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What an absolute shit show this card has been.

A headliner where the favourite is (was) 1/12, rubbish card overall in terms of depth, having to scrap the press conference and now a complete reshuffle of all the fights after a bunch of fighters miss weight, some of which were presumably because the UFC messed around with this card and didn't add fights until late on (Holland v D-Rod for example).

I suppose the good thing is we get Nate vs Tony which is a much better fight and one that Nate wanted all along. Feel a bit sorry for Holland as although Khamzat is a great opportunity for him in the sense it's a big name, he's probably going to get mauled when he was expecting to be in an easier fight with an opponent who likes to strike. Hats off to that dude as he always steps up to the plate. Also gotta feel sorry for the Leech who had a big name opponent, and now has a much lesser known one who's coming in a lot heavier.

Hopefully Tony (for presumably moving up to a 5 rounder, I'm guessing that'll be the headline fight now?), Holland and Leech are compensated accordingly.

D-Rod should be fined 20%+ of course for missing weight. And Khamzat I don't even know where to start, he has completely fecked it this week. I think Dana said he wasn't going to punish anyone for the press conference situation but given it was clearly mostly Chimaev starting the altercations, and him now missing weight by a tonne and causing the whole card to be screwed and now trolling on Twitter in response, I suspect the UFC won't take too kindly to his antics as a whole in the lead up to tomorrow night.
 
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Falls in line with my belief his ego has consumed him. I don't know if his team can rein him in before he ruins everything.
 
I love the idea of Dana White asking Nate to fight anyway and being told to go f**k himself. I'm just gonna assume it happened. Sounds like now they want him to fight Ferguson but no word yet. Nate holds all the cards.
 
What a unbelievable turn of events.

Here's hoping Tony Ferguson and Holland win to cap off this madness. (If the rumored new bouts end up getting made)
 
I have been wondering about it, in the past but why is Chimaev even trying to fight at Welterweight? He is already massive for a middleweight.
 
Looks like Nate vs Tony, Chimaev vs Holland, and Li vs D-Rod are all official now. Weird thing about this mess is that the main and co-main are better and more evenly-matched than they were originally. Poor Leech has been fecked over though, having to fight a guy that weighed in so much heavier.

Khamzat's made a right cnut of himself here, not just with missing weight but by trying to laugh it off.
 
Makes the card better, Tony and Nate deserve this. Hopefully Holland pulls off the upset and sends Khamzat and his lapdop Till back to being two jokers on social media.
 
Feel bad for Leech, if he wasn't so nice I'd say he must surely hate Khamzat by now :lol:

This is a much better card now though, imo.
 
If security or police aren't chaperoning the fighters tonight it has the potential to be a wild one in and out of the octagon.

Ironically, there's probably more eyes on the card tonight than there was before all this press conference and weigh-in nonsense went down.

Dana is secretly counting his lucky stars as 'bad boy' Khamzat has just raised his profile even more.

Unfortunately I think Holland is going to play right into his hands and abandon his newfound style, which would have been interesting to see Khamzat deal with.

Don't know which Tony we'll get in there: he could be safe and just chop Nate's legs to bits, but I think it's more likely we see the showman who gives the crowd - and Nate - what they want and I don't know if this old man version of Tony is durable enough for an all out war and non-stop trading, especially with someone like Nate.
 
Even more reason to dislike Khamzat really. An arrogant, smug guy who at this stage clearly thinks he can do what he wants. What makes it even more incredible is that Dana is still letting him fight tonight instead of punishing the shit out of this guy, insane, it's like a fecking WWE show at this point.

In an ideal world he gets knocked out tonight but let's be real, he's going to go in there, win and then laugh his head off and brag about it.
 
JP77 said:
Even more reason to dislike Khamzat really. An arrogant, smug guy who at this stage clearly thinks he can do what he wants. What makes it even more incredible is that Dana is still letting him fight tonight instead of punishing the shit out of this guy, insane, it's like a fecking WWE show at this point.

In an ideal world he gets knocked out tonight but let's be real, he's going to go in there, win and then laugh his head off and brag about it.
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The bloke really thinks he can be double champ at 170 and 185. If he beats Holland then give him Costa or Cannonier and see how it works out for him. Till needs smashing too.
 
JPRouve said:
I have been wondering about it, in the past but why is Chimaev even trying to fight at Welterweight? He is already massive for a middleweight.
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The same reason any fighter tries to fight at the lowest weight possible.

It's weird because he started out in the UFC having debuted at MW and then weighing in at 176 only 10 days later, which would suggest he could make WW fairly comfortably.

Then his next WW contest is Leech and we have the debacle where he weighed in like 5lbs over then, and mysteriously made weight immediately after.

