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Meh, that fight happened I guess. Pointless.

Baneofthegame said:
I don’t see how this whole “Jon gets nothing from it” angle is being pushed, at 37 he beats the best guy in the division who has cleaned out everyone? Would basically cement his status.
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Charlie Foley said:
Can’t agree, it would be the most impressive of his HW victories in my opinion and would be him lapping the next next generation in a higher weight class
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It would add to his legacy but not much. Think about if Khabib fought and beat Chucky Olives, wouldn't add that much to his career.

The narrative quickly would become "Aspinall wasn't as good as we thought".

But I would still love to see it.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Meh, that fight happened I guess. Pointless.





It would add to his legacy but not much. Think about if Khabib fought and beat Chucky Olives, wouldn't add that much to his career.

The narrative quickly would become "Aspinall wasn't as good as we thought".

But I would still love to see it.
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Just think it’s telling that Jon wants to pick his opponents now, because he wants to protect his legacy.

Which is why he would rather fight Pereira, because he will just wrestle him, which I don’t really have a problem with, but drop the belt and let the division move on.
 
This not fighting a younger fighter because it does nothing for your resume is stupid, and definitely cowardly. What is the point of having belts, championships even fighting if the up and comers don’t get a chance to dethrone those at the top. There would literally be no progression. In every scenario in life where you have an “alpha” they are at the top until someone or something younger beats them. Or they go away to be forgotten. Either Jones needs to give up the belt or he fights the number 1.

I bet any money he attempts to fight Alex, he’ll see it as a much easier prospect.
 
Baneofthegame said:
Just think it’s telling that Jon wants to pick his opponents now, because he wants to protect his legacy.

Which is why he would rather fight Pereira, because he will just wrestle him, which I don’t really have a problem with, but drop the belt and let the division move on.
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The crazy thing is... He keeps talking about legacy so not fighting Tom will harm his legacy in the hardcore MMA circle.

Hopefully Pereira just kicks his head in.
 
whitbyviking said:
This not fighting a younger fighter because it does nothing for your resume is stupid, and definitely cowardly. What is the point of having belts, championships even fighting if the up and comers don’t get a chance to dethrone those at the top. There would literally be no progression. In every scenario in life where you have an “alpha” they are at the top until someone or something younger beats them. Or they go away to be forgotten. Either Jones needs to give up the belt or he fights the number 1.

I bet any money he attempts to fight Alex, he’ll see it as a much easier prospect.
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Agreed. Imagine Shogun never gave Jones his chance. When they're at the top, they forget that they are also given an opportunity.

Jones should either fight Tom or vacate the belt.
 
The Trump and Jesus lovefest makes me lose interest tbh. But maybe it is a big help being an absolute nutter to do this sport.
 
Raoul said:
Jones fought a good, economical fight. Stipe probably needs to look at retiring at 42.
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And he did: https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/42438740/stipe-miocic-says-retiring-tko-loss-ufc-309

Although I'd say he was pretty much unofficially retired since the second Ngannou fight, he was just holding out for this last payday against Jones. Fair play to him, he deserved that, and he wasn't the one holding up the division.

But it just makes the fight even more meaningless. For Jones it was a easy big name on the resume, and Stipe had checked out of fighting and was getting a payday at 42 with no real chance of victory. UFC/Dana get to continue to hype Jones up as their star. As a competitive event or in relation to the HW division it was pointless.
 
Mavs said:
And he did: https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/42438740/stipe-miocic-says-retiring-tko-loss-ufc-309

Although I'd say he was pretty much unofficially retired since the second Ngannou fight, he was just holding out for this last payday against Jones. Fair play to him, he deserved that, and he wasn't the one holding up the division.

But it just makes the fight even more meaningless. For Jones it was a easy big name on the resume, and Stipe had checked out of fighting and was getting a payday at 42 with no real chance of victory. UFC/Dana get to continue to hype Jones up as their star. As a competitive event or in relation to the HW division it was pointless.
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Yes, it does seem he wanted a final check before ducking out. A bit reminiscent of Dan Henderson’s final exit. Jones also looked a bit off last night imo. His body looked softer than usual and the extra weight took a bit of speed away. That said, this version of Jones wouldn’t have much difficulty getting someone like Pereira to the ground for an easy win. Aspinall would be a harder fight for him.
 
