SEMI FINAL DRAW
That's fantastic, great job.
Cafu should be in for Suarez though
The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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That's fantastic, great job.
Cafu should be in for Suarez though
When are the matches scheduled?
Nice draw, at first I was really surprised Laudrup wasn't chosen, but with Zidane, Rui/Baggio, Rivaldo & Totti it's just not the first position to upgrade for any team who made it to the semis. Great picks though all round, EAP I would've picked a CM if I were you, Effenberg for the diamond could've been brilliant.
Love the graphics Aldo. Superb!
That midfield is almost perfect in its balance, so that was a must. Really happy with it.
Then it's a matter of picking Suarez or Savicevic to play alongside the other two.
Looking forward to the semi final.
Thought EAP might have picked Thuram. Maldini-Sammer-Thuram for the 3 at the back would have been unreal
Cambiasso what? They are both alright, I just don't think they are the calibre needed at this stage. I'd agree you probably need Sammer further back though but then I would have picked another midfielder instead of Desailly. You certainly don't really need him in defence, not more than you need a stronger midfield. It has been your weakest/most questionable spot from the start.
Just taking the piss
Agreed that midfield was the obvious area for improvement but Effenberg, Cocu or Dunga wasn't really doing anything for us. Might as well get a dedicated DM in to give Ballack more licence to go forward to let him be the top class midfielder he is. And Sammer is as the very least at the same level as the other three. Promote from within via the addition of a DM rather than taking two very good but not great CM's. Desailly was the only one for that role. The only other option was Gullit in a deeper role in a very attacking midfield three but I don't think
The next decision was to upgrade Branco with Brehme or focus on adding to the strongest aspect of the team and add the best goalscorer in the draft. Brehme-Desailly just didn'tsit right. Now surely that will mean no-one can siggest there's a flaw or mismatch in that front three wirh Baggio having the freedom (and responsibility) tp drift while Romario hangs around those central areas and Rui Costa knits together in midfield. Lethal combination.
It would have genuinely been too good. No attack in this draft needs those three to contain them. It'd be a complete waste against Gio's attack IMO. Better to have Desailly as the one looking after Rivaldo while Sammer can contribute in all aspects of the game instead of sacrificing his influence to look after Gio's star player. Particularly when Desailly is going to do the better job of it anyway.
Firstly, there were not many quality CM's that we could have gone for. As Brwned mentions, Effenberg, Cocu etc are on par with Sammer in the middle. Secondly, we also wanted a flexible player to operate in midfield and back 3 if we ended up facing a false 9 in Totti. The only option we had to acheive both was to promote upfield Sammer and fill up his space with Desailly.
That's fantastic, great job.
Cafu should be in for Suarez though
Thanks guys.
And we can start tomorrow if everyone is ready.
Polaroid vs Thisistheone - Thursday, 13 March
Edgar Allan Pillow vs Gio - Friday, 14 March
Tell me if this is okay or changes need to be made. @Polaroid @Thisistheone @Edgar Allan Pillow @Gio
Fine with me
Friday nights is for drinks and debauchery, not for drafts and discussions, imo and I'm planning a weekend trip.
Can we have it Monday night please? Tonight is OK by me too!
Those pictures take this to a new level Aldo. Nice!
Can we have it Monday night please? Tonight is OK by me too!
Those pictures take this to a new level Aldo. Nice!
We can start it today if @Gio can send his team in a couple of hours or so.
Monday is St. Patrick's day so all I will be able to offer is drunken gibberish.
I haven't got any time really until tomorrow. Any time from tomorrow is fine.
Are you ok with playing tomorrow, @Edgar Allan Pillow ?
Is it easier then if me and pol play today? Depends on pol of course but i should be fine apart from a few hours later on tonight.
Yeah well the other game won't be going up today so you two can go ahead if @Polaroid is okay and can send his team within a couple of hours.
Oh, so you are playing the way I said, with Desailly at DM and Ballack-Sammer in midfield. That's exactly what I thought you should be doing! This all came up because EAP was bigging up Alonso and Cambiasso so it sounded like you had done something weird like replacing Sanchís with Desailly, Sammer libero and still having no credible unit in the middle.
So Desailly is in defence now? Branco is fine, of course you should have taken Romario if available, no brainer. Shevchenko wouldn't have taken you past the next game, he is one of many who are gods elsewhere, but made mortal by their stint in the EPL.
What were you yapping on about then last night with Cambiasso being more decorated than di Stéfano and Xabi being only second to Pirlo? Of course Sammer is absolutely fine.
I notice a distinct lack of Schweinsteiger in these comments. Clearly rate him very differently since I think he would suit a diamond far better than Effenberg. Mind, I'm still not loving Ballack in a diamond but, as I said, Branco is very much a left midfielder who could defend so I'm not too fussed really.
