The MMA thread

LARulz said:
It was always a lot to ask for him to fully come back after what he went through but do wonder what he'll do now. I assume he'll rest for a year or so but wonder if he might head back to 'wrestling' eventually.
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He look far too defensive in this fight from the get go. I'm not going to say I watch a lot of UFC, but you could tell that he wasn't the same.

He'll probably do a hunting and fishing show.

He's actually a pretty interesting guy when you read up about him. He's very basic, but he's semi intelligent. Alot better then some of the boneheads running around in MMA
 
marchi-91 said:
Lenser looked like shit. Panicky and nervous. Needs to find himself a shit fighter to rebuild his confidence. Looks like he's thinking too much about it. Lesner circa 2007-8 would have just ran all over him. Zero confidence.
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You can't really believe that can you? Lesnar is always a nervous wreck in the cage against a dude bigger than Couture. The initial takedown failed, which just gave Overeem the opening he needed. Standing up there was only going to be one outcome.
 
beardsleybob said:
You can't really believe that can you? Lesnar is always a nervous wreck in the cage against a dude bigger than Couture. The initial takedown failed, which just gave Overeem the opening he needed. Standing up there was only going to be one outcome.
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He certainly had far more confidence about him in the Mirr and Carwin fights.

He also didn't look that nervous when he started off with a flying knee kick against Velasquez.

By the way when I mean ran all over him, I don't mean kick the shit out of him, but he'd have been far more willing to run at him and make a takedown attempt. He was far too tentative and lacked bite. Something that probably comes from having such a serious condition to the stomach and Overreems kickboxing ability.
 
Lesnar didn't look right coming into it. Not once did he look at Overeem until the very start. He didn't even make one decent attempt at a takedown. Standing up with one of the best hw kickboxers around was a very weird strategy.

Lesnar for WWE anyway.
 
marchi-91 said:
He certainly had far more confidence about him in the Mirr and Carwin fights.

He also didn't look that nervous when he started off with a flying knee kick against Velasquez.

By the way when I mean ran all over him, I don't mean kick the shit out of him, but he'd have been far more willing to run at him and make a takedown attempt. He was far too tentative and lacked bite. Something that probably comes from having such a serious condition to the stomach and Overreems kickboxing ability.
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He was throwing against Overeem, how can you lack confidence when you try to punch a kickboxer in the face? Fair enough he didn't bullrush him like he does most fighters. Overeem was very attentive though. Hard to take down a man that knows it's coming. Overeem's strikes only came from in close, so unless Brock was going to pick him up then it wasn't going to ground. Nice pre-empting by Overeem, didn't allow Brock an opening to shoot in. Not that it lasted long enough for him to try many anyway :lol:
 
For Brock even to get it the Octogon again after suffering with his condition is actually pretty remarkable.
 
EspadaYdaga said:
lesnar's always looked shit.... hopefully that's it - now that the myth has been exposed again.
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What a crock of shit. You don't take down some of the best heavy weights in MMA at the time, without having a some serious skill. Brocks biggest problem was that he never developed a stand up game. On the ground, there are seldom heavy weights that move like he does. And unlike many fighters, you could never write him off.

I think a certain amount of respect has to given to a man that even with severe stomach issues, still competed in the ultimate contact sport. He brought a massive fan base and created a lot of hype to the otherwise, competitively boring heavy weight division. For me, I love the personality he brings to the sport. He's entertaining and thats what I want. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes much like the Rock and moves into movies.

I get the feeling that he was actually going to retire after his last bout of illness but Dana convinced him to stay on for one fight and see how he went.

I wonder who Dana will now setup to be the poster boy bad guy?
 
marchi-91 said:
What a crock of shit. You don't take down some of the best heavy weights in MMA at the time,
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which ones are you talking about?
as soon as he met anyone decent he got smashed - velasquez, overeem.
he beat randy couture at the end of his career and with a massive size difference.
lesnar was a product of a marketing and hype campaign along with carefully picked opponents in order to maximise profits.
 
As soon as he met anyone after a year out with seriously illness and stupidly no tune up***

I have no doubt he would of been found out anyway, but his downfall is his own and/or Danas fault for rushing him straight into big fights, why not feed him Roy Nelson this time around first and Overeem someone else, actually BUILD the fight up instead of just putting it on...I can understand him fighting Cain straight away as he was champ. Oh well, he'll be back in the WWE soon enough I guess
 
He'll be doing a wrestlemania thing, then thats it. No long term contract.
 
EspadaYdaga said:
which ones are you talking about?
as soon as he met anyone decent he got smashed - velasquez, overeem.
he beat randy couture at the end of his career and with a massive size difference.
lesnar was a product of a marketing and hype campaign along with carefully picked opponents in order to maximise profits.
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Carwin, Mirr for two, and it's clear to everybody that Brock was in noway ready for this fight against Overeem. Velasquez was a strange fight, but on any given day, it could quite easily have gone the other way.

Yes he was a product of marketing and hype, but you don't get there without skill. You actually have to have some quality that makes people come and watch.
 
Diaz fight was fantastic!

Look on Wikipedia on overeems list of fights and the name of the kick he beat brock with :lol:
 
marchi-91 said:
Carwin, Mirr for two, and it's clear to everybody that Brock was in noway ready for this fight against Overeem. Velasquez was a strange fight, but on any given day, it could quite easily have gone the other way.

