The MMA thread

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Superb event. Some incredibly brutal finishes - if this card had happened back in the 'human cock-fighting' days Congress would probably be rushing to get MMA banned completely right about now!

Not too many credible challengers left for Jones at 205 now. Its incredible how he's went from a great prospect to practically cleaning out the division in one calendar year. He's beat up arguably the best orthodox striker (Shogun), an iron-chinned brawler with KO power and great takedown defence (Rampage), and now the divison's wildcard in Machida (great reflexes and defence, unorthodox striking, great takedown defence).

All that really remains is top-class MMA wrestlers and Henderson. Hendo willl always have a chance given his power and big-fight temperament, but as much as I love the guy its hard to see how he'll possibly land on Jones. He doesn't utilise takedowns much at all, he's very suspect fighting off his back and has questionable stamina - Jones is nightmarish for him stylistically.

Jones has already dealt with a very credible wrestler in Bader with ease but Davis and especially Rashad Evans are a level above him. Rashad's power, speed and great wrestling coupled with the mental aspect make that an interesting fight but Jones would rightly be the overwhelming favourite.

So basically 2/3 more fights (Hendo and one or both of Evans/Davis) and Jones has decimated probably the most competitive division in MMA.
 
Hendo has basically no chance. The only chance he brings into the fight is an H-Bomb and while that might be the biggest power punch in all of MMA, Hendo is too slow and plodding for anyone to reasonably expect Hendo to be able to land it.

That said, he was able to get it off against Fedor after Fedor rocked him and then got sloppy in a scramble. That might be just the sort of situation Hendo needs to get it off on Jones.

Personally I take Jones 100 times out of 100 if they fought.

Machida stylistically had perhaps the best shot, the big issue with most of the other contenders is that they are either wild strikers, or they don't have the wrestling to cope with Jones.

Machida has solid wrestling, he managed to stuff the initial take down from Jones before Jones planted him. Machida also has probably the best technical striking in the division. Right now the only guy I can see that has any chance is still Machida in a rematch but that margin for success and failure as we saw in this fight is RAZOR thin.
 
Well technically the difference between winning and losing any fight is razor thin. One punch and all that...

At no point did Jones ever look like losing that one though. I actually got the impression that he was engaging in a stand up battle simply to show that he wasn't fazed by Machida in that respect.

He'll lose at some point but right now he's setting the bar. Apparently his brothers are massive NFL players so it will be interesting to see if he fills out much more and moves to HW.
 
That event was sick! I stayed up to watch the first couple of fights, delighted for the Korean Zombie. The shoulder snap or dislocation was sick to watch. Fair play to Mir I thought *** had him.

Jones is the man, love him or hate him he is a beast. Thought Machida came in great and had the upper hand in the first. Jones put it on him in the second, the choke was insane, the way he dropped him and walked off and Machida's eyes were rolled back. Bones is a bad man and looks like he can beat anybody he is a hybrid. After Evans and Hendo they should do a super fight with Silva and Jones. If both win all their fights next year.

Overeem wrote this on a blog today after flying back to Holland for family reasons.

But to my fans who are worried that I will not be 100 percent ready to rip Brock Lesnar apart on December 30 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, let me promise you: coming back to Holland for this camp will not be a factor at all. ... I say to MMA fans, again, don't worry, I will be sending this guy back to WWE for you.

I hope his mother is okay and he still fights Brock. Can't wait for that card and if Overeem isn't on it, it won't be as good. Still watch it of course.

Next week Strikeforce. Gotta love continous MMA events.
 
Well technically the difference between winning and losing any fight is razor thin. One punch and all that...

At no point did Jones ever look like losing that one though. I actually got the impression that he was engaging in a stand up battle simply to show that he wasn't fazed by Machida in that respect.

He'll lose at some point but right now he's setting the bar. Apparently his brothers are massive NFL players so it will be interesting to see if he fills out much more and moves to HW.

Yeah, that's how I saw it too, especially when he made a point in the post-fight interview about wanting to prove to people that he didn't have a suspect chin.
 
I've uncensored it. Not sure why it was censored in the first place. Possibly because it was similar to an acronym such as Not United Quality.

NOG NOG NOG :)
 
Apparently this is going to happen:

Lesnar/Overreem v Dos Santos

Jones - Rashad or Henderson

Mir - Velasquez :eek:
 
Well technically the difference between winning and losing any fight is razor thin. One punch and all that...

At no point did Jones ever look like losing that one though. I actually got the impression that he was engaging in a stand up battle simply to show that he wasn't fazed by Machida in that respect.

He'll lose at some point but right now he's setting the bar. Apparently his brothers are massive NFL players so it will be interesting to see if he fills out much more and moves to HW.

