That's the worst stoppage I've seen from Herb Dean. Shame.
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Aldo vacates 145 title. Meets Pettis at 155, if he wins he obviously gets the lightweight title. If he lose, he's allowed to go back to 145 and fight for the featherweight title again. Win - win for Aldo, he look good for going up a weightclass to fight for a title. If he loses, he gets an immediate rematch to get his old title back.
So, this is actually going to happen then? I can't fecking wait!
BJ Penn held two titles at once, I don't think Aldo would have to vacate his title. I suppose if he had no more intention to fight at 145 then he would probably do the honorable thing and vacate, but he wouldn't have to.
Not in the UFC, it's never been done.
He does have to vacate, according to Dana at the press conference! And nothing else makes sense anyway, Aldo gets injured quite a bit and hasn't fought in more than two fights a year since 2009. He'd hold up both divisions if he owned both belts.
So, is that a hard and fast rule? I could swear I've heard talk of someone wanting to try to hold two belts at once.
You're right, I thought Penn had the lightweight belt when he beat Hughes. And I thought the commentators had said before that he'd held two belts at once, but obviously I'm wrong.
Nah man, I mean you're correct in that Aldo could do it if he wanted, but Dana won't let him, or at least the UFC doesn't want it to play out like that! There are no official rules for this shit, it's just up to the UFC to decide how they want it all to play out.
Vitor Beltor claims every fighter is on some sort of banned substance during training camp.
"All those who fight against me are always complaining. But I have one thing to say: why are they not tested during the preparation for the fight? The thing is that many guys are doping during their camps to improve recovery and such. During my camp I'm thoroughly tested. I will now ask for Dana White to test all those guys who fight against me and keep talking. The same way that my blood is tested, must test their blood to see if they are not cheating. Many use products that we know, they know that they are mocking and they are talking about me. But in reality, everyone is using during the camp. Get there on time and piss when already out of his body. I do not. I am obliged to draw blood during my camp and after the fight. They do not have to draw blood, it's just pee. Then all the guys who will fight me should do the test with me. Let's see if their hormones are straight or if they are using an illegal substance. We know that there are a lot of cheating out there. They abuse during the camp. I'm a proper man. Let me take the exam. I will be tested, and they will not be tested?"
And as Belfort heads into his middleweight title fight against division champion Chris Weidman on May 24, 2014 at UFC 173 in Las Vegas, Nevada, he is confident he will receive an exemption for the therapy.
"All those who fight against me are always complaining. But I have one thing to say: why are they not tested during the preparation for the fight? The thing is that many guys are doping during their camps to improve recovery and such. During my camp I'm thoroughly tested. I will now ask for Dana White to test all those guys who fight against me and keep talking. The same way that my blood is tested, must test their blood to see if they are not cheating. Many use products that we know, they know that they are mocking and they are talking about me. But in reality, everyone is using during the camp. Get there on time and piss when already out of his body. I do not. I am obliged to draw blood during my camp and after the fight. They do not have to draw blood, it's just pee. Then all the guys who will fight me should do the test with me. Let's see if their hormones are straight or if they are using an illegal substance. We know that there are a lot of cheating out there. They abuse during the camp. I'm a proper man. Let me take the exam. I will be tested, and they will not be tested?"
And as Belfort heads into his middleweight title fight against division champion Chris Weidman on May 24, 2014 at UFC 173 in Las Vegas, Nevada, he is confident he will receive an exemption for the therapy.
"For sure I'm confident. It's my treatment. The UFC and the doctors are already working on it to make things right. I don't believe that it is going to be a problem. It's not something from my head, it's a medical issue. The big problem are the people who abuse in a general way. They use without the right for it, to cheat. I'm the only guy who is rigorously tested in gaps of 15 days, as Dana White said. When the UFC don't do the test, I do it myself. It's my treatment. The cool thing is to be fine with your conscience, to know that you are playing fair."
I'm a cynical bastard, I want to believe he's right.
The whole concept of testosterone deficiency is bizarre. Some people have more testosterone than others. It's a quirk of your genes. There's an Irish rugby player who recently tested positive for excessive testosterone and they did a whole raft of tests which proved that it was entirely endogenous. Conversely, you'll have dudes with a lot less testosterone to spare. Everybody produces less testosterone as they age. That's life. Absolutely crazy that a professional athlete is allowed to combat this natural decline by pumping himself full of exogenous testosterone, on the basis that he is "deficient". You're not deficient, you're old.
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Absobloodyexactly.
