otherwise and Jacare definitely won the final round. He should have gone for the knockout when Yoel's tank was empty, but instead went for the takedown and left the decision in the judges hands, which is never a good idea. I thought it could have been a draw. Suffice to say, Yoel will have no chance against Rockhold if it goes past the first round.
Luke Rockhold vs. Chris Weidman
The fight started very even with Chris just about stealing round one. Rockhold came back and took the second with devastating kicks. Weidman was winning the third but then suddenly Vitor Belfort mind-controlled him into doing a retarded spinning kick and that marked the end. Weidman's face and possible future brain damage should be put firmly on the shoulders of Herb Dean. I think Herb was the ref in the Conor vs. Chad fight and the situation was very similar. Was end of the round and both fighters were just there covering up. He stopped the Chad fight within a few shots but let Weidman take shot after shot and didn't intervene. Was always going to be a matter of time before Luke won and I'm glad he did in the end.
Conor McGregor vs. Jose Aldo
So the main event started and I was sitting there with butterflies in my stomach and my cock in my hand. Waited so damn long for this... I don't know why people are saying Aldo looked scared coming in. He always looks like this during fights. Conor however looked like he was happy as Larry... nerves of steel indeed! And then...
I waited up all night for that! Heck waited 9 months for that... My brother (who doesn't really watch UFC) sat down to watch the fight with me and I was explaining to him that Aldo is undefeated in 10 years and is amazing, P4P the best fighter in the world etc. then he saw that, stood up and left the room saying "yeah Aldo is great" I do feel that the UFC are really disrespecting Aldo though. I personally don't feel he deserves a rematch as I don't think it's fair for someone to have to beat the champ twice to be legit but Ronda lost just as spectacularly to Holm. Yes it lasted longer but that just meant more of a beating yet the UFC couldn't wait to announce the rematch. Cain got bodied by Werdum yet straight away gets a rematch. Spider lost to Weidman cleanly but got a rematch. Barao got schooled by TJ but got an instant rematch (although he missed weight and it didn't happen). Jose has been a great champion for 10 years, beating the best of the best the division had to offer and it just wasn't his night but if all these others got their rematch then surely Jose deserves a chance to rectify this fight?
I feel the UFC will push Conor into Lightweight division and let Jose and Edgar fight for the title. Unless they let Conor be a simultaneous two weight champ... but that in itself with show biased favouritism.
What a night!
It would take years for McGregor? Nah, they've already said he can fight the winner of the lightweight title fight between Dos Anjos and Cerrone if he wants. It's either that or take the Edgar fight first, apparently.
If he moves up to lightweight he will almost definitely get an immediate title fight. The champ could well be Cowboy
Didn't Dana say after the fight that Conor would get a title fight first thing if he moves up?
Can't see it happening, even if they say it could. First, Conor has to complete the 145 cycle and deal with Aldo and Edgar, which would take at least a year or more. Assuming he doesn't lose (which is a big if, he would then have to deal with a 155 warm up fight. I don't think he would be given a title shot right off the bat, again even though Dana etc say its a possibility, i think its just hype/bluster to get people interested in the idea.
Yeah Herb Dean had a mare. Shit like that adds fuel to the sports detractors. Weidman was done at the end of round 3 and it shouldn't been called before the buzzer.
This aul shite again. McGregor was not training for a wrestler. He was training for Aldo. He didn't have a proper camp either and had to do huge media obligations. Mendes took the fight claiming he was always fit. If he had of had a full camp maybe he gets to the third round, but more than likely he gets knocked out.
You come across as really bitter about McGregor. You've been spouting shite about him in this thread for ages. It must've absolutely sickened you to see him win.
It's really not. Like I said earlier, they'll do what's best for making money. The idea of having their poster boy a 2 weight champion will have Dana twitching in his pants.
Added to which it protects their investment a bit more if he does lose and still has the featherweight belt.
The logic I presume is that there isn't anyone that can really challenge Holm other than Rousey. They are way above anyone else on the roster.
McGregor could fight numerous different guys who would all be worth a shot... Edgar being the obvious one.
I don't see any more money in him going for 2 belts against a relatively unmarketable lot at 155 than what they could pull in with an Aldo rematch. Aldo is still near the top of the pound for pound list after this and no different a challenge in a rematch. What would however be a calamitous risk for Dana is if Conor loses a rematch vs Aldo, which would instantly knock him down a peg and throw a wrench into future plans.
A fluke punch? Are you for real? McGregor predicted that exact punch. He trained for it. He practised it. He visualised it in his mind countless times. That is anything but a fluke.