Despite the judges scoring, virtually everyone had Machida winning round one rather convincingly.

Yes, we can be pedantic and say everyone has a punchers chance and that anyone at any given time can stop someone else.

That however is being slightly disingenuous to the situation with Jones. He is one of those extremely explosive dynamic fighters. He can literally pull something out of thin air and end a fight out of the blue. He is very much like Mike Tyson in that regard. I recall the first Tyson Holyfield fight, out of my 10 or so friends that watched it together I was the only person who picked Evander but that was a tense fight from start to finish because no matter how many rounds Evander won, Tyson only needed a second or two of brilliance to render all the work Evander had done up to that point irrelevant.

Same shit with Machida Jones, Machida won round 1, controlled the distance flustered Jones and landed the bigger more telling shots. Round two was more of the same until Jones clipped him, took him down, bashed him, dropped him and then standing choked him to lala land.

Jones has said straight up that Machida posed a problem for him and that he was difficult to come to terms with. Implying Jones toyed with him is silliness. Jones was legitimately concerned in his corner between round 1 and 2. He came back to his corner and even stated he lost that round. People have said he hasn't been chin checked. Machida is the first guy to land a decent shot on him, that is all he was talking about when he said he proved he could take a shot.
 
So in summary - Machida was ahead by a point until Jones beat the snot out of him in all areas.

Machida has an uniquely awkward style that you really wouldn't be able to train for. Shogun had trouble with him in the 1st fight (although most had him as a winner) but then came back to smash him in a rematch.

All you saw from Jones was a slight puzzlement at how best to deal with him and hesitation at being countered. I'm sure he could've switched up his game and pushed for takedowns if the fight looked like slipping away, likewise I'd guarantee his gas tank would be better than Machida going into the later rounds.

It wasn't a close fight. It was an annihilation.
 
Yeah took him a round to figure him out then went through him for a short-cut. Jones was never hurt and never particularly flustered. Machida has such an unusual style, no amount of sparring can prepare someone for an actual fight with him. Credit to Jones for only taking the one round to work him out.
 
Summed up better than I did Pogue.

If he'd been dominated like Sonnen over Silva for 4 and a half rounds I'm sure everyone would be clamouring for a rematch but not in this case. It'd barely gotten warmed up.
 
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the elbow, and the nasty cut. Machida was focused and in control up until that point. As he got up after the ref called time out to let the doctor check him, he was clearly dazed. It was all downhill from there.
 
So in summary - Machida was ahead by a point until Jones beat the snot out of him in all areas.

Machida has an uniquely awkward style that you really wouldn't be able to train for. Shogun had trouble with him in the 1st fight (although most had him as a winner) but then came back to smash him in a rematch.

All you saw from Jones was a slight puzzlement at how best to deal with him and hesitation at being countered. I'm sure he could've switched up his game and pushed for takedowns if the fight looked like slipping away, likewise I'd guarantee his gas tank would be better than Machida going into the later rounds.

It wasn't a close fight. It was an annihilation.

Yes, we all saw Jones win decisively. Finishes in fights usually are one sided and decisive.

Your response goes off on a tangent that is only barely related to my post. If you didn't catch it. Here is what my post said. Machida was competitive for a round and change. Machida is the first guy to test Jones' chin in any meaningful way.

Shogun Machida II is nothing like this. That fight was a result of Machida changing his style, not Shogun adapting his. In case you missed it, Machida came under enormous fire. He was criticized by the "just bleed" crowd for losing the fight.

In MMA you can break fights down beyond just winner and loser, there is the "fight" and there is the "game". Shogun won the fight. Shogun lost the game. Very clearly in both cases. People who win the fight, don't always win the game, and people who win the game, don't always win the fight. That is a very good example of that situation. Shogun gave up the early rounds to for a long term fight strategy and while his strategy paid off in the long term, it didn't turn in his favor until too late and he was unable to take the decision out of the hands of the judges who correctly scored the game in favor of Machida.

In fight two, Machida came out with something to prove. He wanted to prove he was correctly determined the winner in fight one, and he wanted to be more aggressive. He dropped his counter attacking style and he attacked. Shogun didn't do anything differently stylistically. He simply shit on a Lyoto Machida who dropped his own style to be more fan pleasing.

Another example of fight vs game is the Machida Rampage fight, this in my estimation was an incorrect outcome. Machida, according to Rampage won the "fight", but according to the judges Machida lost the "game". It very easily could have been declared a draw and that would have been a more appropriate outcome than Rampage winning the fight.

Getting back to Jones, you seem angry. You are raging against my post for something it does not say. To what degree you think Machida was an obstacle is your business. All I said was Machida is the first guy to really test Jones in ways he has yet to be tested.

