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Desert Eagle said:
:lol: tbf She is quite polarizing and Rogan and the UFC hype machine is definitely in full Ronda Rousey is the greatest woman ever mode.
And she has been beating "cans" as he put it. holly holmes will be no different. I saw her debut fight and unless she's improved by an insane amount, there is no way in hell she's getting the W. I'm sure the pre fight odds will reflect that.
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Apart from Cyborg, which will happen if and when she makes weight who do think she could have faced. She is cleaning out the division
 
Randall Flagg said:
Apart from Cyborg, which will happen if and when she makes weight who do think she could have faced. She is cleaning out the division
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Fair point. I think most fans would have preferred tate part 3 but given its also about the Benjamins I can see the attraction of a having Rousey smash another "contender "
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Anyone watch TUF? Some pretty good fighters.
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im watching TUF latin america... 3rd episode is aired tonight.
Broken bones in the second episode! :D

ps. got to say, im surprised with Kelvin Gastelum. So far quite intelligent to pick his fihters and stuff.

ps2. there is one guy from Spain... :lol: I really cant imagine a spanish fighter. Its like a french or italian fighter... they dont exist!
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Anyone watch TUF? Some pretty good fighters.
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Aye, Ryan Hall is already a well renowned bjj wizard. Seeing him drop for a heel hook like that and get it so quickly was beautiful. Doubt he'll win the show unless he has better striking than I'm giving him credit for but it should definitely be interesting to watch him. I also liked the look of some of the other guys, especially on the European team.
 
"Juicy J" :lol:

finished the first episode... pretty good. I think in general the level of the americans is higher, but good level overall across all fighters. The manchester guy looks like he can make things happen.

if i had to pick just one guy who impressed me the most, i think was the body hairy dude. Forgot the name.
 
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Nick Diaz suspended for 5 years for flagging positive for marijuana prior to the Silva fight. Commishioner originally proposed he be banned for life. Silva got a year for PED's btw.

Ridiculous.
 
JP77 said:
Nick Diaz suspended for 5 years for flagging positive for marijuana prior to the Silva fight. Commishioner originally proposed he be banned for life. Silva got a year for PED's btw.

Ridiculous.
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That's unbelievably backwards. Sounds about right for the Nevada State Athletic Commission then.
 
i know weed is miraculous, but never a sport performance booster. On the contrary. :nervous:

Can it be used to mask other substances? was his first offence?

any way, a ridiculous punishment if Peds give you just 1 year.
 
JP77 said:
Nick Diaz suspended for 5 years for flagging positive for marijuana prior to the Silva fight. Commishioner originally proposed he be banned for life. Silva got a year for PED's btw.

Ridiculous.
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NSAC are corrupt, news at ten! :p It's pretty fecking disgusting how transparent they are and don't care.
 
He's also been busted before, promising it wouldn't happen again... twice. He refused to answer just about every question and just chose to plead the fifth each time.

Complete tool. Good riddance.
 
Earthquake said:
Third, second in the UFC.
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Skizzo said:
He's also been busted before, promising it wouldn't happen again... twice. He refused to answer just about every question and just chose to plead the fifth each time.

Complete tool. Good riddance.
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in that case, i guess its deserved.

even if it was just for recreational use, the rules (sometimes not perfect) are clear and the same for everybody.
 
fontaine said:
its his 3rd repeated offense ffs

should be more than 5 yrs
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Feck off, they absolutely screwed him, simply because his lawyer made them look like the idiots they are. They are a joke; Chael popped twice for steroids and they almost offered him a job, With Mayweather it looked like they may have actually sucked his dick at one point, Anderson offers some stupid excuse about a mysterious Thai sex drug and they only give him a year.