Then the fight with Burns and no such troubles with making weight.

The word is he has some sort of medical issue that's made it difficult for him to make weight. Whether that's true or not we don't know, but it seems odd that he was fine making the weight 5 months ago.

Also he's not massive for a MW at all, he's a bit of an ectomorph body shape wise, just really tall for a 170lber. I'm guessing if he moved up he would be coming in at about 200 on fight night unless he bulked up significantly, which would be a lot less than the likes of Costa and Vettori.
 
DannyCAFC said:
The same reason any fighter tries to fight at the lowest weight possible.

It's weird because he started out in the UFC having debuted at MW and then weighing in at 176 only 10 days later, which would suggest he could make WW fairly comfortably.

Then his next WW contest is Leech and we have the debacle where he weighed in like 5lbs over then, and mysteriously made weight immediately after.

Then the fight with Burns and no such troubles with making weight.

The word is he has some sort of medical issue that's made it difficult for him to make weight. Whether that's true or not we don't know, but it seems odd that he was fine making the weight 5 months ago.

Also he's not massive for a MW at all, he's a bit of an ectomorph body shape wise, just really tall for a 170lber. I'm guessing if he moved up he would be coming in at about 200 on fight night unless he bulked up significantly, which would be a lot less than the likes of Costa and Vettori.
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To be fair, that just screams massive shit to me….I honestly reckon I drop more than 5 lbs on a Monday morning after a Sunday roast
 
DannyCAFC said:
The same reason any fighter tries to fight at the lowest weight possible.

It's weird because he started out in the UFC having debuted at MW and then weighing in at 176 only 10 days later, which would suggest he could make WW fairly comfortably.

Then his next WW contest is Leech and we have the debacle where he weighed in like 5lbs over then, and mysteriously made weight immediately after.

Then the fight with Burns and no such troubles with making weight.

The word is he has some sort of medical issue that's made it difficult for him to make weight. Whether that's true or not we don't know, but it seems odd that he was fine making the weight 5 months ago.

Also he's not massive for a MW at all, he's a bit of an ectomorph body shape wise, just really tall for a 170lber. I'm guessing if he moved up he would be coming in at about 200 on fight night unless he bulked up significantly, which would be a lot less than the likes of Costa and Vettori.
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He is massive at 188cm for a middleweight. Between he is frame and his struggle to make weight it's pretty obvious that he is trying to get into a weight class that isn't his. Also I think people are getting a bit too accustomed to UFC fighters moronic weight making malarkeys.
 
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JPRouve said:
He is massive at 188cm for a middleweigth is a skinny one. Between he is frame and his struggle to make weight it's pretty obvious that he is trying to get into a weight class that isn't his. Also I think people are getting a bit too accustomed to UFC fighters moronic weight making malarkeys.
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He looked mental fighting Burns, who although isn’t tall is pretty thickset…..but he looked like a child against Chimaev
 
T00lsh3d said:
He looked mental fighting Burns, who although isn’t tall is pretty thickset…..but he looked like a child against Chimaev
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Yeah, he is just trying to game the system as many do. It's quite obvious that he is a middleweight, potential lightheavywight but if he can kill himself and make the weight for welterweight, he is guaranteed to be a highly ranked fighter. It's complete nonsense and people make excuses for it.
 
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JPRouve said:
Yeah, he is just trying to game the system as many do. It's quite obvious that he is a middleweigth, potential lightheavywight but if he can kill himself and make the weight for welterweight, he is guaranteed to be a highly ranked fighter. It's complete nonsense and people make excuses for it.
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Paddy is another weight bully, then you have real G's like Frankie Edgar who fought at 155 most of his career when he was basically a 135/145er.
 
There must be a way around this nonsense with weight cutting. Fighters starve and dehydrate themselves for a week or so, just to be able to step on a scale, then right after they eat and drink to add most of the weight they lost right before stepping on that scale.
 
Gordon S said:
There must be a way around this nonsense with weight cutting. Fighters starve and dehydrate themselves for a week or so, just to be able to step on a scale, then right after they eat and drink to add most of the weight they lost right before stepping on that scale.
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Some argue if you can do it it’s fair game, personally think they should have rehydration limits of some kind.
 
Smithy89 said:
Paddy is another weight bully, then you have real G's like Frankie Edgar who fought at 155 most of his career when he was basically a 135/145er.
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Don't forget BJ Penn. That nutter would go up and fight Ngannou if he had the chance :lol:

Still can't believe he fought Machida...
 
