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The only Aldo in Las Vegas right now!
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Pogue Mahone said:
On that basis alone he should be every neutral fan's favourite. Infinitely more entertaining fighter than Mendes.

Of course, the gobby twat thing will go against him in this weird era we live in where people choose their sporting favourites based upon their personality.
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Agree with most of this. Actually think the gobby twat thing works in favor of gaining fans. Definitely helps sell fights. People love gobby twats, especially the ones that can back it up.
 
Conor's reaction to Aldo - Mendes 2



At the time I thought I saw him clapping a lot. Seemed very respectful of both fighters and didn't try to downplay them.
 
Tbf he'd be an ridiculous liar if he said he wasn't impressed by that fight, it was epic.
 
George Owen said:
But the use of it, will result in bigger and stronger bodies if that's the goal. More stamina = more time in the gym = faster results whatever you are looking for.

edit: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/3/1...s-who-dont-use-peds-cant-compete-ufc-steroids

might be a biased opinion, but i think you don't go and say something like that unless you can back it up.
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I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

EPO has nothing to do with gaining mass, EPO is not a steroid, it is a type of protein/hormone that increases the delivery of oxygen to muscles, this gives you a much higher threshold to lactic acid, it is the go to PED for endurance athletes. TRT is not the only synthetic test athletes use, most in fact, do not use TRT. They are using designer test with masking agents.

Moreover, there are plenty of steroids that also DO NOT cause you to gain mass. Judging someone by their body is absolutely not the way to tell if someone is on gear. Weidman could be juiced to the gills and you would never know it by looking at him. Lance Armstrong was on EPO, HGH and steroids. He totally looked like a body builder with an unnatural body right?

In fact, the primary use of steroids for most of these guys, isn't to build bigger stronger muscles. That defeats the purpose of training for most of these guys whose goal is to stay at a certain weight range. Their goal is to tune their bodies to be the most high performance they can while staying at a certain weight. What steroids and HGH does for these guys, is allows them to train harder, but also, and this is probably more important, RECOVER MORE QUICKLY. For these athletes the gains in terms of mass are unwanted, what is wanted is the turn around time of a 16 year old. You remember when you were 16 and you could play 3 full basketball/football(soccer) games in a single day and go full blast with just a couple hours of recovery between them? Ya, that's what these guys want.

The reality is the majority of high performance professional athletes in any sport are on something illegal.
 
Nucks said:
I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

EPO has nothing to do with gaining mass, EPO is not a steroid, it is a type of protein/hormone that increases the delivery of oxygen to muscles, this gives you a much higher threshold to lactic acid, it is the go to PED for endurance athletes. TRT is not the only synthetic test athletes use, most in fact, do not use TRT. They are using designer test with masking agents.

Moreover, there are plenty of steroids that also DO NOT cause you to gain mass. Judging someone by their body is absolutely not the way to tell if someone is on gear. Weidman could be juiced to the gills and you would never know it by looking at him. Lance Armstrong was on EPO, HGH and steroids. He totally looked like a body builder with an unnatural body right?

In fact, the primary use of steroids for most of these guys, isn't to build bigger stronger muscles. That defeats the purpose of training for most of these guys whose goal is to stay at a certain weight range. Their goal is to tune their bodies to be the most high performance they can while staying at a certain weight. What steroids and HGH does for these guys, is allows them to train harder, but also, and this is probably more important, RECOVER MORE QUICKLY. For these athletes the gains in terms of mass are unwanted, what is wanted is the turn around time of a 16 year old. You remember when you were 16 and you could play 3 full basketball/football(soccer) games in a single day and go full blast with just a couple hours of recovery between them? Ya, that's what these guys want.

The reality is the majority of high performance professional athletes in any sport are on something illegal.
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How is that different from what I'm saying? a short-cut to your goals.

I have no doubt plenty fighters have been juicing, maybe some of the fighters i cheer for... like DC or even the young Jake Mathews. GSP retiring just at the same time the testing system got improved raise question marks as well about the old days (and those fighters some might think never juiced, like GSP or Silva, because of course there is no doubt about plenty others doing it).