If the NSAC handed out punishment equally, then at least it would be harder to argue against their decisions...but they don't, and simply gave Diaz that punishment because they felt "disrespected". Idiots.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I've never understood why they test for THC. Is there any evidence anywhere that it enhances performance? If not, then why test for it?
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No I think they argument is that it can absorb pain better

I dont agree, but I believe that is the reasoning

Really hope they can get this changed to something like a year with 4 years as a suspended sentence.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I've never understood why they test for THC. Is there any evidence anywhere that it enhances performance? If not, then why test for it?
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The best part is Diaz passed TWO WADA tests, and failed the commission's unaccredited post fight test...wtf? I watched it live and it was a mess, this guy from reddit has a good summary:

Test 1: Pre-fight, 7:33pm. WADA accredited, anonymous, negative for marijuana, far under.

Test 2: Post-fight, 10:38pm. Not accredited or regulated, not anonymous, not properly sealed, positive for marijuana (THC metabolites TEN times higher than Test 1).

Test 3: 11:55pm (less than 90 minutes after test 2). WADA accredited, anonymous, negative and consistent with Test 1.

The NSAC didn't even look at Test 1 and 3, but instead brought charges only on the unaccredited test that consistently broke protocol.

Regardless of the NSAC's decision, they are making drug testing look about as efficient and functional as the TSA.

Edited with updates for those not watching live.

The most accredited doctor (who analyzes for criminal/court testing) stated that this shouldn't even be questioned, but treated as a negative result.

Update: Nick is wisely pleading the 5th amendment, and they keep asking him questions. This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard in a hearing.

The NSAC is literally arguing that Diaz may have came in clean, used marijuana directly before/during/after his fight, then drank enough water to OVERDOSE in 80 minutes. Lundvall just stated that Quest (the old method) is more sophisticated than WADA accredited SMRTL.

They're building a guilty verdict based on Nick pleading the 5th, saying that it implies that he lied in his pre-fight questionnaire (based on the test results that don't stand up scientifically).

Lundvall is continuing building their agenda based on his past hearing results and proposing a LIFETIME BAN and taking 33% of his purse.

Lundvall is debating with other commission members trying to get them to support a lifetime ban for marijuana use.

Nick Diaz was just suspended for 5 years and fined $500,000 for a positive marijuana test taken between 2 negative marijuana tests.

This was the most distorted, biased, and unconstitutional hearing I've ever seen. The argument wasn't if Diaz was guilty or not, it was if 1 positive, unaccredited test result was even worth looking into when sandwiched between 2 negative accredited results on the same day. They built their own narrative and hung him on it. There is literally no purpose to having an athletic commission right now.
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I think it's a complete overreaction considering what others, including the guy he fought last, get for PEDs - a slap on the wrist. I know it's a repeat offence but I'd still look more lightly on a repeat marajuana user over a one time PED user... then you have repeat steroid users who also never got 5 years...

Fighters should refuse to compete in Nevada, take a stand.
 
justboy68 said:
Aye, Ryan Hall is already a well renowned bjj wizard. Seeing him drop for a heel hook like that and get it so quickly was beautiful. Doubt he'll win the show unless he has better striking than I'm giving him credit for but it should definitely be interesting to watch him. I also liked the look of some of the other guys, especially on the European team.
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Ryah Hall is just a brilliant JJ fighter. Hi transitions and leg locks are out of this world. Reminds me of Rani Yahia when he won the ADCC.
 
Moments after the Nevada Athletic Commission handed Nick Diaz a controversial five-year suspension, the popular fighter opened up to MMAFighting.com, perhaps like never before.

Here's what Diaz had to say:

"I'm the only one who's invested in a fight life. That's why none of these other guys can ever say shit. They're too worried about what their families and their wives and the people around them will think, so they're too scared to speak up. That's why I invested everything in my fight life. That's why I come off the way I do and always have.

Every other fighter has a life on the side. I've never had another job. I didn't graduate eighth grade. I could have, but I got into too many fights in middle school.

My mom and dad taught me nothing but ABCs. I was moved from school to school, put on drugs and made fun of by classmates because after being disruptive in class the teachers would always tell the other kids I was on meds and sometimes don't take them.

That's fecked up. You don't know what that does to someone. I wanted to beat up everyone in class, even the girls who would say things like, 'What's wrong? You didn't take your medication?'

I had to get inter-district agreements to stay in the same school because my mom would lose her house and I'd have to move in with my grandparents in Lodi.