Is it true that those athletes who abused steroids when younger will have even worse testosterone deficiency later in life?
Is it true that those athletes who abused steroids when younger will have even worse testosterone deficiency later in life?
No expert but yes, that makes sense.
I'm fine with it. By the same rationale you could argue that if you blow your knee out, well tough titties, you can't get it repaired because it isn't natural.
Part of advancing medicine and quality of life for people is altering their natural hormone levels as well. If it allows athletes to extend their careers who is anyone to say it isn't OK.
Certainly if a pill came out that allowed an individual to maintain their mental acuity and vigor well beyond normal retirement ages people would take it, yet that is hardly natural. A brilliant doctor or scientist with another 20 years of top level brain power is fantastic. So why do we criticize athletes for doing exactly the same thing? The argument that it is about fair competition doesn't float either, because in any walk of life you are competing with other people.
Caffeine is a stimulant and it is not natural. How many people could function well without it? Let alone compete in terms of productivity head to head with someone who is using caffeine?
There is no real logical reason why we allow everything else under the sun, yet draw the line with hormones as they relate to athletic performance.
Someone's panicking...
Never touched em. I just see it often said on forums that fighters and Belfort in particular need TRT now because he was such a roid head in his younger days. Which kind of makes a mockery of his current justification for using it.
They're all at it, let's face it.
Take that rationale to it's logical conclusion and PEDs shouldn't be illegal at all. They're all just medical science finding a way to enhance natural processes after all. There's logic in that stance, at least. Not sure it's a popular one though.
Caffeine was once on the WADA list of banned substances, by the way. They were considering adding it back again as recently as 2010.
bj has held titles at two weight divisions but not at the same time
the only other person ever to hold titles at two weights was randy couture (again not at the same time)
So it would still be a massive achievement if aldo could do it
Caffeine still is I believe, at certain levels. Or at least it is banned by some organizations. I know Chael Sonnen gave an interview about caffeine being banned at a certain level.
I actually do believe that PED's should only be banned if they are deemed harmful and it can be proven. Otherwise I say deregulate it. You only penalize the people who won't cheat because enough people will that it will be an unfair playing field.
I see your point but it's a slippery slope IMO.
Malcolm Gladwell came up with the idea that PEDs are just a way of balancing out genetic advantages, paradoxically making sport fairer. Which is arguably exactly what TRT is doing.
I thought this article did a great job of debunking that theory.
https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/killing-point/
I agree with you on it being a slippery slope, there is no real right or wrong answer to the argument. I don't think you really need to read the article to debunk that idea either! It's a case of the rich get richer.
Anecdotally, I was one of those guys who was a straight arrow and wasn't going to take steroids despite guys all around me juicing up. In my case it didn't really impact how far I went in Football, I restricted my own potential by being a lazy bastard! However, for guys out there that actually have the work ethic to push to their maximum potential I feel for them. That is why I'm pro PEDs.
I'd like to elaborate slightly. So long as there are no serious and systemic health issues related to it I say deregulate. On the other hand, anything proven to cause serious and systemic health problems should be hammered much much harder than current banned PED's are. I'm talking first offense minimum 1 year ban from competition, second offense lifetime ban kind of stuff. Maybe that wouldn't be a deterrent, who knows!
I thought Overeem was class. Instead of going gung-ho and gassing himself out after two minutes, he changed tactics and completely dominated in every aspect of that fight. I though Dana White's critisism of him was ridiculous. If that was one of his pet projects he would have been delighted.
Main card (Fox Sports 1)
Weight class Method Round Time Notes
Middleweight Lyoto Machida vs. Gegard Mousasi
Middleweight Ronaldo Souza vs. Francis Carmont
Welterweight Erick Silva vs. Takenori Sato
Welterweight Viscardi Andrade vs. Nicholas Musoke
Featherweight Charles Oliveira vs. Andy Ogle
Preliminary card (UFC Fight Pass)
Lightweight Cristiano Marcello vs. Joe Proctor
Lightweight Rodrigo Damm vs. Ivan Jorge
Lightweight Francisco Trinaldo vs. Jesse Ronson
Bantamweight Iuri Alcantara vs. Wilson Reis
Featherweight Felipe Arantes vs. Maximo Blanco
Welterweight Ildemar Alcantara vs. Albert Tumenov
Featherweight Douglas D' Silva vs. Zubaira Tuhugov
Weight class Method Round Time Notes
Middleweight Lyoto Machida vs. Gegard Mousasi
Middleweight Ronaldo Souza vs. Francis Carmont
Welterweight Erick Silva vs. Takenori Sato
Welterweight Viscardi Andrade vs. Nicholas Musoke
Featherweight Charles Oliveira vs. Andy Ogle
Preliminary card (UFC Fight Pass)
Lightweight Cristiano Marcello vs. Joe Proctor
Lightweight Rodrigo Damm vs. Ivan Jorge
Lightweight Francisco Trinaldo vs. Jesse Ronson
Bantamweight Iuri Alcantara vs. Wilson Reis
Featherweight Felipe Arantes vs. Maximo Blanco
Welterweight Ildemar Alcantara vs. Albert Tumenov
Featherweight Douglas D' Silva vs. Zubaira Tuhugov
Silva should be able to take out Sato and get back on the winning track. Good bet to get a knockout.