But none of that matter now. UFC is getting serious and i don't think i need to prove it to you.

Big names retiring, plenty of fighters claiming injuries and more importantly, fighters failing drug tests. That's all result of the rooster adapting to the new rules.

Now they have to think twice before juicing anything illegal. For those fighting for important things, is clearly not worth the risk. And lets not even speak about UFC. For them its not worth the trouble any more to cover up.


ps. Until proven wrong, i still think Weidman was/is a clean motherfecker.
 
Nucks said:
I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

EPO has nothing to do with gaining mass, EPO is not a steroid, it is a type of protein/hormone that increases the delivery of oxygen to muscles, this gives you a much higher threshold to lactic acid, it is the go to PED for endurance athletes. TRT is not the only synthetic test athletes use, most in fact, do not use TRT. They are using designer test with masking agents.

Moreover, there are plenty of steroids that also DO NOT cause you to gain mass. Judging someone by their body is absolutely not the way to tell if someone is on gear. Weidman could be juiced to the gills and you would never know it by looking at him. Lance Armstrong was on EPO, HGH and steroids. He totally looked like a body builder with an unnatural body right?
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George Owen said:
How is that different from what I'm saying? a short-cut to your goals.
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Because on the previous page your reasoning for him not being on anything was

Weidman on drugs would be double the size.
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Skizzo said:
Because on the previous page your reasoning for him not being on anything was
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yeah because more stamina and faster recovery (thx to banned substances) means more time in the gym and more work per hour, so Weidman who probably works at his 100% already, could work at a 120% and probably would look different than how he looks now and has been looking since college days. Double the size might be a bit exaggerated of course, but more ripped, leaner, deformed... Something like that.
 
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George Owen said:
yeah because more stamina and faster recovery (thx to banned substances) means more time in the gym and more work per hour, so Weidman who probably works at his 100% already, could work at a 120% and probably would look different than how he looks now and has been looking since college days.
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In fact, the primary use of steroids for most of these guys, isn't to build bigger stronger muscles. That defeats the purpose of training for most of these guys whose goal is to stay at a certain weight range. Their goal is to tune their bodies to be the most high performance they can while staying at a certain weight
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All of this was in the comment you responded to earlier...which you said was the same as what you were saying...which appears to not be the same as what you're saying :lol:

I get the point you're trying to make...that taking substances would mean he could work harder, having an impact on his body and shape etc...but he wouldn't want to do that since he'd be trying to stay within a certain weight range. The added benefit of training with substance means he has the endurance/recovery to train and work for extended periods of time...not to lift weights, but train on the ground, or stand up etc etc.

Personally, I hope he is clean...I hope there's plenty of others that are. I wouldn't be shocked to find otherwise anymore though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
On that basis alone he should be every neutral fan's favourite. Infinitely more entertaining fighter than Mendes.

Of course, the gobby twat thing will go against him in this weird era we live in where people choose their sporting favourites based upon their personality.
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I can see why he annoys people, he does go over the top sometimes but that's the nature of it when you're trying to sell fights I guess. But I thought his humour was pretty typical Irish, taking the piss out of people all the time and having a laugh. After he fights someone he's usually dead on towards them, he gave Siver a hug at the post fight press conference when it was over. Some fan at the open workouts yesterday posted that he stood for ages signing whatever anyone wanted whereas most other fighters just did the work out and left.

But some of my favourite fighters seem to be the ones who divide opinion the most - Jon Jones, the Diaz brothers, McGregor - so wtf do I know?!
 
PhilipB said:
I can see why he annoys people, he does go over the top sometimes but that's the nature of it when you're trying to sell fights I guess. But I thought his humour was pretty typical Irish, taking the piss out of people all the time and having a laugh. After he fights someone he's usually dead on towards them, he gave Siver a hug at the post fight press conference when it was over. Some fan at the open workouts yesterday posted that he stood for ages signing whatever anyone wanted whereas most other fighters just did the work out and left.