You know what it's like to move into a preppy Lodi school after being in a ghetto Stockton school with black and Asian kids?

They would try to get me kicked out and put me on drugs. My sixth grade class was the first school responsible for imposing all of the mandatory outfits for kids. There was no one like me there when I got in the high school. I would get in fights with kids from that same school and get kicked out of high school.

I had a really hot girlfriend and was very self-conscious about what I was wearing and couldn't afford nice things and got in fights because her ex-boyfriend was a year older and the mascot on the football team, so the coaches would tell the football players that I was bad news and they would start shit. A lot of them were on steroids, a lot of them were Mexican gangbangers people who were on meth and getting stabbed.

Before anybody in my class made it out of high school, I was in a continuation, which I also got kicked out of because my friend Bart was also in the class and got into a big fight, which the teacher had to break up and did not want either of us in the school anymore, so I tried homeschool but that was never going to work. I was so far behind, it was never going to happen and by then I was training to be a pro fighter. My girlfriend knew it but had started dating Bart to make me jealous. He had a gun and neither of us wanted to piss him off because he would walk around with it.

Before I ever had my first pro fight, July 5, 2000, Bart had a party at his house. The night before, Stephanie had told me she loved me. After the party, I was gonna go back to her house with her brother -- he was my best friend -- but some friends weren't doing well and headed to my house. So I had to go.

An hour later I got a call from her mom saying, 'Are you with Stephanie?' She came straight to my house to get me, took me up and down the Frontage Road on Highway 99 by my Grandma's house next to their trailer park.

There was a wreck on the freeway. I jumped the fence and saw only one car and ambulances.

She had walked and killed herself on the freeway. The girl I loved more than anything had tried to kill herself for the third time and succeeded.

She was gonna go to college. She was an avid student and and was doing everything I couldn't while living in a trailer park where everyone was doing dope. Meanwhile, I focused my whole high school years worried about what her and her friends would think if I lost a fight to her ex-boyfriend and football friends. I could never make attendance, hung out with the wrong people to hold my ground as a fighter and someone who I would fight for was important to me.

There was no way I was gonna go to school. I had no money, no car. I would have driven there and stopped her. After that, I was grown up. It was all over. I wasn't a kid anymore. I won my first fight in the first round with a choke and all I could think about was her, just like when I was in school.

I would run seven miles and back to her grave just to promise her I would make it as a fighter like she knew and had told me she knew and was proud of me.

So this sport and this commission have done everything to stop me from being in the position that I belong. That's the only reason why I haven't stayed in that position and come off as the fighter and person that I know I am and can be.

They suspended me for a third time. For five fecking years for something that makes the whole world a better place.

I've been investing in that understanding from the beginning. And I'm not going to start being someone that I'm not.

Honestly, I wanted to get up and walk out on the third question, but I didn't do that. Now I have to deal with that. These guys advised me not to do that.

I wanted to get up and tell them what I think about them to their face. I didn't do that. And now I have to live with that.

I'm the original Conor McGregor. I'm the original model of Conor McGregor. He wouldn't be who he is if it wasn't for me. Nothing against him. I'm the original real deal. I never did steroids in my entire life. I had to learn how to fight the real way and the right way. That's way I'm the best fighter in the entire world.

Guys like Conor, who are gonna make more money than me can see how to do it, as well as negotiate what they want in their contract using a team and agency and lawyers instead of their crooked jiu-jitsu trainer and coach, who was my manager for the majority of my career except for my last fight when I found the right agency on my own and signed with them, and I didn't even graduate the motherfecking eighth grade.

But in the end, I'm just upset I can't be there for my brother right now since he's gonna be fighting soon. It's my bad he even got into this sport and he gets his face kicked in and they don't even pay him.
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Nick Diaz opens old wounds on a dark day in his career
 
Henry Cejudo refuses to compete in Nevada from now on due to the Diaz suspension. If more fighters start to follow suit... who knows... something big could be brewing.
 
