feck this is great, both seem tired already with three to go. Hendricks definitely slowed at the end of that round
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Mmmmm has to be Georges right?
Robbery.
Oh dear
What the absolute feck?
fecking robbery1,2 and 4 were Hendricks clearly. Shocking decision!
Absolute joke of a decision, gutted for Hendricks
you can't retire after that!
i think Hendricks won the fight by a small margin, but it was too close to deserve a new champion. I think the refs got it right.
ps. mmm GSP retiring? feck... return the belt!
ps. mmm GSP retiring? feck... return the belt!
Mindfeck of an end to a night.
Disappointing really...
Hmm just seen the scorecards and the disagreement was over round 1 - all judges had 2 and 4 for Hendricks, 3 and 5 for GSP
I actually thought round 2 was the closest of the 5 and when GSP won thought they must have given that round to him, even though I would have given it to Hendricks. But it was round 1, which I thought was clearly a Hendricks round.
Need to watch it again but my initial thoughts when watching it was that Hendricks clearly took round 1.
I actually thought round 2 was the closest of the 5 and when GSP won thought they must have given that round to him, even though I would have given it to Hendricks. But it was round 1, which I thought was clearly a Hendricks round.
Need to watch it again but my initial thoughts when watching it was that Hendricks clearly took round 1.
Too close to call. Thought Hendricks may have barely edged it but wouldn't begrudge anyone who thinks the opposite.
I didn't think it was that close, in the sense that you can clearly say Hendricks won 3 rounds - 1,2,4. I watched it again and it just seems so obvious that Hendricks won that fight.
What a farce.
Hendricks vs Lawler please, that would be immense!
Feel sorry for Hendricks. It was easy to tell who won 4 of the 5 rounds. It was 2 a piece.
It is the 1st round that was the least clear but would have thought Hendricks edged it.
Not sure it is the biggest robbery ever though.
It is the 1st round that was the least clear but would have thought Hendricks edged it.
Not sure it is the biggest robbery ever though.
Strong stuff from Dana White...
The press conference was really weird. GSP said he has some personal issues so he has to leave, then he said he feels like he is going crazy, and then Dana stopped the reporters from asking him any more questions about it. Strange.
Yea he went off on one at the presser about that as well. He was just a dick in the press conference though, saying GSP owed it to the UFC to fight Hendricks again. Dafuq? He's been their biggest PPV star for years, owes them nothing.
Certainly didn't go as I expected, quite shocked by that. I had Hendricks winning by 3 rounds to 2. Dana went crazy in the post fight conference calling the commission a disgrace etc etc. Most hilarious part of all of this is that there's no doubt in my mind that the Gus/Jones fight was much more controversial and there wasn't a dickie bird about that piss poor decision in the favor of the champion.
Great to see Rashad get the finish over Sonnen. Sonnen/Silva coaching TUF is going to be awesome.
Great to see Rashad get the finish over Sonnen. Sonnen/Silva coaching TUF is going to be awesome.
Well in the Gus/Jones fight, it wasn't as clear who won (IMO)but in this fight, it seemed pretty clear. But it was a different commission, Gus/Jones fought in Canada.
Different views I guess. I thought both decisions were wrong ultimately but that the Gus decision was more clear cut than this one. I just think it's silly for the massive overreaction from Dana and co over this decision but no bother what so ever over the Gus/Jones one like this. Dana had Hendricks winning four rounds though, he obviously see it quite differently to what I did.
Debate over whether that's a tap or not in round one. At the time live I thought it was a definite tap. It's almost like he's about to tap and give up and GSP loses the hold just as he does, very strange but no real mention of it from Hendricks, Dana or GSP.
Interesting, I never even noticed that "tap". Makes no sense to tap there though, GSP hadn't even fully applied the choke and to be honest, it's really difficult to apply anywhere near enough pressure from the top like that to finish a guillotine.
Looks to me more like he was getting ready to tap if GSP got it locked in properly, but it could have been called.
Powerful stuff, not sure if he's calling the judges corrupt or incompetent, he mentions both inexperience of judges and the corruption of the past. I of course agree completely that Hendricks won that fight...obviously.
Don't take too much pride, it's not the first time I've been way off the mark and embarrassed myself
GSP lost. I thought Hendricks won rounds 1, 2, and 4. What's disgusting - arguably more so than the decision - about this was the journalists trying to "tap" into GSP's personal life in the press conference. Dana White was on point, but he also acted extremely disrespectful (was GSP even in the room when Dana said the stuff at the start?).
Wtf is that disrespectful bald twat bitching about now?
It was a close fight. Could've gone either way tbh. I had GSP winning rounds 3 & 5. Hendricks 2 & 4. Entirely depends on how you score the 1st and it was close.
He's acting like it's the worst decision in the history of the sport and yet again talking about his fighters like they're pieces of meat. He really grinds my gears sometimes. Talk about an ego getting way out of control. If GSP has had enough of fighting then he's had enough. He doesn't owe Dana, the UFC or Hendricks a damn thing.
Although I can feel for Hendricks somewhat he only really has himself to blame. If he wasn't singing and taking it easy in that round he could've gone out and left no doubt but he took his foot off the gas and it cost him.