If you were to pick Effenberg over Desailly and play a diamond of:---------Sammer--------
---Effenberg----Ballack
-------Baggio/Costa
--Sheva/Baggio--Romario---
That would've been incredible, and thats a guaranteed vote from @Balu
---------Sammer--------
---Effenberg----Ballack
-------Baggio/Costa
--Sheva/Baggio--Romario---
That would've been incredible, and thats a guaranteed vote from @Balu
It's probably better than the other, but they are right in thinking Desailly will get more kudos than Effenberg.
It also seems to me Desailly is destined to end up in defence, replaced by Fernando Redondo. No? Effenberg simply doesn't give you any option other than an Effenberg-Ballack midfield.
Great work Aldo
Fantastic matchup with TITO who has an absolutely class side
Unfortunately I am not available to play today, would tomorrow be fine? thanks
Fantastic matchup with TITO who has an absolutely class side
Unfortunately I am not available to play today, would tomorrow be fine? thanks
Nope, exactly as you said above. And as you say Desailly's versatility and suitability for other roles at a later stage put him a level above Effenberg/Schweinsteiger. I do agree that Cambiasso and Alonso just aren't up to it at this stage. Well, I think Cambiasso is fine as one of the grafters in the midfield that adds balance to the side but he's redundant here. I don't think there's a massive difference between him and Simeone myself.
I'd not really considered that about Shevchenko. I thought he was a fairly popular member of the team and the Ballon d'Or gave him more than enough credibility to ignore the PL performances. He was incredibly ordinary in the PL though. He just had to be taken out because he wasn't really being used to his fullest alongside Baggio and it needed to be clear that Baggio was free to run the attack in the final third while Rui Costa is doing the playmaking from deep. Romario's specialist role and expertise in the box was exactly what was needed.
I can do tomorrow no problem. If not then, Monday is fine and EAP can handle the matchday thread himself - no issues there at all.
Don't mind having 2 matches and avoid a weekend of delay...
Yeah Desailly is higher rated, but I think Effenberg and Ballack in a diamond with Sammer is as good as midfield as it comes, add to that either of Rui Costa or Roberto Baggio up top and that's just yummy.
Thursday or Friday is good with me.
Aye, cracking match-up Pol. Your side is fantastic. No idea which way this one will go.
Aye, cracking match-up Pol. Your side is fantastic. No idea which way this one will go.
Yeah I think that's a better idea than waiting till next week.
If Pol is okay with Friday then yours tomorrow and Pol-TITO on Friday else we'll have both tomorrow.
You are overrating the love that German pair would get on here. I've had Effenberg before, and Schweini twice now, and Simeone... I'd say they are all rated about level. Now, if Cambiasso is about level with Simeone... I don't think he is, but there's 4-5 midfielders who get one treatment and then there's "everyone else", who are just squad players as far as drafting is concered.
Well Shevchenko imo is brilliant and very underrated in the caf, people seem to remember his Chelski days too much to forget his Milan days
He is brilliant, that's why I picked him... But definitely won't get the same reception as Baggio and Romario. Similarly Rui Costa is a brilliant player, but not in same treatment level as Laudrup. It's all relative to your and opponent team.
My first choice was Nedved and when he got taken was alternating between Effenberg and Modric... But they neither have the same treatment as Desailly and Sammer nor the versatility to switch formation without making a change.
Btw... @VivaJanuzaj I still think if you picked Makelele instead of Effenberg, you might be playing instead of me.
Rui Costa AND Shevchenko get a lot more kudos though... Shevchenko's saving grace is his Ballon d'Or, it creates dissonance, "he can't be so shit and get the Ballon d'Or". But still, I can't think of any player who came to England at the tail-end of their career who doesn't get downgraded as a result. With all others people will just have that romantic view of them at their peaks. When they were shite they no longer played in Europe, certainly not as instrumental a role for a big side. Thus people never saw them being shite.
Btw... @VivaJanuzaj I still think if you picked Makelele instead of Effenberg, you might be playing instead of me.
Probably the only guy who came over and everyone could appreciate what the big deal was. In fact, him leaving Real probably showed his worth more than him being there.
I'm not overly keen though, not in the setup Viva had. He would have been home and dry with a midfeld three though, Modric was clearly missing.
I agree with Anto, I think I should've started a 4-3-2-1(or Christmas tree if you want)Btw... @VivaJanuzaj I still think if you picked Makelele instead of Effenberg, you might be playing instead of me.
-------------------INCE-------------
--------EFFENBERG--MODRIC-------
----LAUDRUP--------------NEDVED
------------------CRESPO-----------
I would've loved to have this team if I beat Polaroid
Raúl - Ruud
Zidane
Vieira - Sousa - Gullit
Irwin - Desailly - Silva - Cafu
Pagliuca
Zidane
Vieira - Sousa - Gullit
Irwin - Desailly - Silva - Cafu
Pagliuca
I'd just say this again, you can have Maradona, Pele, Cruyff and Di Stefano in attack but you will never go far in a draft here with John "full kit w*nker" Terry in your team.