Nick Diaz passed two reliable tests and failed one test which is not done by USADA standards and was deemed as unreliable by the NSAC in the Anderson Silva case. Of course the commission had a special clause which is basically "Go screw yourself" which was activated after they were embarrassed. I feel sorry for Diaz because his dream has been ruined by farcical self-importance.
 
5 years is harsh but everyone knows it's banned (as stupid as that may be) and it's his 3rd time.

As for the test not being relliable, has Diaz denied taking weed? The ones he passed are the ones which should be investigated,
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He sounds fecked in the head. No surprises there, then. He also seems to accept he tested positive. He can't crap on about being "invested in a fight life" if he's not willing to make the sacrifices needed to fight professionally.
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He has clearly comitted to it considering he has been fighting for over 10 years and has a shit ton of fights.

He passed two drug tests, and failed one. The one he failed was by Quest, which the Commission themselves said was unreliable. So why the feck would you pick out one failed test, out of 3, and choose the least reliable one to hang the guy with? The failed test is the anomaly and it's clear why they ran with it if you watched the hearing, they hate it when you don't bend over backwards for them. It's a joke.
 
duffer said:
5 years is harsh but everyone knows it's banned (as stupid as that may be) and it's his 3rd time.

As for the test not being relliable, has Diaz denied taking weed? The ones he passed are the ones which should be investigated,
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Why would he deny smoking weed? He has a medical license for it. The issue is if it was in his system during competition. Two tests, of a more strict and comprehensive nature say it wasn't. One test which has been called unreliable says it was. What's the anomaly?
 
PhilipB said:
He has clearly comitted to it considering he has been fighting for over 10 years and has a shit ton of fights.

He passed two drug tests, and failed one. The one he failed was by Quest, which the Commission themselves said was unreliable. So why the feck would you pick out one failed test, out of 3, and choose the least reliable one to hang the guy with? The failed test is the anomaly and it's clear why they ran with it if you watched the hearing, they hate it when you don't bend over backwards for them. It's a joke.
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If he was properly committed to it he'd stop smoking weed. Maybe not after the first time he was busted for it but definitely after the second. That's not a big sacrifice to make. It's not as though fighters have long careers. He's got the rest of his life to smoke as many spliffs as he wants.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If he was properly committed to it he'd stop smoking weed. Maybe not after the first time he was busted for it but definitely after the second. That's not a big sacrifice to make. It's not as though fighters have long careers. He's got the rest of his life to smoke as many spliffs as he wants.
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Umm...if you think Nick Diaz hasn't committed to fighting then I dunno what to say, his record speaks for itself. Secondly, weed clearly helps or medicates him, whatever you want to say, and the science for testing if he was high during competition is shaky at best anyhow. He still passed two tests, held to the highest standards and failed one that has been deemed unreliable. Why would you pick the failed test? You can't answer that because there is no good reason to do so.

What is the problem here? Because if you think it's Diaz and not the stupid rules/commission then I can't disagree more with you.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If he was properly committed to it he'd stop smoking weed. Maybe not after the first time he was busted for it but definitely after the second. That's not a big sacrifice to make. It's not as though fighters have long careers. He's got the rest of his life to smoke as many spliffs as he wants.
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Mate you should smoke a joint with me. Your take on this would change massively!
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Tbf this quote sums up his attitude to both weed and mma....
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That's awesome. I think it's really sad that we can lose someone like him from the sport altogether simply because of something like this. Although I think I remember reading somewhere that he hated fighting but enjoyed running, swimming etc and he'd do that instead if he could get paid the same for it.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Mate you should smoke a joint with me. Your take on this would change massively!
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:D

I'll be getting stoned as a coot, as soon as the kids go to bed this evening. I've been in love with weed for over 20 years. I'd give it up tomorrow to be a professional athlete though. Or at the very least give it up for several months before each event.
 
Still baffled by the ruling. They shouldn't even by testing for week much less maliciously using it as an excuse to effectively end a fighter's career. Disgraceful bellendry.
 
There are apparently 5 separate MMA events planned for the week of Aldo-McGregor including a Bellator. Should be an amazing week.
 
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