But some of my favourite fighters seem to be the ones who divide opinion the most - Jon Jones, the Diaz brothers, McGregor - so wtf do I know?!
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Yeah, I think a lot of his humour is lost on people who aren't Irish. Mind you, I think his abrasive self-belief and confidence also alienates a lot of Irish people. We like our heroes to be humble under-dogs.

I think he'll always divide opinions. Strong characters always do and he's a hell of a strong character!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, I think a lot of his humour is lost on people who aren't Irish. Mind you, I think his abrasive self-belief and confidence also alienates a lot of Irish people. We like our heroes to be humble under-dogs.

I think he'll always divide opinions. Strong characters always do and he's a hell of a strong character!
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Aye, mentioned that in a different thread. Annoying as feck, here's a guy that went from the dole to fighting for a world title and all the cnuts want to moan because he's arrogant or whatever. Hate those miserly wankers!
 
JakeC said:
Duffy, Parke, Holahan are respectful fighters raising the MMA profile in Ireland in a good way. McGregoris an absolute cretin in my opinion. I'm surprised he is not walking around corporate america dressed like a leprechaun with his nationalistc tri colour wrapped around him. He is Irish Americas wet dream, belongs in WWE.
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Like this tit, for example!
 
In other news, seems like the UFC is going to be dealing with another domestic abuse case. Travis Brown's girlfriend posted this -
https://instagram.com/p/45zaB4qbx6/?taken-by=jennareneefit

No idea if it's true or not yet but damn...MMA is kinda fecked up when it comes to domestic abuse cases. Think this is a solid point from Reddit:
Micheal Johnson, Anthony Johnson, Josh Grispi, War Machine, Jeremy Stephens, Thiago Silva, Will Chope and now Hapa? This sport has a serious problem. People like to glaze over the fact that Rumble has been charged with numerous counts of domestic violence (never convicted but where there's that much smoke there's a fire) just because he has an exciting fighting style and comes across well in interviews. It's pathetic, he and everyone else on this list is scum. We wouldn't support them if they hurt any of the women in our lives.
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George Owen said:
How is that different from what I'm saying? a short-cut to your goals.

I have no doubt plenty fighters have been juicing, maybe some of the fighters i cheer for... like DC or even the young Jake Mathews. GSP retiring just at the same time the testing system got improved raise question marks as well about the old days (and those fighters some might think never juiced, like GSP or Silva, because of course there is no doubt about plenty others doing it).

But none of that matter now. UFC is getting serious and i don't think i need to prove it to you.

Big names retiring, plenty of fighters claiming injuries and more importantly, fighters failing drug tests. That's all result of the rooster adapting to the new rules.

Now they have to think twice before juicing anything illegal. For those fighting for important things, is clearly not worth the risk. And lets not even speak about UFC. For them its not worth the trouble any more to cover up.


ps. Until proven wrong, i still think Weidman was/is a clean motherfecker.
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Not really. They just have to adapt their juicing. MMA is now more like athletics, when it used to be like power lifting. If a power lifting event is tested, it happens at the time of the meet. So guys simply cycle off, with the occasional guy getting his timing wrong and getting popped. That's how the UFC used to be. It was hard to get caught and if an athlete did it would be down to a silly error on their behalf or something as simple as being sold a steroid that has a similar effect but different ester, to what they asked for. My hobby is power lifting and I have a pretty decent knowledge of that kind of thing.

But now random testing has been introduced, fighters can't simply cycle off in time for the fight night test. So they micro dose and use other methods to hide their use. I'm less familiar with how that works, but it's apparently very easy with a little knowledge and why so few athletes get caught. The ones that do have usually passed hundreds of random tests prior to finally getting popped. Even the most tested UFC fighters are unlikely to be randomly tested more than 20 times in their entire careers.