Raoul said:
Yes, it does seem he wanted a final check before ducking out. A bit reminiscent of Dan Henderson’s final exit. Jones also looked a bit off last night imo. His body looked softer than usual and the extra weight took a bit of speed away. That said, this version of Jones wouldn’t have much difficulty getting someone like Pereira to the ground for an easy win. Aspinall would be a harder fight for him.
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Yep I agree, although as long as it was on the feet against Pereira it would be very interesting. Jones has a great chin but he doesn't like facing big punchers. Even against Stipe he was doing the ducking and running away whenever things were getting uncomfortable. And Pereira could match him in the teep/kicking game.

We might be at the stage of Jones' career where this is his peak performance/condition, but he tends to step up his game whenever needed against better opponents. I think he'd take Aspinall much more seriously than Stipe or Reyes/Smith/Santos before, I would probably favor Jones there ultimately.
 
Jones just had too much for Stipe to deal with, the variety of strikes and inventiveness of the takedown are not things other HWs are going to do and it was all too much for an aged Stipe to take in, fantastic bodywork by Jon though.

The Aspinall fight could be a great addition to Jon's legacy but the problem is he won't know until Tom finishes his career, if Jon fights and beats him and then Tom goes on to have a few more wins and losses here and there then it probably won't do a whole lot for him but if Tom came back from it and went on to have his own title reign after Jon then it would really legitimise Jon's HW credentials. I really wouldn't be surprised whichever way it went now, Poatan would be a great pick for Jon because of his popularity and because Jon would more than likely just ragdoll him to the ground and smash him before Alex even gets a chance to kick his legs. The one thing that could potentially stand in the way of the Pereira fight is that Alex would probably want it to be for the HW title so he's got the chance to make history of being the first 3 weight champ but I feel like Jon would have to vacate, and has indicated his willingness to do so, because Tom should be the mandatory challenger for the title. It's not a huge stumbling block but an interesting detail to keep an eye on.
 
Make no mistake if Jones took the Aspinall fight he would disappear for a year and come back looking like Vitor when he was on the TRT, or even Overeem at his sauced max. He’d juice to the gills to make sure he was in the absolute prime condition he could. Don’t think he’d put the same effort in for Alex, he’d just wrestle feck him.
 
whitbyviking said:
Make no mistake if Jones took the Aspinall fight he would disappear for a year and come back looking like Vitor when he was on the TRT, or even Overeem at his sauced max. He’d juice to the gills to make sure he was in the absolute prime condition he could. Don’t think he’d put the same effort in for Alex, he’d just wrestle feck him.
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Nah he's too old - there's a limit to what juicing can do for him, he'd be 40 if he did that and he's not carrying his extra weight well at all. Sport is one of the weird areas people just throw common sense out the window, it's like how people thought we could sign Ronaldo or Messi in their mid thirties and they'd still light up the league.

Jones is clearly right at the tail end of his career but still you have people who think he wouldn't be at a gross disadvantage against a relatively young HW who has ripped through the division and is bigger and faster and he will struggle to wrestle/grapple with. It wouldn't mean he can't win, in the same way Stipe 'could' have won the other night even though no one thought he would (Jones' odds to win were like 90%).
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Just rewatched Khabib vs McGregor. What does the caf think of Khabib? How good was he?
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Few fighters, like Khabib and Jones, have avoided as much damage while dispatching their opponents. That’s crazy sideways kneeling body lock he uses, is there a way out of that?

If Anderson Silva retired at the same age more would put him in the same category. I’m happy putting him on the same level.

Fedor had some close decisions in his prime. GSP got KO’d in his prime, and Hendricks almost beat him (though on drugs to be sure).
 
Beans said:
Few fighters, like Khabib and Jones, have avoided as much damage while dispatching their opponents. That’s crazy sideways kneeling body lock he uses, is there a way out of that?

If Anderson Silva retired at the same age more would put him in the same category. I’m happy putting him on the same level.

Fedor had some close decisions in his prime. GSP got KO’d in his prime, and Hendricks almost beat him (though on drugs to be sure).
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Khabib is painfully one dimensional in a division where the wrestlers were either poor or decided to completely abandon wrestling once they made it.