My own opinion is this, anyone who thinks Jones simply walked through Machida and that Machida posed little more than a punchers chance needs to release the death grip on Jones' balls.

Your knuckles are turning white!
 
Yeah took him a round to figure him out then went through him for a short-cut. Jones was never hurt and never particularly flustered. Machida has such an unusual style, no amount of sparring can prepare someone for an actual fight with him. Credit to Jones for only taking the one round to work him out.

Jones isn't unbeatable. He is very much like Machida was. Each fight is another piece of the puzzle.

Right now Jones has two giant things in his favor.

1) He has a very unique frame and he supplements this with an extreme level of athleticism.

2) People are scared SHITLESS of him.

The parallels between Jones and Tyson are there for all to see. This isn't to say that Jones will end up with an enormous hole in his game once people catch on to his game. Jones might very well go down as the greatest combat sport practitioner to date.

Right now however, Jones is having an easier time of it than he probably should for the two above reasons. People simply are unfamiliar with what he can do, and they are terrified of him. There is a reason most fighters don't throw spinning elbows and spinning kicks recklessly, because they are low percentage and they will eventually result in some wrestler putting you on your ass. People are too passive against Jones currently and that is allowing him to dictate the fight.

It becomes a choice you have to make. You can choose to react to Jones and fight passively. Maybe you survive five rounds, maybe you don't. Or you can choose to fight as aggressively as you can. Maybe you last one round, maybe you win. Right now nobody is going to win fighting passively and reactively versus Jones. To win you have to pressure, hope to land something or at the very least make him uncomfortable.

Machida did that in the way Machida does that. Each time Jones fight, people will work out more of that puzzle. They will see what he likes to do, what he doesn't like to do. They will see what his strengths are and what his weaknesses are.
 
True, but Jones himself will also keep evolving every time he fights. He'll only get better.

Who do you think would have the best chance against him? I would have thought Rua. Henderson v Jones could be a brilliant fight, until Dan gasses.
 
What are you babbling on about Nucks? I'm not angry or raging about anything. I simply disagree with your opinion on how close a fight it was.

On the subject of the scariest guy in MMA though, if you value the ability to walk I'd say it's this guy...



Apparently he's seeing a sports psychologist to sort his head out. :nervous:
 
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the elbow, and the nasty cut. Machida was focused and in control up until that point. As he got up after the ref called time out to let the doctor check him, he was clearly dazed. It was all downhill from there.

that's how i saw it too
 
So Machida was doing ok until he was taken down and elbowed in the face? Well, yeah. All fighters do well right up until the bit where they get beaten up.

The most interesting thing about the elbow is that the ref stopped the fight at that point. This gave Machida a real lifeline by allowing him a few extra seconds to clear his head. He was very lucky to get a break like that. Made no difference to the outcome, mind you.
 
Fiday night - UFC 141

i hope overeem smashes brocks head off and kicks it into the crowd

I'm on the fence on the fight. It can go with overeem TKOing Brock in the first minute or Brock smothering the reem. Really looking forward to it.

Diaz/Cerrone is a fight of the night contender. Both don't give a shit and come to fight, looking forward to the weigh ins to see the stare down.

John "the blanket" Fitch is back too. He really needs to finish a opponent and stop getting decisions. Another GSP/Fitch fight doesn't appeal to me.

Can't wait till Friday.
 
Hope Lesner wins. The heavy weight division needs the pantomine villain and he's the man to do it. After all its more an example of drama rather then actual sporting prowess.

Lesner is a big character. Like it or not, he adds alot to the heavy weight division.
 
Hope Lesner wins. The heavy weight division needs the pantomine villain and he's the man to do it. After all its more an example of drama rather then actual sporting prowess.

Lesner is a big character. Like it or not, he adds alot to the heavy weight division.

obviously, i've never met him so don't know what he's really like but he comes across as a total dick-hole going by his actions and persona, his penis he has tattooed on his chest ,the fact he likes to shoot animals for fun and how he kept saying 'make chicken salad out of chicken shit' when on tuf.. therefore, i want him to get smashed up... again.
 
Dont forget that UFC 141 is on tonight. Does not start until 3am so this will be a sky plus watch in the morning before Utd kick off for me.

Not a bad NYE at all.

Anyway my predictions -


Nam Phan vs. Jimy Hettes
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Alexander Gustafsson
Jon Fitch vs. Johny Hendricks
Nate Diaz vs. Donald Cerrone
Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem
 
I hope Brock wins. The division needs him to stick around for a few more fights. That said, he seems to have lost his Mojo since the Mir2 and Carvin fights. He needs to channel some of that WWE aggression if he wants to conquer Overreem.