We saw a couple of weeks ago with Aldo that the testing really isn't that serious anyway. Rio Ferdinand misses a drug test and comes back to do it a few hours later and gets a 9 month ban. Aldo, blatantly avoids a test for 48 hours and nothing is done. If they were serious he should have been banned for a year at least! But the most significant thing about what happened with Aldo, was that at least 50% of fans have desperately tried to make out as if it was all innocent and no big deal. The reason fans do this is because of this social conditioning we have that PED's are cheating (morally speaking, as we all know that are technically) and don't want to accept the truth. If fans were just more realistic, then we wouldn't see the painfully insane arguments as they desperately try and defend the credibility of their fighter.
 
PhilipB said:
In other news, seems like the UFC is going to be dealing with another domestic abuse case. Travis Brown's girlfriend posted this -
https://instagram.com/p/45zaB4qbx6/?taken-by=jennareneefit

No idea if it's true or not yet but damn...MMA is kinda fecked up when it comes to domestic abuse cases. Think this is a solid point from Reddit:
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feck, i thought Travis was a good guy

What a cnut, glad Arlovski beat him now
 
Randall Flagg said:
feck, i thought Travis was a good guy

What a cnut, glad Arlovski beat him now
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Wow. That's awful. He is a giant as well. Will be interesting to see how Dana responds in the press conference today. Britney Palmer's husband is also up for attempted murder charges on her. Travis trains at Ronda's gym as well, that partnership must be completely done now.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
On that basis alone he should be every neutral fan's favourite. Infinitely more entertaining fighter than Mendes.

Of course, the gobby twat thing will go against him in this weird era we live in where people choose their sporting favourites based upon their personality.
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A lot of Irish people can't stand arrogance, my parents for example are rooting for Mendes.
 
shabz said:
Conor's reaction to Aldo - Mendes 2



At the time I thought I saw him clapping a lot. Seemed very respectful of both fighters and didn't try to downplay them.
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Which is nice to see and probably more like what he's actually like when he's not switched on to his WWE like trash talking persona.
 
Main Card predictions UFC 189

Featherweight Chad Mendes vs. Conor McGregor [a]

Pretty sure for this one. Conor by KO/TKO.

Welterweight Robbie Lawler (c) vs. Rory MacDonald

Who has improved more since their last fight? This one gonna be a close fight, but i think Lawler still the stronger fighter and should be able to control the way the fight develops. The Champ via TKO/decision.

Featherweight Dennis Bermudez vs. Jeremy Stephens

i'm thinking Bermudez to win on the ground n pound. TKO or submission.

Welterweight Gunnar Nelson vs. Brandon Thatch

David vs Goliath. The hardest fight to pick imo. Basically, Gunnar has to do what Bendo did last time. Survive the first rounds no matter how, try to keep the distance and capitalize/take Thatch to the ground when the chance arise. This is a 3 round fight though, and Thatch only started to fade by the 4th round. Can Gunnar's chin hold on? If he don't get murdered in the first rounds, i think he will win it. Gunnar by submission. Rear naked choke. believe.

Bantamweight Brad Pickett vs. Thomas Almeida

Almeida via KO/TKO early on the fight.


bonus:

Welterweight Matt Brown vs. Tim Means

I want Brown to win it but i think Means might edge it.

 
Irish/sbg clean sweep please

Seery, Pendred, Gunni and Mcgregor.

Paddy and Duffy with the cherry on top next week in scotland.
 
George Owen said:
Main Card predictions UFC 189

Featherweight Chad Mendes vs. Conor McGregor [a]

Pretty sure for this one. Conor by KO/TKO.

Welterweight Robbie Lawler (c) vs. Rory MacDonald

Who has improved more since their last fight? This one gonna be a close fight, but i think Lawler still the stronger fighter and should be able to control the way the fight develops. The Champ via TKO/decision.

Featherweight Dennis Bermudez vs. Jeremy Stephens

i'm thinking Bermudez to win on the ground n pound. TKO or submission.