The leg triangle against the fence that he uses is pretty counter-able by a high level black belt, which he has never faced. Poirier is technically a black belt but...yeah he is pretty meh.
You have to turn your hips away from the fence, control one of the wrists with one hand, underhook on the opposite side of the hip you're turning into. Then leverage up the underhook, bump slightly, get your knees in slightly and you've basically reached butterfly guard.

I've drilled this myself in BJJ No-gi classes, obviously I wouldn't be able to do this against Khabib but a top level BJJ guy could.

Which is why the El-Cucuy Khabib fight in their primes was THE hype matchup, before Tiramisu and El-cucuy's own mental illness combined made that fight impossible.

It's actually really annoying how all the top D-1 Wrestlers (Gaethje, Chandler) etc just practically gave up wrestling once they were top ranked.
 
It's unfortunate that Jim Miller could never quite be a top contender.

He is a special fighter to be closing in on 50 UFC bouts. They wouldn't hesitate to cut him if he was not performing well still.
 
A doctor whos parents have no idea she's a fighter just did this. Her opponent being stretchered out. Oh yes, it's an early card today.

 
Welsh Wonder said:
A doctor whos parents have no idea she's a fighter just did this. Her opponent being stretchered out. Oh yes, it's an early card today.

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That was a crazy ko. She rearranged the other girls face. There were three follow up shots not shown in the highlight. Was losing the first two rounds too. Another ko in the fight right after. A fellow Singh getting knocked out.
 
I don't want to flood the Conor Mcgregor thread so going to leave a question here...

Given Jon Jones and Conor's history of bad actions outside of the cage, how do you foresee their future in life going ?

I'm a Jones fan, hopefully he has turned a corner and left all the problems behind him, but I can understand why some people would have a bad view of him.
 
Both of them are scumbags that should be locked in a cell, instead of a cage.

But given that Dana is a piece of shit himself, it's no surprise he hypes both of them so much.
 
Luke1995 said:
I don't want to flood the Conor Mcgregor thread so going to leave a question here...

Given Jon Jones and Conor's history of bad actions outside of the cage, how do you foresee their future in life going ?

I'm a Jones fan, hopefully he has turned a corner and left all the problems behind him, but I can understand why some people would have a bad view of him.
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Its generally not a good idea to throw everyone who has had problems into the same dumpster. Conor, if these charges hold up, will go down pretty badly. A bit like Mike Tyson during his 90s rape case, although it looks like Conor will avoid prison because its a civil case.

Jones has had a troubled past, but unless he has a massive relapse, he will be remembered more as the greatest MMA fighter of all time (even his most obnoxious haters wouldn't disgaree he is at a minimum among the very greats).
 
Scottynaldinho said:
Just rewatched Khabib vs McGregor. What does the caf think of Khabib? How good was he?
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Top three all time for sure. Along with Jones and GSP. The latter two are/were more complete fighters in terms of combining striking with ground game, but Khabib's ground game was so unstoppable that he definitely deserves to be in the conversation.
 
Raoul said:
Its generally not a good idea to throw everyone who has had problems into the same dumpster. Conor, if these charges hold up, will go down pretty badly. A bit like Mike Tyson during his 90s rape case, although it looks like Conor will avoid prison because its a civil case.

Jones has had a troubled past, but unless he has a massive relapse, he will be remembered more as the greatest MMA fighter of all time (even his most obnoxious haters wouldn't disgaree he is at a minimum among the very greats).
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Yeah it's probably best to look at it as different situations.

Is it true Mcgregor's reputation in Ireland is tarnished ? I know the MMA community has not been too kind to him lately but i've heard irish people have been disapointted aswell.
 
In regards to Jones being the likely GOAT, i always had it between him and GSP

Think a case for GSP could still be made if you think beating Bisping holds more weight than Stipe. But the more Jon wins the harder it gets to put anyone above him.
 
Luke1995 said:
Yeah it's probably best to look at it as different situations.

Is it true Mcgregor's reputation in Ireland is tarnished ? I know the MMA community has not been too kind to him lately but i've heard irish people have been disapointted aswell.
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He's mostly absolutely despised here in Ireland.
 
Luke Thomas has an interview with Frank Greaney about the McGregor case. It's horrific to listen to what he was accused of/what he did.
 
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