Yes he was a product of marketing and hype, but you don't get there without skill. You actually have to have some quality that makes people come and watch.
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carwin isn't all that and he was smashing up brock until he gassed out - the whole time brock was curled up praying for the ref to stop the fight btw

mir beat brock once and lost twice even with the massive size difference.

velasquez will beat brock 9 times out of 10

anytime lesnar cant roid-rage his way through somebody he has problems

look at his actual fights and you will see he has no skills - he's just a big buffalo with a donkey kong charge and hulk smash technique - that's it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So Lesnar's retiring? Good. Hopefully he'll take all his WWE fans back with him and leave MMA to people who don't watch it for the tight shorts, big pecs and staredowns at the weigh-in. He was never much good anyway.
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I think he was what UFC needed at the time. The sport was growing In popularity and needed a big name. Lesnar brought that and had a small run which without a doubt brant in more fans. UFC on fox now is huge and will be building mega stars such as Jones to a newer audience. Lesnar wasn't the best MMA fighter but for me he acted like a bridge from the Griffin/Bonnar fight to the Fox deal.
 
Stephen87 said:
I think he was what UFC needed at the time. The sport was growing In popularity and needed a big name. Lesnar brought that and had a small run which without a doubt brant in more fans. UFC on fox now is huge and will be building mega stars such as Jones to a newer audience. Lesnar wasn't the best MMA fighter but for me he acted like a bridge from the Griffin/Bonnar fight to the Fox deal.
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In terms of marketing the UFC brand, it made a lot of sense to get him on board. Let's be honest though, he was fairly shite. It's been irritating reading comments from WWE fanbois who haven't a clue about MMA massively over-rating how good he was.

Not that I'm an MMA expert, mind you. I'm just a grumpy so and so with a bee in my bonnet about grown men who watch WWE. I find it strange and disturbing. Bah humbug.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In terms of marketing the UFC brand, it made a lot of sense to get him on board. Let's be honest though, he was fairly shite. It's been irritating reading comments from WWE fanbois who haven't a clue about MMA massively over-rating how good he was.

Not that I'm an MMA expert, mind you. I'm just a grumpy so and so with a bee in my bonnet about grown men who watch WWE. I find it strange and disturbing. Bah humbug.
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I agree with you on both Lesnar and wwe. He was quite poor compared to the huge hype machine that was portrayed. He superior wrestling skills were never as good as made out couldn't take most down. Only took Carwin down after he gassed. His ability to take a punch was terrible, stiffen up and freeze. I can't criticise him because he actually got in there and have it his best but not as good as everyone made out over the years.
 
Stephen87 said:
I agree with you on both Lesnar and wwe. He was quite poor compared to the huge hype machine that was portrayed. He superior wrestling skills were never as good as made out couldn't take most down. Only took Carwin down after he gassed. His ability to take a punch was terrible, stiffen up and freeze. I can't criticise him because he actually got in there and have it his best but not as good as everyone made out over the years.
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Yes!
 
To be honest lads I ended up liking Lesnar. When you look at the list of people he fought :
First fight : Frank Mir, an absolutely horrible stylistic match up for him, would have won quite easily of it wasn't for a dodgy ref call
Second fight : Heath Herring, nearly beat Nog just beforehand, solid gatekeeper
Third fight : randy couture, who had just absolutely battered big feckers like Sylvia and gonzaga

Then he obliterated mir, then came and finished Carwin ( something dos santos couldn't do), then beaten by Velasquez and Overeem. Nobody in the UFC ever had such a tough run. When Cro Cop came over he fought Eddie Sanchez, for Christ sakes.

Fair play to him, he came in and fought the best and never whinged.

Anybody see Bj Penns tweet tonight?

"@nickdiaz209 Look how much bigger you are in this pic..I thought you were gonna scrap from the beginning homie? What was that coward fence holding strategy to tire out the smaller man? Street fighter my ass! I made you fight like glass jaw @jonfitchdotnet poser! I'll be ready for that weak bs next time we fight!"

Mad little cnut. His page wasn't hacked either
 
ufc rio on tonight - should be some good fights:

Edson Barboza vs. Terry Etim

Erick Silva vs. Carlo Prater

Rousimar Palhares vs.Mike Massenzio

Vitor Belfort vs. Anthony Johnson

José Aldo vs. Chad Mendes
 
Im going for a Brazilian clean sweep for my predictions -

Edson Barboza vs. Terry Etim

Erick Silva vs. Carlo Prater

Rousimar Palhares vs.Mike Massenzio

Vitor Belfort vs. Anthony Johnson

José Aldo vs. Chad Mendes
 
Wow, that was some knockout by Barboza... Highlight reel for him.

Joe Rogan actually woke me up shouting "knock-out". It was an awfully boring fight before that.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Im going for a Brazilian clean sweep for my predictions -

Edson Barboza vs. Terry Etim

Erick Silva vs. Carlo Prater

Rousimar Palhares vs.Mike Massenzio

Vitor Belfort vs. Anthony Johnson

José Aldo vs. Chad Mendes
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You'd be right on going into the last fight if it hadn't been for that abomination of a decision in the Silva-Prater fight. For the sake of your sanity I hope to feck you didn't have any money riding on those predictions.
 
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