This interview is absolute comedy gold :lol:




"Family's worried because I can't wrestle, but I don't care because at least I'm getting paid"

"I started smoking pot at an early age so yeah, I don't really have strong emotions anymore"
 
Henrik Larsson said:
This interview is absolute comedy gold :lol:




"Family's worried because I can't wrestle, but I don't care because at least I'm getting paid"

"I started smoking pot at an early age so yeah, I don't really have strong emotions anymore"
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"A lot of my family is nerve-wrecked because they know I can't fecking wrestle" :lol::lol::(

He can be creative and aggressive off his back though, and Khamzat's striking defence is quite porous, so he has a chance here.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
This interview is absolute comedy gold :lol:




"Family's worried because I can't wrestle, but I don't care because at least I'm getting paid"

"I started smoking pot at an early age so yeah, I don't really have strong emotions anymore"
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That's not how emotions work, Kevin!
 
Pat_Mustard said:
"A lot of my family is nerve-wrecked because they know I can't fecking wrestle" :lol::lol::(
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Q: What was it about Khamzat that made you say I want to fight this guy?

A: Nothing at all. I never said I wanted to fight the guy, I mean...

Had me in stitches :lol:

But yeah going by the Burns fight and Khamzat's general behaviour, adrenaline and blood thirst might get the better of him again and he'll come out like a mad man not sticking to any game plan. So maybe Kevin can get a little creative with that and I wouldn't mind him doing well or winning.

To be fair, I'm not a Khamzat fan in particular, but I genuinely think he's missed weight because it was too dangerous a cut for him. So not like many are thinking because he's become delusional and unprofessional and doesn't care about his career anymore, by all acounts he's a training monster who wants to fight as much as he can. It's just that with his size and build, it's not always physically possible to get back to 170 without problems.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Q: What was it about Khamzat that made you say I want to fight this guy?

A: Nothing at all. I never said I wanted to fight the guy, I mean...

Had me in stitches :lol:

But yeah going by the Burns fight and Khamzat's general behaviour, adrenaline and blood thirst might get the better of him again and he'll come out like a mad man not sticking to any game plan. So maybe Kevin can get a little creative with that and I wouldn't mind him doing well or winning.

To be fair, I'm not a Khamzat fan in particular, but I genuinely think he's missed weight because it was too dangerous a cut for him. So not like many are thinking because he's become delusional and unprofessional and doesn't care about his career anymore, by all acounts he's a training monster who wants to fight as much as he can. It's just that with his size and build, it's not always physically possible to get back to 170 without problems.
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:lol: He's class.

I tend to agree regarding Khamzat and the weigh-in debacle, although trying to laugh it off was an awful look. Only two of his pre-UFC fights were at welterweight, with the others at either middleweight or a catchweight, and he has already had difficulty making weight in UFC. He's likely just outgrown the ability to consistently make 170lbs now, if he ever really had it. And in fairness, Dana said that it was a UFC doctor that told him to stop cutting weight rather than him just downing tools.

I went on a binge of his pre-UFC fights before the Burns fight (not that it took long) and came across this breakdown of his only remotely competitive fight at that stage:



Aside from seeming impulsive and hot-headed in temperament, there's probably still technical holes that a rangy and powerful striker like Holland can exploit. Good on Holland for insisting that it be a a five-rounder too. If he can make it into the later rounds that adds a bit more intrigue. Really looking forward to this event now.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Q: What was it about Khamzat that made you say I want to fight this guy?

A: Nothing at all. I never said I wanted to fight the guy, I mean...

Had me in stitches :lol:

But yeah going by the Burns fight and Khamzat's general behaviour, adrenaline and blood thirst might get the better of him again and he'll come out like a mad man not sticking to any game plan. So maybe Kevin can get a little creative with that and I wouldn't mind him doing well or winning.

To be fair, I'm not a Khamzat fan in particular, but I genuinely think he's missed weight because it was too dangerous a cut for him. So not like many are thinking because he's become delusional and unprofessional and doesn't care about his career anymore, by all acounts he's a training monster who wants to fight as much as he can. It's just that with his size and build, it's not always physically possible to get back to 170 without problems.
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If you commit, have ample prep-time and want to be fighting in a division you shouldn't, you simply have to make weight. It's inexcusable to be so far out unless there's a medical reason.

Conor looked like the walking dead doing the same thing, but he did it, no complaints and, as things stand, it is part of the fight game.

He shouldn't think about fighting at a weight he's incapable of making in the future. I don't know, my sympathy for him is next to naught because he's brought this on himself and kicked up a storm with bold claims whilst doing so, which he's now failed to back. It won't do him any harm in terms of profile as he's now has more notoriety, but he can lose favour with the fans if he can't back his words.
 
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