ooooh I thought you might go for Zizou.. @Gio..
The First Redcafe Sheep Draft
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He needed a ball player at the back so not that big of a surprise..
The minimum prices will be very very low on the picks that are certain to be picked. The issue is that if you have Materazzi valued at 0 or 1 million, then it is WAY too easy to pick Maradona for 95% of your budget and still get a great team.
So therefore the minimum values are there to avoid this cheat.
Surplus to requirements to be honest, for all his elegance.
He is a clear upgrade over Hagi as good as latter may be but I get your point. You definitely had to replace Vieri. And correcting one weakness at the back is more correct approach
Yes I agree. In the example I gave if Maradona has a minimum price of 25 something, then I would have Materazzi at minimum of 10.
We can have pools or pots. Like Pot A, Pot B, etc with different tiers of players roughly decided by the organizer.
I was expecting Gio to go for Romario and Maldini.
That is the exact idea! I should also mention that the reinforcement rounds will also be of the auction type and any saved money in the first round will go to your war-chest for the next reinforcement.
So whoever saves the most money, will be certain to pick someone like Maradona the next round as others can't beat his top bid.
Of course there may be no benefit in overpaying for Maradona when you could possibly get the likes of Matthäus and Gullit for the same price.
Delighted we got himCan't forget this guy,
For the reinforcement round I would add this caveat -
- One should be able to sell one player from his team to get another. Selling price would only be the minimum value one though. I say this because I doubt any times that go through will have much money left and it could leave future rounds redundant. Or worse if one team goes through with a lot more money compared to others, he can just clean up and that will be that. Ideally you would want to reward such a team but there has to be a balance as to now make a draft foregone conclusions at that stage itself
Every team will be given money for winning. Quite a substantial bit, (50 m has been discussed with 300 m being the entire team budget). Meaning you are certain to pick up upgrades, and nobody will have 50 m left or anything near it after the draft is over.
Even if they do, they won't benefit much. They'd basically just get the player they could have got the previous round anyhow.
@Annahnomoss
I think a good idea would be to have the auction draft, with a birthday limit, and special critieria for each round. Like the type of criteria that will require you to research more. I was looking at a draft from BiSoccer, this was one of the criteria they had:
The more unpredictable, the better, I'd say in terms of drafting overall. And IMO the less further back we go, the better debates we will see. When it comes to much older footballers, it tends to get rated through awards and quotes (reputation) rather than ability. But it's your draft, so you decide.
I think a good idea would be to have the auction draft, with a birthday limit, and special critieria for each round. Like the type of criteria that will require you to research more. I was looking at a draft from BiSoccer, this was one of the criteria they had:
The more unpredictable, the better, I'd say in terms of drafting overall. And IMO the less further back we go, the better debates we will see. When it comes to much older footballers, it tends to get rated through awards and quotes (reputation) rather than ability. But it's your draft, so you decide.
Also I got this PM from a BigSoccer poster who recently joined and is in the Newbie section right now.
I have no clue if it is possible, if it has been done before, what/how the problems of it would be solved. So if someone with more knowledge than me on the subject could make a post that would be great.
I have no clue if it is possible, if it has been done before, what/how the problems of it would be solved. So if someone with more knowledge than me on the subject could make a post that would be great.
I'm playing that one. That round is a fecking nightmare!
@Pippa Our auction draft will be almost the exact opposite of that draft - which got really bad reviews on here from the people who read up on it.
So the main part about this draft will be the idea of trying to minimize the importance of luck. If someone has Maradona you can't in any way feel it was unfair - you could have simply bid 5 m more and had him yourself OR pushed the bid up to such an extent that you "mindgamed" the opponent.
The "feck I ended up number X and that sucks/Someone picked my player just before me/I don't need these players in the reinforcement round and now I got to pick bench-warmers while others picks top tier players" will be gone.
So the main part about this draft will be the idea of trying to minimize the importance of luck. If someone has Maradona you can't in any way feel it was unfair - you could have simply bid 5 m more and had him yourself OR pushed the bid up to such an extent that you "mindgamed" the opponent.
The "feck I ended up number X and that sucks/Someone picked my player just before me/I don't need these players in the reinforcement round and now I got to pick bench-warmers while others picks top tier players" will be gone.
