The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
- Thread starter Moby
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I agree
Re: the sheep. I frankly don't care, I'm never going to play Heskey, let alone pick the right partner for him! It would mean my entire system being defined by the sheep, which is manic.
Veto or no veto, O'Shea would be a fitting pick when my second pick was Lahm and the third Luis Enrique. O'Shea is indeed someone I would plan to play and significantly inferior to anyone picked in that round, even anyone who could be picked this round.
But nope, go ahead, just pick someone to collect splinters.
Veto or no veto, O'Shea would be a fitting pick when my second pick was Lahm and the third Luis Enrique. O'Shea is indeed someone I would plan to play and significantly inferior to anyone picked in that round, even anyone who could be picked this round.
But nope, go ahead, just pick someone to collect splinters.
Are we making this a rule? I think it helps if managerial teams do their own research
I like John O'Shea as a sheep a lot more. You can at least make up for a weakness in defense with strong teammates (a shit striker is basically useless in these drafts) and he's versatile, so there's a good chance, he can use him somewhere, if he ends up with a 2nd sheep along the way.
I'm a bit worried that we see a few 2nd and 3rd attempt picks later that are of similar quality though. Depends on how difficult the upcoming criterias are. Aldo should be able to judge that, if he doesn't believe he's too good a pick for a sheep, then I'd vote for him.
No, you have got the concept of a Sheep pick a bit wrong.
A sheep is supposed to be a proper weakness, a liability and something you cannot defend with any arguments whatsoever. That's the form of punishment. Basically if you get a sheep pick and are forced to field him you will be in trouble. And like others said, it is usually a proper laughing stock even if the player was average not completely shit. So the likes of Heskey would count as good sheep.
Specially in this format, when you have 3 attempts, ending up with a sheep is really criminal. That was the basic flaw in anto's "block others for 2 rounds and get someone who I only rate anyway later" strategy. Because that invites major risk.
As for your point of round 1 sheep being a lot worse than this round, well that makes perfect sense. The bigger the pool, the lesser chance of you getting sheep so the bigger your punishment would be if you get it. As seen, only one sheep was required in that round as it had plenty of players to choose from. Anto was unlucky that Lucho was already picked but as I said, that's the big risk if you drag your pick to the 3rd attempt while you are busy blocking others because most managers would get their players and hence picking someone already picked is a lot more likely in the 3rd round, which is what happened.
Sheasy isn't a sheep at all, and specially on RedCafe.
Also, since it is the first sheep, it is about setting a precedent hence I'm being a bit careful here. Same reason why I wanted to dismiss the likes of Bebe, Dia, etc. While they are a laughing stock alright they hardly qualify as footballers and it would be a bit of a farce having the draft litters with the likes of these.
So basically a sheep would usually be a bit "boring", yes, but that's how it is. Mediocre players known to be painfully mediocre make for decent sheep, imo.
And like Pippa and others have said, if you are careful enough most likely the sheep would be a sub and never feature. It's mentioned in the OP there will be few rounds which allow you to pick multiple players.
However, those who end up with a good amount of sheep, even if not in starting 11, will suffer later. Just be careful with that approach.
However, those who end up with a good amount of sheep, even if not in starting 11, will suffer later. Just be careful with that approach.
What do you mean by that? Of course managers/their AMs shouldn't be PM ing each other.
Agreed. This can ruin this whole draft
Nah man, not Sheasy. C'mon.
If you don't want Heskey you or others can come up with other names, we have all day.
Aldo, fun as discussing sheep is, I think the sheep picker needs nominating in each round. As I said even before I got mine, in the third round you usually pick and already picked player and whoever got your man should be assigned the task. The rest can suggest options, but someone has to be nominated to decide (Cutch in this case).
I'd be happy with Djemba Djemba, I could do with a midfielder just in case
Will also work with my hairdo theme as I always pictured them as Siamese twins. That's unique.
I'd be happy with Djemba Djemba, I could do with a midfielder just in case
Will also work with my hairdo theme as I always pictured them as Siamese twins. That's unique.
Aldo, fun as discussing sheep is, I think the sheep picker needs nominating in each round. As I said even before I got mine, in the third round you usually pick and already picked player and whoever got your man should be assigned the task. The rest can suggest options, but someone has to be nominated to decide (Cutch in this case).
I'd be happy with Djemba Djemba, I could do with a midfielder just in case
Usually in this format the mod makes the final call, and I am following the same thing. It makes sense as well, as I am completely neutral. What if the appointed person gives you a right back when you already have one, or something? Or someone not bad enough to be a sheep? Just to keep it all clean I'm making the final call.
However I will not come up with any names unless absolutely necessary. It would be out of the names taken by you guys.
Also, Djemba x2 is fine by me.
Yes that's the global timeline. Each and every player involved in this draft would fall under it no matter what the individual round criteria is.
I'm so fecked off with myself, not the sheep per se but someone I briefly considered and discarded who is now bound to get banned in this round. Makes my blood boil, some players belong on the pitch and this is the sort of draft which should result in non-superstar teams where they would be truly appreciated.
Different from what people seem to think, I'm not keen on blocking and banning players except for about 10 max who really tip the balance in a game almost unfairly. Should Lahm be banned from this? Nope. Should Davids and Lucho be banned from this? Nope. There are two guys tonight I bloody well hope get blocked and banned, not the rest really.