Welterweight Gunnar Nelson vs. Brandon Thatch

David vs Goliath. The hardest fight to pick imo. Basically, Gunnar has to do what Bendo did last time. Survive the first rounds no matter how, try to keep the distance and capitalize/take Thatch to the ground when the chance arise. This is a 3 round fight though, and Thatch only started to fade by the 4th round. Can Gunnar's chin hold on? If he don't get murdered in the first rounds, i think he will win it. Gunnar by submission. Rear naked choke. believe.

Bantamweight Brad Pickett vs. Thomas Almeida

Almeida via KO/TKO early on the fight.


bonus:

Welterweight Matt Brown vs. Tim Means

I want Brown to win it but i think Means might edge it.
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I think they are all pretty close fights but tend to go with most of your picks, I think Matt Brown will win though. Also think the deciding factor in Lawler vs Macdonald will be Lawlers 5 round experience, he has proven staying power and even gets better towards the end of a fight.
 
shabz said:
I think they are all pretty close fights but tend to go with most of your picks, I think Matt Brown will win though. Also think the deciding factor in Lawler vs Macdonald will be Lawlers 5 round experience, he has proven staying power and even gets better towards the end of a fight.
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Yeah I got Rory, Thatch and Brown but they all look like fairly close fights so could go either way.
 
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Decotron said:
Im pretty sure Rory is a serial killer in his spare time :lol:
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Lol my mate said this to me a couple years ago, he is so calm and calculated. Maybe that's why GSP retired? Found out Rory's secret life and realised he didn't want to be in his way any longer.
 
Decotron said:
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Only watched several minutes of this, but every time I hear/see McGregor makes me like him even more. Dude is just so damn entertaining. When McGregor brought up Mendes' gate numbers, I actually felt bad for him. Poor Mendes is way outta his league when it comes to shit talking. Why do guys who are obviously so bad at it, even bother trying?
 
Man of Leisure said:
Only watched several minutes of this, but every time I hear/see McGregor makes me like him even more. Dude is just so damn entertaining. When McGregor brought up Mendes' gate numbers, I actually felt bad for him. Poor Mendes is way outta his league when it comes to shit talking. Why do guys who are obviously so bad at it, even bother trying?
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In my head I went "ooooooh sheeeeit"
 
Main Card predictions UFC 189

Featherweight Chad Mendes vs. Conor McGregor [a]

feck knows how it'll go. If Conor doesn't sort himself defensively then he'll get knocked out against a fighter as good as Mendes. Just got a gut feeling Mendes will win this, hoping I'm wrong.

Welterweight Robbie Lawler (c) vs. Rory MacDonald

No doubt in my mind that MacDonald will win this fight and the title.

Featherweight Dennis Bermudez vs. Jeremy Stephens

Bermudez to bounce back from the Lamas loss, expect him to pick up the win here.

Welterweight Gunnar Nelson vs. Brandon Thatch

Gunnar still has a bit to prove for me. Interesting fight, fancy Thatch to take it though.

Bantamweight Brad Pickett vs. Thomas Almeida

Hopefully Almeida, Pickett is ridiculously overrated.
 
PhilipB said:
Shouldn't matter what device you use if you have a UFC.TV account and buy it. The fights are in HD, you can select whichever stream quality you want.
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Thanks. I ended up getting it on Setanta/BT Sports for a fiver. UFC.TV is 18 euros and another 8 for the prelims.

For anyone that isn't subscribed to that package or doesn't know about it you can get it for a month by typing FIVE in the Promo code section on the Setanta site when subscribing.
 
Decotron said:
My biggest decision for this UFC event is what drink to buy!!!!

If I buy something toooo strong I'll need chemical assistance or something to even see the main event!
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All I know is drinking a gallon of Aldi Columbian coffee to try and stay awake on top of or along with a feed of drink is a bad idea. The last time I did that on a Saturday night I thought I'd have to call the priest at 9 o'clock on Sunday eve to give me my last rights.
 
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