Souza vs. Carmont looks like a great fight. Souza has knocked out Okami and choked out Lawler. Carmont is an beast, one of my favorite fighters to watch recently.
Hoping for another head-kick KO from Machida!
Souza vs. Carmont looks like a great fight. Souza has knocked out Okami and choked out Lawler. Carmont is an beast, one of my favorite fighters to watch recently.
Hoping for another head-kick KO from Machida!
Currently 12/1 to win via KO on betfair. Not a bad bet....
Carmont is one of your favourite fights to watch recently? Really?! Or maybe you mixed him up and meant to say Jacare? Carmont has been boring as feck recently!
@Pat_Mustard
You like Mousasi, right? Nearly certain I've seen you talk about him before. What do make of this fight with Machida and him then?
You like Mousasi, right? Nearly certain I've seen you talk about him before. What do make of this fight with Machida and him then?
Well, first of all he look like an even more evil version of Terry Crews, and he's built like a mythical creature, he looks like me might just eat his opponent instead of beat them.
I've watched him come from the undercards and he's been on a tear, it's exciting to follow someone from obscurity to the co-main event, so that makes it more fun for me.
But I really love someone who is extremely dominant in one facet that is able to use that to dominate fights. His top control is a thing of beauty.
Well, he hasn't knocked anyone out in his 6 ufc fights. He knocked out Jason Day in 2011 in the 'Slammer in the Hammer', but that's one of just 6 KOs (one by cut) in 29 MMA fights. That's 1 in 5, but he's never knock out someone like Souza. 12/1 sounds fair, I wouldn't bet on it!
I know about 6 fighters on this whole card. Any fights worth watching this event for outside the main event?
Aye, I love Mousasi! I can't wait for this fight tonight, even though it could be a bit of a low key tactics-fest. Its a tough fight to call but I think he's got a decent chance stylistically. He's beaten karate-style fighters before in kickboxing, and in general I can't really remember him getting outstruck. If he can keep it standing, and he hasn't always been able to of course, he's got a chance against anyone as he's a class striker with a brilliant chin. There's no telling how well he's recovered from his knee surgery though, and Machida is a huge step up in class anyway. Machida looked to be in savage shape at the weigh in too.
Machida is in absolute incredible shape. I'd almost go as far as to say at this rate I can't see hardly anybody beating him in this division with Silva gone. Still think it's a matter of time before he's the champion.
Based on my predictions lately though expect Machida to get knocked out in the first few seconds and never win a fight again
Based on my predictions lately though expect Machida to get knocked out in the first few seconds and never win a fight again
Machida is in absolute incredible shape. I'd almost go as far as to say at this rate I can't see hardly anybody beating him in this division with Silva gone. Still think it's a matter of time before he's the champion.
Based on my predictions lately though expect Machida to get knocked out in the first few seconds and never win a fight again
feck
cmon Lyoto! xd
De Andrande is bollox tired here...
Machida is in absolute incredible shape. I'd almost go as far as to say at this rate I can't see hardly anybody beating him in this division with Silva gone. Still think it's a matter of time before he's the champion.
Based on my predictions lately though expect Machida to get knocked out in the first few seconds and never win a fight again
Please be right, please be right, please be right.
nice slam
edit. feck that... great submission victory by Oliveira
edit. feck that... great submission victory by Oliveira
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Oliveira seemed to be toying with him there. Strange fight. 11/14 beers drank for me, and still nowhere near main event time.
This is terrible.
It turned into an appalling fight alright. A shame, as the first round was quite decent.
I mean the whole fecking card, but yeah, that was terrible too
I'm not sure what I was expecting as most of the fighters I'm unsure of. But you'd think they'd go for it a little more or something? The whole thing has just felt completely flat, even the crowd. Strange.