EDIT @antohan
The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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Names, names everywhere.
feck off! May as well remove the post then!
It's fine now, nowt wrong with it.
We all must embrace what goes inside Cruyff's mind.
At the end when the presenter asked "so what should we do to solve injury issues in the Dutch team", he replies with "make some tutti frutti"
So, @antohan, how do you plan to combine Djemba twin and Koeman.
As Cruyff was saying in that video, don't need defensively good defenders or midfielders, just to compress the available space.
It's fine now, nowt wrong with it.
We all must embrace what goes inside Cruyff's mind.
At the end when the presenter asked "so what should we do to solve injury issues in the Dutch team", he replies with "make some tutti frutti"
It's a good video actually, he does make some good points. I love it when he goes: "the Netherlands have great players, X, Y and whatshisname... Z". Poor Z, cafites even started a separate message board for him yet Cruyff can't remember his name.
As Cruyff was saying in that video, don't need defensively good defenders or midfielders, just to compress the available space.
As a voter, I can't put my trust in a man who doesn't know his left from his right.
Yeah I enjoy his interviews. He adds a lot of philosophy and it's quite enjoyable.
Yes, the pools defined by the question will make the available sheep more or less obscure and some may all be too good relative to Djemba. But I thought the idea was consistency of approach across sheep quality-wise? In that case clearly the ones I suggested have far more merit than Ando, Kalou, Kuyt or Smicer.
RNG them, sorted.
Ah, just chucked them wingers in there. Actually, no, no mistake they just happen to be switching flanks right now
Yeah all that's up to you guys and Jaybezia.
I was just saying it isn't right to complain about your sheep being worse than someone else's sheep if it is in a different round.
Personally I think Kuyt or Kalou would be more detrimental in voting and you would have a couple of voters just voting against the manager when they see these names rather than names unheard of which they might just assume as being decent and are too lazy to read further on how bad they were.
Also, and @Jaybezia note this as well.
Do not use the RNG at first. As mentioned in the OP the sheep pick should interfere as less as possible with the squad the manager has. So for example if someone has a striker as a first pick, he won't be getting a striker as a sheep pick.
Do not use the RNG at first. As mentioned in the OP the sheep pick should interfere as less as possible with the squad the manager has. So for example if someone has a striker as a first pick, he won't be getting a striker as a sheep pick.
Imagine doing a Sheep draft crossed with our Decades and Nations draft rules.
I bagsy my spot in that one.
I bagsy my spot in that one.
Anto is being a ****. We suggested most of those guys because they are jokes. Like Ando (sadly) is. We should have some jokes - for eg a certain player who scored against Arsenal IMO
It IS right if there are equivalent players available quality-wise.
This whole "because they were rivals they will be detrimental" doesn't fly, let alone when many voters are from other clubs to begin with. The whole "obscure isn't as bad" is bound to be a pain in the arse going forward as well as either it limits your questions or randomly raises/lowers quality so that people know the player at all.
I would suspect the average person following the games will be aware that some teams have sheep and that they are meant to be shit beyond argument. All you have to say is "his RB is crap", no one is going to go research it.
There are six Djemba-Djemba level of shit (some actually better) right there. Picking the likes of Kuyt, who incidentally seemed to score for fun against us, isn't in any way being consistent.
An alternative of course is to throw the entire question link out of the window and make a bag of widely recognisable sheep of a similar standard, e.g. the Fergie duds posted earlier, and just dish them out as and when needed.
No, I'm not being that. I actually took it all quite fine when I was at the receiving end. I suggested Herrera and got told he had won a Copa America and had 50 caps, so he was no sheep. Someone suggested Sheasy and we agreed he wasn't really a sheep. Djemba, Ali Dia, Bramble, all fair cop as far as I am concerned.
The issue is now suddenly everyone seems to ahve changed their mind on what constitutes a sheep. Ando had his days and some still will have a soft spot for him, I wouldn't have him any lower than Sheasy really. It's a PEAK draft after all. Same goes for most of the players bandied about.
I just provided a list of six who quality-wise meet the criteria as we had established it: shit to the point you can't argue any redeeming qualities (or something along those lines, straight from Aldo). You don't want them? You want the Kuyt's, Kalou's, Belletti's? OK, then I upgrade Djemba to Belletti who was also eligible under the last question. Fair?
I'm not making the decision. I'm talking specifically about the players I suggested. I don't know these guys at all - at least I knew Bebe, Heskey etc. That's the way I look at it. Obscure names will probably hurt me LESS than you having Djemba Djemba. I thought the sheeps were supposed to be jokes. Give me an obscure name, I'll hide him. Give me a joke player, and hes the first thing people see.
Your loss.
I fecking love Antohan in these drafts.
Yup. @Brwned put me up on him as the choice. But then with me picking a AM in Rui Costa on R1, I wanted to finish the forward pairing first. So went for Sheva. Moreso as I only see big name defenders being bandied about, I was hoping Koeman would slip through. Sadly not!