It was a close fight. Could've gone either way tbh. I had GSP winning rounds 3 & 5. Hendricks 2 & 4. Entirely depends on how you score the 1st and it was close.
He's acting like it's the worst decision in the history of the sport and yet again talking about his fighters like they're pieces of meat. He really grinds my gears sometimes. Talk about an ego getting way out of control. If GSP has had enough of fighting then he's had enough. He doesn't owe Dana, the UFC or Hendricks a damn thing.
Although I can feel for Hendricks somewhat he only really has himself to blame. If he wasn't singing and taking it easy in that round he could've gone out and left no doubt but he took his foot off the gas and it cost him.
You'd think the fact one guy was beaten up by another guy would have weighed on the judges' minds.
He definitely coasted that 5th round, I agree he has himself to blame for not putting it beyond any doubt.
Tbf they've already scored it by then and added to which some people mark up a lot easier than others.
That said, the way that boxing and mma is scored (i.e the 10 point system) will always leave you open to questionable decisions. I'm sure if people just sat there and watched the whole thing as one 25 minute tear up then they'd likely conclude that Hendricks was the better man.
I guess then I would hope that at least one round for Hendrix would have drawn an 8 for GSP, to take account of his domination. But I don't care for the scoring system, that's for sure.
The official score card....
I had GSP winning 1, 3 and 5. One was razor thin, and there are legit arguments IMO for either guy.
That said while I had GSP winning the match, Hendricks won the "fight".
I believe GSP won the first round based specifically on his take down and attempted guillotine. There was nothing between them on striking imo. I'm also a big proponent of take downs not counting for anything unless they are in some way shape or form dynamic. As in a slam or some significant amount of kinetic energy is imparted into the guy on the receiving end. I've sort of championed that on the UG for years.
That said, they do score for TD's and GSP did get one in the first in an otherwise even round.
Two was clearly Hendricks, but not 10-8.
Three it looked like GSP was taking control of the fight and Hendricks looked to be fading.
Four, Hendricks stormed back and really put it to GSP busting him up pretty good.
Five, trademark GSP, took him down over and over and controlled the round.
At the end of the day, the scoring criteria is very clear. Damage is not scored, take downs for better or worse are. Round 1 GSP I believe according to the compustat numbers outlanded Hendricks by 1 punch and then he had the take down.
The problem with MMA scoring is that the internal consistency is not good. What MMA scoring measures isn't who wins a "fight" but rather who out performs on a set of relatively arbitrarily weighted conditions.
This is why I think we keep seeing outrage over who is winning/losing fights.
Look at Machida/Shogun 1.
It is a similar case. Based on the criteria for scoring I firmly believe Machida won the "match" but he lost the "fight" as in, by the 4th and 5th rounds which he lost, he was getting smashed, yet according to scoring systems in place he won the first 3 IMO.
Same deal here.
The scoring systems need to change to be relevant to MMA and takedowns NOT scored unless you bash a dude into the floor with it.
That said while I had GSP winning the match, Hendricks won the "fight".
I believe GSP won the first round based specifically on his take down and attempted guillotine. There was nothing between them on striking imo. I'm also a big proponent of take downs not counting for anything unless they are in some way shape or form dynamic. As in a slam or some significant amount of kinetic energy is imparted into the guy on the receiving end. I've sort of championed that on the UG for years.
That said, they do score for TD's and GSP did get one in the first in an otherwise even round.
Two was clearly Hendricks, but not 10-8.
Three it looked like GSP was taking control of the fight and Hendricks looked to be fading.
Four, Hendricks stormed back and really put it to GSP busting him up pretty good.
Five, trademark GSP, took him down over and over and controlled the round.
At the end of the day, the scoring criteria is very clear. Damage is not scored, take downs for better or worse are. Round 1 GSP I believe according to the compustat numbers outlanded Hendricks by 1 punch and then he had the take down.
The problem with MMA scoring is that the internal consistency is not good. What MMA scoring measures isn't who wins a "fight" but rather who out performs on a set of relatively arbitrarily weighted conditions.
This is why I think we keep seeing outrage over who is winning/losing fights.
Look at Machida/Shogun 1.
It is a similar case. Based on the criteria for scoring I firmly believe Machida won the "match" but he lost the "fight" as in, by the 4th and 5th rounds which he lost, he was getting smashed, yet according to scoring systems in place he won the first 3 IMO.
Same deal here.
The scoring systems need to change to be relevant to MMA and takedowns NOT scored unless you bash a dude into the floor with it.
GSP and Hendrix both had a take down in round 1. GSP had the submission attempt but it wasn't dangerous. Hendrix had twice as many significant strikes, and caused a good bit of damage while taking none in that round.
Now 'octagon control' is one I'm vague about, GSP was in the center more often, if that's all it's about then he had 'octagon control'. He also threw more shots and threw first more often in that round, which may count for much of the 'aggression' component. So a judge would have to value 'aggression' and 'octagon control' very highly to think it was more important than the aspects where Hendrix was dominant.
Now 'octagon control' is one I'm vague about, GSP was in the center more often, if that's all it's about then he had 'octagon control'. He also threw more shots and threw first more often in that round, which may count for much of the 'aggression' component. So a judge would have to value 'aggression' and 'octagon control' very highly to think it was more important than the aspects where Hendrix was dominant.