Different from what people seem to think, I'm not keen on blocking and banning players except for about 10 max who really tip the balance in a game almost unfairly. Should Lahm be banned from this? Nope. Should Davids and Lucho be banned from this? Nope. There are two guys tonight I bloody well hope get blocked and banned, not the rest really.
If it's a stupid pick you can overrule it. Anyhow, yeah, if you'd rather do it like this fair enough.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying that anyone would be deliberately unfair or anything, just being cautious here. After all, sheep pick is highly subjective and all including me have their own definition so there's bound to be disagreement which is why I think having one guy constantly making the final call is a good way to go forward.
If you want to include an outsider to do that, that would work as well. In fact @Jaybezia just offered to take the job of deciding the sheep picks, just in case you guys want a non involved entity to decide.
I will still reserve the final right to overrule it. :P But of course only when it's really obvious.
You have a point re: consistency of approach. Funny side story, from what I gather this was run in RAWK and someone picked as a much derided sheep then turned out to be a transfer target of theirs a couple of months later.
God, I shouldn't laugh, that could be us in a couple of months. Osman anyone?
God, I shouldn't laugh, that could be us in a couple of months. Osman anyone?
Agree with Aldo. It needs to be one fixed person. Otherwise you'll get a situation where you're relying on the picker's interpretation of the rule. I think it's fine letting Aldo decide.
You have a point re: consistency of approach. Funny side story, from what I gather this was run in RAWK and someone picked as a much derided sheep then turned out to be a transfer target of theirs a couple of months later.
God, I shouldn't laugh, that could be us in a couple of months. Osman anyone?
That was a right laugh. That guy even edited that player's wiki with a lot of pisstake comments. It was actually hilarious, he had teamed up with someone and while he was away his AM picked this sheep type player and Kenny Dalglish went unpicked. That completely wrecked that guy when he was back and he went on a rampage against that rubbish (who now almost joined them) player. BTW, yeah, if Jaybezia wants to be involved why not? It seems like we could have run this with 32 managers at this rate.
Yeah, that's right, he wasn't a sheep, more a retard AM turning up at the 11th hour and overruling the manager's call on Dalglish
He was the laughing stock of the entire draft... then the latest RAWK hardon You couldn't make it up.I don't mind guys, whatever is easiest for you and keeps it fair.
Yeah I don't mind at all if Jaybezia gets to do it.
I vote @Jaybezia, if only to ensure he gives me Eric Djemba Djemba.
I agree, sounds good to me.
Agree with this. There is way too much interaction between managers as it is in the regular draft nevermind something like this one.
Edit: And Djembax2 is fine with me.
Jaybezia shall decide sheep picks for every round from now on.
The round officially starts now.
Round 2 Criteria :
Pick a player who has scored in a Champions League final or the European Cup (CL before 92) final. Penalty shoot outs count.
You have to submit a link of the final in which he scored.
Reminder 1 : All players must be born after 30 October 1960.
Reminder 2 : You must have a goalkeeper by Round 9.
Deadline : 1200 UK time, 12 Feb.
Round 2 Criteria :
Pick a player who has scored in a Champions League final or the European Cup (CL before 92) final. Penalty shoot outs count.
You have to submit a link of the final in which he scored.
Reminder 1 : All players must be born after 30 October 1960.
Reminder 2 : You must have a goalkeeper by Round 9.
Deadline : 1200 UK time, 12 Feb.
What?
THE REVISED DEADLINE RULES
For every round :
1. Pick 1 will span 24 hours.
You can change your pick anytime till the last minute of the deadline.
2. Pick 2 and 3 will span 12 hours.
You CAN NOT change your pick once you have sent the PM, so be absolutely careful. Hence, in both pick 2 and 3 of every round as soon as everyone has submitted his pick, the results will be revealed. If you are not sure about the pick, don't send early, in case you want to observe discussions or whatever, but once I get the PM it is set in stone for me.
This way we will potentially save 1 day in every round compared to previous rules which is a huge improvement. What we did yesterday is the perfect example of what these rules would apply.
Also,
A new criteria will always start (that is Pick 1) around noon and not at night.
Happy that we picked up Hagi, quality player.
We looked at most of the names on that list too. Some awesome picks there!
I particularly like Laudrup, Thuram, Stam and Vieira... great shouts.
We looked at most of the names on that list too. Some awesome picks there!
I particularly like Laudrup, Thuram, Stam and Vieira... great shouts.
I picked ages ago. DM, CB, whatever you want to call him.
Just for clarity for the likes of Edgar. Even if the second attempt is revealed early the deadline for the third attempt remains noon the next day, unless all picks are in before that.
Right?
Yeah.
I don't agree with this at all. Not fine by me. Giving a single poster the power to do it
I don't have any issues with Djemba x2 either
It's same as before just that he's making the final call instead of me.
You guys can still veto anyone. And the suggestions would come from within the managers only.
Once there's a list of players no one wants to veto, Jaybezia would just choose the one he seems most fit.
As for anto, his pick is Djemba x2 as of now unless something changes by noon tomorrow.
Heskey.. bebe.. Both better shouts than the djemba twins. I'm ok with it through