I'm fully aware the "obscure" argument runs against. The problem is when to remove obscurity you* are then aiming at significantly better players who are by no means the laughing stocks that Djemba, Bebe or Heskey are.
* (not you specifically)
He was a big name defender himself TBH, it's just that most memories on here don't seem to go as far back as the early 90s.
You should be fine finding one now. As far as I can see it's a free-for-all with a few remarkable exceptions.
Don't think so. 16x4 at the back required and only 4 or 5 defenders have actually been chosen. Most seem to end up on the ban list, which makes picking in future progressively difficult.
@AldoPaine18 can you add the R3 criteria to the OP too? Ta
Say, @antohan, what year do you think was Koeman's best? I have no knowledge of him playing in Holland, but you seem to rate him highly based on his time in La Liga.
Are you rating his defending ability that highly, or is it more of the overall package that he provides to a team?
Are you rating his defending ability that highly, or is it more of the overall package that he provides to a team?
Happy with rush, not our first choice but wanted to avoid a sheep at all cost.
anyone who spends a lot of time here and isn't following this draft is missing out big time.
i think this format is much better for a draft than the snake. i think this is much more challenging as well as removes the element of luck associated with where you are in the drafting sequence, as well as ensures that drafters research more and apply their skill better.
i think this format is much better for a draft than the snake. i think this is much more challenging as well as removes the element of luck associated with where you are in the drafting sequence, as well as ensures that drafters research more and apply their skill better.
I know, right? When I saw some of the guys taken in the first round, I was shocked nobody had the cojones to pick up the two biggest players who fit the criteria. I thought taking Giggs was a huge risk, let alone the midget and shiny head.
i can't believe no one went for Messi in pick 1, as far as a certain baldie
Anto still banging on about it
Let's get something straight first. You were being offered Heskey and you cried out of having him. He is 10 times the player as Djemba so if you are keep going to use a player as a barometer then it has to be Emile.
I don't think Kuyt was that much of a better player than Heskey. You will have people who will argue that Heskey was better.
Anderson I agree on, he should not be a sheep here.
Let's get something straight first. You were being offered Heskey and you cried out of having him. He is 10 times the player as Djemba so if you are keep going to use a player as a barometer then it has to be Emile.
I don't think Kuyt was that much of a better player than Heskey. You will have people who will argue that Heskey was better.
Anderson I agree on, he should not be a sheep here.
I said it before, a sheep should be someone well known for being a bit of a laughing stock or at least someone who people know how limited a player they were.
And the standard of the sheep surely depends on the round? A tough round = a decent sheep. An easy round = a shit sheep.
And the standard of the sheep surely depends on the round? A tough round = a decent sheep. An easy round = a shit sheep.
Yeap. A lot of may take risks in a round like this rather than in previous rounds knowing that standard of sheep will be better. Aldo has clarified that as well. We could have given him Bebe in last right or even Dong.. so it is not just about finding the worst possible player
Anto still banging on about it
Let's get something straight first. You were being offered Heskey and you cried out of having him. He is 10 times the player as Djemba so if you are keep going to use a player as a barometer then it has to be Emile.
I don't think Kuyt was that much of a better player than Heskey. You will have people who will argue that Heskey was better.
Anderson I agree on, he should not be a sheep here.
Aye both of these are spot on IMO
Kuyt is a cracking sheep and will immediately get some laughs when the games get put on. As crappy says he's not much better than Heskey who antohan was offered.
@AldoPaine18 @kps88
Just sent in my pick.
Understand that the draft has not begun yet, but still....How many picks received and how many managers yet to send?
Just sent in my pick.
Understand that the draft has not begun yet, but still....How many picks received and how many managers yet to send?
I think eight have sent so far. Unless Sniper still hasn't added me to his convos.
Can you guys reveal when everyone has sent in their pick? Provided we all agree, no point wasting a day.
this round is going to be another sheep fest but for the opposite reason as the last round!
Yeah if, by some miracle, everyone sends in their picks early and feels 100% on them it would be a waste waiting. Then again the time taken to get everyone's picks and then subsequently everyone's go ahead would also take ages. There's always one or two who aren't around.
I think it was a very clever pick. Most of the other players in those Liverpool teams were 50s born so not many would have bothered to check that.
I agree but Aldo has made it clear that it won't be this way
If you guys think this is slow I wonder how you have reacted had you played that BigSoccer one. They gave us 48 hours for the first pick and 24 hours for the next two.
I really don't mind the current way. Yeah gaps are there but it is suiting the players well wrt time zones, etc. We are basically alternating between a relaxed day and a hectic day.
Reason it is important to give you guys a proper window of 24 hours is that you should finish your research completely and keep players ready for the next two picks if needed, as well. So that we can do those ones as quick as possible.
I really don't mind the current way. Yeah gaps are there but it is suiting the players well wrt time zones, etc. We are basically alternating between a relaxed day and a hectic day.
Reason it is important to give you guys a proper window of 24 hours is that you should finish your research completely and keep players ready for the next two picks if needed, as well. So that we can do those ones as quick as possible.