I participated through newbies in the cricket one. The responsibility will be on you, the organizer, to copy all his posts here. More than that he won't be able to argue much in the game which makes it a bit drab.
I don't see an issue in it overall, up to the organizer to decide.
Alright. If other managers are okay with it, I think he could just PM his posts to anybody who is online and they'd copy them in the thread.
Polaroid is the main admin of the draft though so he has the VETO vote.
Polaroid is the main admin of the draft though so he has the VETO vote.
I think it is best if he teams up with a main's poster. Pippa and I managed well in the WC one. I was still sort of new to drafts then so it helped me a lot. Might be a good idea to pair him with a relation newb in terms of draft
I'm all for the open bidding method, but I like the difficult criteria...ones that actually require you to think.
I think Pippa is talking about a different one now? Including criteria wasn't the problem, the blind auction was in the one I thought was stupid.
Yep the one he posted is from the sheep draft going on now.
I can promise you that you will ponder a lot in this one. If anything the negative of this draft is the huge ongoing mind-games.
You pick Maradona then make a low bid on a Napoli team mate of his. Someone else wants to push the value up on the team mate as he is too cheap and fears you will end up with a too good team - so he out-bids you.
You can then stop bidding completely, making someone waste a pick - or if the other bidder has the upper hand in the mind-game - you accept that you want the player a lot and you make a higher bid.
Outbidding people will be something you don't do the first day, you'll make plenty of first-bids before you get a good feeling on your team.
EDIT: Balu/Aldo my bad then! Fortunately the points of the posts still stands in regards to luck.
Auctions are always fun one way or another.
Sounds great, then
It's the sheep draft that is criteria based, not the auction. Annah and Pol wanted to trial auctions, let's do that and not overcomplicate it by trying to build in random stuff. If you like complex criteria and random assortments of rules then you'll get that from me, no worries
BTW, Annah, I reckon Serie A since 1980 would be awesome. Serie A was done in the newbs before but never in the mains. As someone mentioned, it has stacks of greats as well. I wouldn't make it all-time Serie A, lots of randomers will start coming off the woodwork whose valuation will really be a toss-up. Keep it simple and let the new concept (auctioning) be the main factor.
Personally I wouldn't have it after the Liverpool game as the forum would be busy with post game celebration/moaning etc. Monday should be good.
Sunday won't work. The caf will collapse, even if we get something out of it and people won't be happy at all. And quite rightly: "just played Liverpool and these spackers keep bumping their fantasy game thread
".Surprised Gio didn't take Maldini. Not only the better option but letting Tito get him when Pessotto was the most clear player in need of an upgrade... You know, like how Tito picked Redondo so that he didn't have to play him 
Quality additions from TITO. I make him favourite.
I don't really care, prefer not to do a "seria A theme" because I've done it before...
It's the sheep draft that is criteria based, not the auction. Annah and Pol wanted to trial auctions, let's do that and not overcomplicate it by trying to build in random stuff. If you like complex criteria and random assortments of rules then you'll get that from me, no worries
BTW, Annah, I reckon Serie A since 1980 would be awesome. Serie A was done in the newbs before but never in the mains. As someone mentioned, it has stacks of greats as well. I wouldn't make it all-time Serie A, lots of randomers will start coming off the woodwork whose valuation will really be a toss-up. Keep it simple and let the new concept (auctioning) be the main factor.
The Serie A idea seems very popular indeed.
Yeah post 1980 Serie A sounds great.It's the sheep draft that is criteria based, not the auction. Annah and Pol wanted to trial auctions, let's do that and not overcomplicate it by trying to build in random stuff. If you like complex criteria and random assortments of rules then you'll get that from me, no worries
BTW, Annah, I reckon Serie A since 1980 would be awesome. Serie A was done in the newbs before but never in the mains. As someone mentioned, it has stacks of greats as well. I wouldn't make it all-time Serie A, lots of randomers will start coming off the woodwork whose valuation will really be a toss-up. Keep it simple and let the new concept (auctioning) be the main factor.
Sunday won't work. The caf will collapse, even if we get something out of it and people won't be happy at all. And quite rightly: "just played Liverpool and these spackers keep bumping their fantasy game thread
Ha! Yeah of course.
Monday then, if Gio is ok with that.
Played one in the newbies and it was brilliant. That was 90s only though.
1980 onwards sounds good for this auction draft.
Yeah grand.